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  • plankysmom
    Plankton had three seizures in half an hour today. We took him to vet where he had three more. He is stable, heart beat good, respirations good, lungs clear,
    Message 1 of 12 , Jul 22 4:55 PM
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      Plankton had three seizures in half an hour today. We took him to vet where he had three more. He is stable, heart beat good, respirations good, lungs clear, fine between seizures, seizures last about twenty to thirty seconds. Is this the end? Vet has no idea why this is happening.
    • Suzianne Painter-Thorne
      I have a dog, Oliver, who was diagnosed with idiopathic epilepsy about 5 years ago. Most general vets don t necessarily have a lot of experience with
      Message 2 of 12 , Jul 22 5:19 PM
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        I have a dog, Oliver, who was diagnosed with idiopathic epilepsy about 5
        years ago. Most general vets don't necessarily have a lot of experience
        with seizures--esp in cats--so your best bet is to see a neurologist or to
        have your cat's regular or cardio vet consult with one (if you're
        relatively near a vet school, you might start there).

        Lots of things can cause seizures. I don't know if that is related to your
        cat's heart disease. And I don't think anyone here can you whether this is
        the end. Causes vary from infection, toxin exposure, tumors, and epilepsy
        (which is a seizure disorder of no identifiable cause, so it is diagnosed
        by ruling everything else out). There's information here:
        http://www.canine-epilepsy.com/felineepi.html that you might find useful.

        I hope this helps and that your kitty recovers well,

        Sue & Boo

        On 7/22/13 7:55 PM, "plankysmom" <jjehlar@...> wrote:

        >Plankton had three seizures in half an hour today. We took him to vet
        >where he had three more. He is stable, heart beat good, respirations
        >good, lungs clear, fine between seizures, seizures last about twenty to
        >thirty seconds. Is this the end? Vet has no idea why this is happening.
      • Westgold
        Oh, dear, brings back horrible memories of my soul-kitty. Pooh was just fine, no heart disease. On Mother s day 9 years ago he suddenly started seizing. He
        Message 3 of 12 , Jul 22 5:27 PM
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          Oh, dear, brings back horrible memories of my soul-kitty. Pooh was just fine, no heart disease. On Mother's day 9 years ago he suddenly started seizing. He was 16 1/2. Rushed him to the ER. In that 30 minutes or so he had several 30-second seizures, I could hear him thrashing around in the carrier in the back seat, it broke my heart. They were able to stop the seizures, but he had overheated horribly which almost shut down his kidneys. We transferred him to a critical care veterinary clinic, and he stayed 10 days. Expert care and $6000 brought him around, and I was able to take him home. I had to give him some different meds, and also give him fluids twice a day to help clear his kidneys. He made a remarkable recovery actually, his kidney values returned to normal, and he never had another seizure. (He did however have these episodes where he seemed to like freeze, just staring off into space. As soon as I touched him or called his name, he snapped out of it.) He was not his same old self, but he seemed okay. Well he was drugged with anti-seizure meds. He spent most of his time next to my pillow on the bed, and I gave him his meds and fed him there, etc. He did come down sometimes, to use the box and go into the livingroom. But they were sure the seizures were caused by a brain tumor. I didn't put him through the tests. After about 3 1/2 months, one night he left the bed and went into the living room and didn't come back to sleep with me. I went and got him, but he left immediately. The next morning he was in a corner of the living room and just looked like hell. We went to our regular vet who said he'd probably had a stroke because of the brain tumor, and I helped him move up to heaven immediately. It was the hardest thing I ever had to do, I have never loved anyone as much as I loved him. I still cry for him regularly, I still miss him so much.

          I was told that when older kitties seizure, it is almost always a brain tumor. You can probably have a better outcome than Pooh had, because your kitty is in much better shape after the seizures. He should be on anti-seizure meds. Does he have heart disease? How old is he?
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          Plankton had three seizures in half an hour today. We took him to vet where he had three more. He is stable, heart beat good, respirations good, lungs clear, fine between seizures, seizures last about twenty to thirty seconds. Is this the end? Vet has no idea why this is happening.





