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Re: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?

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  • Westgold
    Valium is a crap-shoot. some kitties do react to it by freaking out. I tried it once with a female cat who wouldn t allow herself to be bred -- she freaked
    Message 1 of 16 , Jul 1, 2013
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      Valium is a crap-shoot. some kitties do react to it by freaking out. I tried it once with a female cat who wouldn't allow herself to be bred -- she freaked out and even attacked the poor male. It took her a whole day to calm down. My vet told me that if Tigger is facing a particularly stressful situation that I could give extra atenolol. So you might ask your vet about that, how much, etc. But this move is going to be horribly stressful for your little guy. How far away are you moving? We can give you some advice if we know.
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      From: elfinmyst@...
      To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 6:51 AM
      Subject: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?



      Hi Karen

      I use Feliway, the cat hormone, which I spray in the basket about half an
      hour before using it, but its not a tranquiliser. Your vet might be able to
      prescribe something, Toby got valium once but it had a strange reaction
      with him and he yowled for hours with wide pupils. I have used scullcap and
      valerian from Dorwest herbs too.

      Lyn




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    • Jordan
      Torbutrol is a possibility. My heart kitty, Sheba, who also has feline asthma was prescribed it once to have a non-anesthesic dental. Doc gave it to her
      Message 2 of 16 , Jul 1, 2013
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        Torbutrol is a possibility. My heart kitty, Sheba, who also has feline asthma was prescribed it once to have a non-anesthesic dental. Doc gave it to her to calm her and also for it's non-choking properties, as well.

        She did very well during her dental procedure with no ill effects. But, of course, always ask your own vet what he thinks.


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      • marianna.mayer
        Hi, Jordan. Do you know I wonder if can Torbutrol can be administered orally to calm a heart kitty who is extra stress by car travel? Marianna ... From: Jordan
        Message 3 of 16 , Jul 1, 2013
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          Hi, Jordan.
          Do you know I wonder if can Torbutrol can be administered orally to calm a heart kitty who is extra stress by car travel?



          Marianna




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          From: Jordan <thegapgal@...>
          To: ksmallwood3 <ksmallwood3@...>
          Cc: feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Mon, Jul 1, 2013 1:06 pm
          Subject: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?







          Torbutrol is a possibility. My heart kitty, Sheba, who also has feline asthma was prescribed it once to have a non-anesthesic dental. Doc gave it to her to calm her and also for it's non-choking properties, as well.

          She did very well during her dental procedure with no ill effects. But, of course, always ask your own vet what he thinks.

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        • Jordan
          Yes, I do believe it comes is both pill and injectable forms. ... From: mmayer11 To: thegapgal ; feline-heart
          Message 4 of 16 , Jul 1, 2013
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            Yes, I do believe it comes is both pill and injectable forms.



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            From: mmayer11 <mmayer11@...>
            To: thegapgal <thegapgal@...>; feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Mon, Jul 1, 2013 1:46 pm
            Subject: Re: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?


            Hi, Jordan.
            Do you know I wonder if can Torbutrol can be administered orally to calm a heart kitty who is extra stress by car travel?



            Marianna




            -----Original Message-----
            From: Jordan <thegapgal@...>
            To: ksmallwood3 <ksmallwood3@...>
            Cc: feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Mon, Jul 1, 2013 1:06 pm
            Subject: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?





            Torbutrol is a possibility. My heart kitty, Sheba, who also has feline asthma was prescribed it once to have a non-anesthesic dental. Doc gave it to her to calm her and also for it's non-choking properties, as well.

            She did very well during her dental procedure with no ill effects. But, of course, always ask your own vet what he thinks.

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          • marianna.mayer
            Yes...I also did some checking as well. Thanks! I see it also comes in a nasal spray...probably could even get it compounded via a compounding pharmacy. It
            Message 5 of 16 , Jul 1, 2013
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              Yes...I also did some checking as well. Thanks! I see it also comes in a nasal spray...probably could even get it compounded via a compounding pharmacy. It might be just the thing for heart cats who are stressed horribly by travel to & from vet clinics. Will add it to my file for future reference. Big Thanks!!!

              Marianna


              -----Original Message-----
              From: Jordan <thegapgal@...>
              To: mmayer11 <mmayer11@...>; feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Mon, Jul 1, 2013 4:51 pm
              Subject: Re: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?


              Yes, I do believe it comes is both pill and injectable forms.



              -----Original Message-----
              From: mmayer11 <mmayer11@...>
              To: thegapgal <thegapgal@...>; feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Mon, Jul 1, 2013 1:46 pm
              Subject: Re: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?


              Hi, Jordan.
              Do you know I wonder if can Torbutrol can be administered orally to calm a heart kitty who is extra stress by car travel?



              Marianna




              -----Original Message-----
              From: Jordan <thegapgal@...>
              To: ksmallwood3 <ksmallwood3@...>
              Cc: feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Mon, Jul 1, 2013 1:06 pm
              Subject: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?