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        • Suzianne Painter-Thorne
          Plankys mom, Please know that not every cat with seizures have or will have this experience. And that it does not define the experience your cat will have. I
          Message 4 of 12 , Jul 22 5:33 PM
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            Plankys mom,

            Please know that not every cat with seizures have or will have this
            experience. And that it does not define the experience your cat will have.
            I had a cat who had seizures. He never went on meds. The seizures resolved
            on their own. He lived to be 17.

            And the tests aren't awful. They take blood (which you've already done).
            They do a chest X-ray. If necessary, they sedate your cat for a spinal tap
            and an MRI. My dog went through these tests fine. I would do them again in
            a second if I thought it would give me information needed to provide care.

            Sue & Boo

            On 7/22/13 8:27 PM, "Westgold" <westgold@...> wrote:

            >Oh, dear, brings back horrible memories of my soul-kitty. Pooh was just
            >fine, no heart disease. On Mother's day 9 years ago he suddenly started
            >seizing. He was 16 1/2. Rushed him to the ER. In that 30 minutes or so
            >he had several 30-second seizures, I could hear him thrashing around in
            >the carrier in the back seat, it broke my heart. They were able to stop
            >the seizures, but he had overheated horribly which almost shut down his
            >kidneys. We transferred him to a critical care veterinary clinic, and he
            >stayed 10 days. Expert care and $6000 brought him around, and I was able
            >to take him home. I had to give him some different meds, and also give
            >him fluids twice a day to help clear his kidneys. He made a remarkable
            >recovery actually, his kidney values returned to normal, and he never had
            >another seizure. (He did however have these episodes where he seemed to
            >like freeze, just staring off into space. As soon as I touched him or
            >called his name, he snapped out of it.) He was not his same old self,
            >but he seemed okay. Well he was drugged with anti-seizure meds. He spent
            >most of his time next to my pillow on the bed, and I gave him his meds
            >and fed him there, etc. He did come down sometimes, to use the box and
            >go into the livingroom. But they were sure the seizures were caused by a
            >brain tumor. I didn't put him through the tests. After about 3 1/2
            >months, one night he left the bed and went into the living room and
            >didn't come back to sleep with me. I went and got him, but he left
            >immediately. The next morning he was in a corner of the living room and
            >just looked like hell. We went to our regular vet who said he'd probably
            >had a stroke because of the brain tumor, and I helped him move up to
            >heaven immediately. It was the hardest thing I ever had to do, I have
            >never loved anyone as much as I loved him. I still cry for him regularly,
            >I still miss him so much.
            >
            >I was told that when older kitties seizure, it is almost always a brain
            >tumor. You can probably have a better outcome than Pooh had, because
            >your kitty is in much better shape after the seizures. He should be on
            >anti-seizure meds. Does he have heart disease? How old is he?
          • Carol
            Is Plankton on any kind of thyroid meds (Methimazole/Tapazole) and the appetite stimulant Mirtazapine? When you give Mirtazapine with thyroid meds, it can
            Message 5 of 12 , Jul 22 6:36 PM
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              Is Plankton on any kind of thyroid meds (Methimazole/Tapazole) and the appetite stimulant Mirtazapine? When you give Mirtazapine with thyroid meds, it can cause seizures, because the thyroid meds inhibit the enzyme necessary to clear the Mirtazapine out of the liver. The Mirtazapine continues to accumulate in the liver causing toxicity and seizures.


              Does Plankton have any kidney failure issues? Kidney failure causes uremic toxicity and seizures.

              Other things that can cause seizures are brain related (tumors, strokes, etc).

              If Plankton doesn't have any of these things, it would be worth doing a chem panel to see what his liver values are to see if the liver has any toxicity. Liver toxicity can cause seizures.