              Torbutrol is a possibility. My heart kitty, Sheba, who also has feline asthma was prescribed it once to have a non-anesthesic dental. Doc gave it to her to calm her and also for it's non-choking properties, as well.

              She did very well during her dental procedure with no ill effects. But, of course, always ask your own vet what he thinks.

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            • kateydiddles29
              Thanks for all the responses! Am having second thoughts about this move (which is in the same city just a few miles away from our current house). Had a
              Message 6 of 16 , Jul 2, 2013
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                Thanks for all the responses! Am having second thoughts about this move (which is in the same city just a few miles away from our current house).

                Had a showing yesterday and hubby and I loaded 2 dogs and 2 cats (including Zax) into the car for a ride while our house was being looked at. Zax yowled and screamed the entire time and finally vomited. He was so upset.

                Had another showing today. Told realtor we were not leaving house since zax was so upset. she was not happy. too bad for her (i dont mean to make her job more difficult but my pets' well-being comes first). Instead we took the dogs and cats (dogs on leash, cats in a covered playpen) outside in our yard and sat with them. Zax was much calmer as he is used to doing this. We probably looked really funny but it helped my baby boy!

                Karen
              • Suzianne Painter-Thorne
                Karen, If it helps, when we were shopping for our house, that the owners had two dogs was a big draw for us. It made the house seem more homey for us dog/cat
                Message 7 of 16 , Jul 2, 2013
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                  Karen,

                  If it helps, when we were shopping for our house, that the owners had two
                  dogs was a big draw for us. It made the house seem more homey for us
                  dog/cat people. :-)

                  Good luck,

                  Sue



                  On 7/2/13 8:40 PM, "kateydiddles29" <ksmallwood3@...> wrote:

                  >Thanks for all the responses! Am having second thoughts about this move
                  >(which is in the same city just a few miles away from our current house).
                  >
                  >
                  >Had a showing yesterday and hubby and I loaded 2 dogs and 2 cats
                  >(including Zax) into the car for a ride while our house was being looked
                  >at. Zax yowled and screamed the entire time and finally vomited. He was
                  >so upset.
                  >
                  >Had another showing today. Told realtor we were not leaving house since
                  >zax was so upset. she was not happy. too bad for her (i dont mean to
                  >make her job more difficult but my pets' well-being comes first).
                  >Instead we took the dogs and cats (dogs on leash, cats in a covered
                  >playpen) outside in our yard and sat with them. Zax was much calmer as
                  >he is used to doing this. We probably looked really funny but it helped
                  >my baby boy!
                • acrocat@rocketmail.com
                  Hi Katey The benzodiazepines are the most effective for travel and vet anxiety. These are the drugs that usually end in -pam or -lam. Lorazepam and
                  Message 8 of 16 , Jul 2, 2013
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                    Hi Katey

                    The benzodiazepines are the most effective for travel and vet anxiety. These are the drugs that usually end in -pam or -lam. Lorazepam and alprazolam are two that are often used for cats; the dose is titrated up (so you do 'test doses' at home till you find the right dose for your kitty) so you don't overdose or underdose. I'd talk to your vet or cardiologist about this, regardless of whether or not you're moving, because no cat deserves to have such anxiety for the vet. Some cats are so scared that they defecate on themselves -- you have to be incredibly scared, and feel incredibly threatened, to lose bowel control -- and there's no need for this. Using anti-anxiety meds can help these cats tremendously. It can also help fractious cats, who are generally fractious because they are so darn scared.

                    For anyone with an anxious or fractious cat, ask the vet about anti-anxiety medication and then find the right dose. You'll test it at home till you find what works for your cat. You give the minimum dose and observe -- if nothing happens, you go up. You're looking for the cat to be affected, but not doped. So the cat may move more slowly, be a bit 'dull' but can still walk, still respond to you, etc. The cat shouldn't be a glazed-over lump; that's too high of a dose. Find what makes your cat 'mellow' and then make sure, on the day of any event, that the cat gets the medication before you do anything to indicate you're traveling. Wait till the medication has kicked in before you attempt to put him/her in the carrier. Once the cat is 'revved up', it's much harder to bring them back down from outer space. This is why it's better to give your cat medication at home, than need sedation at the vet; you can get away with less medication if you get it on board before the stressful event happens.

                    Torb (butorphanol) is a very mild pain medication and a mild sedative. I haven't seen it work that well for very scared or very fractious cats and it doesn't seem to last that long, so if you go to a vet appointment and have given the Torb earlier, it may be wearing off before you get home. I wouldn't use it as a first-line for my own cat, I'd go straight for the benzodiazepines. If your cat needs just a touch of something, it might work and it is also heart-friendly.

                    Anxiety and stress are NOT heart-friendly so heart kitties who freak out with travel and vet visits can benefit from pharmaceutical help IMO.