              Carol












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              From: plankysmom <jjehlar@...>
              To: feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Mon, Jul 22, 2013 4:55 pm
              Subject: [FH] Help seizure experience anyone?






              Plankton had three seizures in half an hour today. We took him to vet where he had three more. He is stable, heart beat good, respirations good, lungs clear, fine between seizures, seizures last about twenty to thirty seconds. Is this the end? Vet has no idea why this is happening.




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            • elfinmyst
              Hi Josh had a seizure several years ago, it was horrible and he was 13 then. We rushed him to the vets and by then he was back to normal. He hasn t had one
              Message 6 of 12 , Jul 23 3:16 AM
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                Hi
                Josh had a seizure several years ago, it was horrible and he was 13 then.
                We rushed him to the vets and by then he was back to normal. He hasn't had
                one since and there was no known reason for it. Anti epileptic drugs may
                help but Josh only had the one that day and nothing since.

                Lyn

                _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)

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              • June Jeffrey
                Hello Plankysmom,   I m so sorry Plankton is going through this.  I just wanted to let you know that in my experience and in answer to your question, no, it
                Message 7 of 12 , Jul 23 7:33 AM
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                  Hello Plankysmom,
                   
                  I'm so sorry Plankton is going through this.  I just wanted to let you know that in my experience and in answer to your question, no, it is not necessarily the end.  I know how frightening it is watching your kitty have a seizure, especially the first time, but there is help and treatment available. 
                   
                  My Daisy started having seizures in August 2011 when she was 18.  As they were clustering (three in around five hours) I took her to the vet who did a blood test.  The results received the next day gave no indication of any cause so epilepsy was diagnosed.  I chose not to put her through a spinal tap and MRI (with vet's agreement) but having done some research and finding out that seizures in cats can be treated with phenobarbital, I asked for this treatment and my vet agreed.
                   
                  I was prescribed liquid pheno - Ephiphen solution 4% w/v oral drops - and Daisy initially had 0.1ml x 2 daily which brought the seizures under control within a week.  She stayed on this dose until last November when it was increased to 0.1.2.5ml x 2 daily after a blood test showed the serum phenol levels at less than the therapeutic value for cats.  She had a breakthrough seizure in November before the pheno was increased.  Three weeks ago she had a series of cluster seizures over 36 hours, each one progressively shorter.  These stopped after increasing the phenol dose to 0.1.5ml x 2 daily.
                   
                  Heart disease can be associated with seizures - you may find this article of interest/use: http://www.veterinary-neurologist.co.uk/docs/epilepsy_diagnosis.pdf

                  As Daisy also has early stage cronic renal failure (CRF) I also belong to the CRF group.  Seizures can be CRF related so I went to Tanyas CRF website for information.  There is lots available there and I've attached two links below which I hope will be useful to you.  The second link in particular has loads of information, including on different types of seizure.  The information was certainly a godsend to me. 

                  http://www.felinecrf.org/symptoms.htm#seizures_potassium

                  http://www.harpsie.com/epilepsy.htm#what_happens_seizure

                  Many vets do not have much experience of dealing with seizures in cats, so my advice would be to get as much information as you can to enable you to discuss all treatment options which are available.

                  The is also an excellent yahoo feline epilepsy group which I would strongly recommend you join for more help, information and support - http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/epi-felines/

                  I do hope this helps.  Please keep us updated and give Plankton a cuddle from me.

                  Will be keeping you and Plankton in my thoughts.

                  Best wishes,

                  June, Freddie and Daisy and Angels Felix, Smudge and Fleur





                   
                   


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                  From: plankysmom <jjehlar@...>
                  To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 0:55
                  Subject: [FH] Help seizure experience anyone?

                   

                  Plankton had three seizures in half an hour today. We took him to vet where he had three more. He is stable, heart beat good, respirations good, lungs clear, fine between seizures, seizures last about twenty to thirty seconds. Is this the end? Vet has no idea why this is happening.



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                • Lisa
                  Your vet should have done blood work to rule out metabolic causes (liver, kidneys). If it s not metabolic, it s neurologic which is trickier to diagnose. Our
                  Message 8 of 12 , Jul 23 7:37 AM
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                    Your vet should have done blood work to rule out metabolic causes (liver,
                    kidneys). If it's not metabolic, it's neurologic which is trickier to
                    diagnose. Our Thundercat had seizures, and through the process of
                    elimination it was decided the most likely culprit was a brain tumor. He
                    lived four years with it, before finally succumbing ... to old age.

                    Three seizures in a half an hour would send most vets running for
                    phenobarbital because clusters like that are associated with status
                    epilepticus, which is potentially life threatening. Our vet here is a cat
                    specialist (they only treat cats) but epilepsy in cats isn't all that
                    different than epilepsy in any other animal.

                    If your vet truly had "no idea" what might be causing this then I would
                    take Plankton to another vet. If it's metabolic it needs to be treated.
                    If it's neurologic, treatment options are limited but there are meds to
                    control the seizures. The good news is that as dramatic as seizures are,
                    the cat doesn't remember them and they're not painful, per se.

                    Lisa


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                  • marianna.mayer
                    I agree, Lisa. But a cluster or even a single grand mal can raise the BP alarmingly high, causing a potential stroke regardless of the root cause. That stroke,
                    Message 9 of 12 , Jul 23 8:03 AM
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                      I agree, Lisa.
                      But a cluster or even a single grand mal can raise the BP alarmingly high, causing a potential stroke regardless of the root cause. That stroke, if it doesn't kill the animal can cause temporary damage to the brain and inflammation of the brain that in turn can look like a brain tumor on a MRI. I had to deal with this with my dog, the specialists mis- dx the root cause as an inoperable [b/c of location] brain tumor...a glioblastoma...they were wrong. He was treated with phenobarbital and antibiotics for multi tick borne diseases [in his case the root cause of the seizures]. Eventually he was weaned off the meds, and the seizures never returned. He lived seizure free for 5 more years.
                      I think Carol touched on many lesser known factors that can cause seizures. I actually filed her post, b/c I belong to a Feline-Cancer list that could benefit from her input.


                      The good news is that as dramatic as seizures are,
                      the cat doesn't remember them and they're not painful, per se.

                      Lisa





                      Marianna








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                    • Westgold
                      Hi -- I m so sorry to hear about Polar Bear. Unfortunately our kitties are very fragile and we never get to keep them as long as we want to. Yes, Pooh also
                      Message 10 of 12 , Jul 23 10:22 AM
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                        Hi -- I'm so sorry to hear about Polar Bear. Unfortunately our kitties are
                        very fragile and we never get to keep them as long as we want to. Yes, Pooh
                        also told me very clearly when it was time for him to go back to heaven. I
                        took him to our kind regular vet when I woke up and found him looking like
                        hell. They put us in a room, and Pooh wouldn't let me hold him, so I put
                        him on the table and kinda leaned over him to put my arms around him that
                        way. As soon as the vet came in he said "shit" -- so he could tell just by
                        looking at Pooh that it was time. We talked for a while, and I looked into
                        Pooh's eyes -- he said so clearly, please let me go. It was the hardest
                        thing I ever had to do.

                        You can see my precious Pooh and add your memorials to your kitties at our
                        memorial site http://www.AngelKitties.com -- we'd love to see their pictures
                        and learn how you met, etc. All kitties are welcome, no matter how long
                        they've been in heaven.

                        take care -- Michelle in Toronto

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                        From: <harris.rose@...>
                        To: "Westgold" <westgold@...>
                        Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:30 AM
                        Subject: Re: [FH] Help seizure experience anyone?


                        I just want to say I'm so sorry for this huge loss. Some of these kitties
                        really get to us and the love is indescribable. I'm so sorry for your pain
                        here but you both had such good lives together.

                        I just went through this with my Angel Polar Bear. Was obviously a brain
                        tumor and I waited until he told me it was time but it was soooooo hard
                        letting him go. He was long haired white fluffy boy and a real touch stone
                        for me, with his amazing coat. I miss his dearly.

                        Bless you for helping so many kitties.
                        mary

                        --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "Westgold" <westgold@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Oh, dear, brings back horrible memories of my soul-kitty. Pooh was just
                        > fine, no heart disease. On Mother's day 9 years ago he suddenly started
                        > seizing. He was 16 1/2. Rushed him to the ER. In that 30 minutes or so
                        > he had several 30-second seizures, I could hear him thrashing around in
                        > the carrier in the back seat, it broke my heart. They were able to stop
                        > the seizures, but he had overheated horribly which almost shut down his
                        > kidneys. We transferred him to a critical care veterinary clinic, and he
                        > stayed 10 days. Expert care and $6000 brought him around, and I was able
                        > to take him home. I had to give him some different meds, and also give
                        > him fluids twice a day to help clear his kidneys. He made a remarkable
                        > recovery actually, his kidney values returned to normal, and he never had
                        > another seizure. (He did however have these episodes where he seemed to
                        > like freeze, just staring off into space. As soon as I touched him or
                        > called his name, he snapped out of it.) He was not his same old self, but
                        > he seemed okay. Well he was drugged with anti-seizure meds. He spent most
                        > of his time next to my pillow on the bed, and I gave him his meds and fed
                        > him there, etc. He did come down sometimes, to use the box and go into
                        > the livingroom. But they were sure the seizures were caused by a brain
                        > tumor. I didn't put him through the tests. After about 3 1/2 months, one
                        > night he left the bed and went into the living room and didn't come back
                        > to sleep with me. I went and got him, but he left immediately. The next
                        > morning he was in a corner of the living room and just looked like hell.
                        > We went to our regular vet who said he'd probably had a stroke because of
                        > the brain tumor, and I helped him move up to heaven immediately. It was
                        > the hardest thing I ever had to do, I have never loved anyone as much as I
                        > loved him. I still cry for him regularly, I still miss him so much.
                        >
                        > I was told that when older kitties seizure, it is almost always a brain
                        > tumor. You can probably have a better outcome than Pooh had, because your
                        > kitty is in much better shape after the seizures. He should be on
                        > anti-seizure meds. Does he have heart disease? How old is he?
                      • keycmv
                        Had this happen to our girl years ago, then nothing again for 5 years. You never know. Carol
                        Message 11 of 12 , Jul 23 5:02 PM
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                          Had this happen to our girl years ago, then nothing again for 5 years.

                          You never know.

                          Carol

                          --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "plankysmom" <jjehlar@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Plankton had three seizures in half an hour today. We took him to vet where he had three more. He is stable, heart beat good, respirations good, lungs clear, fine between seizures, seizures last about twenty to thirty seconds. Is this the end? Vet has no idea why this is happening.
                          >
                        • rosemairew20
                          My cat had seizures as part of his CHF. They were caused by blood clots. My vet had an acronym for them, but it was basically micro clots to the brain.
                          Message 12 of 12 , Jul 23 5:21 PM
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                            My cat had seizures as part of his CHF. They were caused by blood clots. My vet had an acronym for them, but it was basically micro clots to the brain. However, the seizures my cat had would last longer then 30 seconds and would often make him tired for the rest of the day. His also happened once every month. It doesn't sound like Plankton's seizures are clot related but you never know. If not already on Plavix to prevent clots it might be worth a try to see if the seizures stop.

                            --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "plankysmom" <jjehlar@...> wrote:
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                            > Plankton had three seizures in half an hour today. We took him to vet where he had three more. He is stable, heart beat good, respirations good, lungs clear, fine between seizures, seizures last about twenty to thirty seconds. Is this the end? Vet has no idea why this is happening.
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