                    Adrianna
                  • Mary Sue Rubin
                    Here s something to add to the safe tranquilizer discussion. It s a simple, safe, and natural product and technique (no medication involved) that might help
                    Message 9 of 16 , Jul 3, 2013
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                      Here's something to add to the safe tranquilizer discussion. It's a simple,
                      safe, and natural product and technique (no medication involved) that might
                      help with the anxiety of car rides and vet visits. My cats do well in the
                      car and at vets so I haven't had to use it, but it looks pretty incredible.
                      I've seen numerous videos of it being used successfully.



                      http://www.clipnosis.com/default.asp



                      Mary Sue



                      From: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com [mailto:feline-heart@yahoogroups.com] On
                      Behalf Of mmayer11@...
                      Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 5:03 PM
                      To: thegapgal@...; feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?



                      ... It might be just the thing for heart cats who are stressed horribly by
                      travel to & from vet clinics. Will add it to my file for future reference.
                      Big Thanks!!!

                      Marianna






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                    • Westgold
                      Hi -- would never use this for more than a couple minutes at a time -- it does disrupt blood circulation. I d be afraid of it causing a clot. ... From: Mary
                      Message 10 of 16 , Jul 3, 2013
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                        Hi -- would never use this for more than a couple minutes at a time -- it does disrupt blood circulation. I'd be afraid of it causing a clot.
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: Mary Sue Rubin
                        To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:21 AM
                        Subject: RE: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?



                        Here's something to add to the safe tranquilizer discussion. It's a simple,
                        safe, and natural product and technique (no medication involved) that might
                        help with the anxiety of car rides and vet visits. My cats do well in the
                        car and at vets so I haven't had to use it, but it looks pretty incredible.
                        I've seen numerous videos of it being used successfully.

                        http://www.clipnosis.com/default.asp

                        Mary Sue

                        From: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com [mailto:feline-heart@yahoogroups.com] On
                        Behalf Of mmayer11@...
                        Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 5:03 PM
                        To: thegapgal@...; feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?

                        ... It might be just the thing for heart cats who are stressed horribly by
                        travel to & from vet clinics. Will add it to my file for future reference.
                        Big Thanks!!!

                        Marianna

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                      • Mary Sue Rubin
                        Good point. I hadn t thought of that. I just wrote to the company to ask about research done on that. Mary Sue From: Westgold [mailto:westgold@interlog.com]
                        Message 11 of 16 , Jul 3, 2013
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                          Good point. I hadn't thought of that. I just wrote to the company to ask
                          about research done on that.



                          Mary Sue



                          From: Westgold [mailto:westgold@...]
                          Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 1:04 PM
                          To: Mary Sue Rubin; feline-heart
                          Subject: Re: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?



                          Hi -- would never use this for more than a couple minutes at a time -- it
                          does disrupt blood circulation. I'd be afraid of it causing a clot.

                          ----- Original Message -----

                          From: Mary Sue Rubin <mailto:msrubin@...>

                          To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com

                          Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:21 AM

                          Subject: RE: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?

                          Here's something to add to the safe tranquilizer discussion. ..
                          http://www.clipnosis.com/default.asp

                          Mary Sue






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                        • Westgold
                          Please let us know what they say. I m sure they re safe for a few mins during an examination, but I would never restrict any blood vessels for an extended
                          Message 12 of 16 , Jul 3, 2013
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                            Please let us know what they say. I'm sure they're safe for a few mins during an examination, but I would never restrict any blood vessels for an extended period of time. Gee, you can make your finger go to sleep by compressing the vessels for just a couple minutes! That can't be good. and it would also cause pain to the kitty. I would never use it, even for an examination. But I know it has a place for feral cats who will not tolerate an exam, etc
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: Mary Sue Rubin
                            To: 'feline-heart'
                            Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 3:44 PM
                            Subject: RE: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?



                            Good point. I hadn't thought of that. I just wrote to the company to ask
                            about research done on that.

                            Mary Sue

                            From: Westgold [mailto:westgold@...]
                            Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 1:04 PM
                            To: Mary Sue Rubin; feline-heart
                            Subject: Re: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?

                            Hi -- would never use this for more than a couple minutes at a time -- it
                            does disrupt blood circulation. I'd be afraid of it causing a clot.

                            ----- Original Message -----

                            From: Mary Sue Rubin <mailto:msrubin@...>

                            To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com

                            Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:21 AM

                            Subject: RE: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?

                            Here's something to add to the safe tranquilizer discussion. ..
                            http://www.clipnosis.com/default.asp

                            Mary Sue

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                          • Mary Sue Rubin
                            I just received an answer from the company that makes Clipnosis. I had asked how long the clip could be left on without restricting blow flow and circulation
                            Message 13 of 16 , Jul 8, 2013
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                              I just received an answer from the company that makes Clipnosis. I had asked
                              how long the clip could be left on without restricting blow flow and
                              circulation with special concerns for cats with heart disease.



                              "There have not been studies performed on cats with heart disease, so we do
                              not have exact information. Clips can be left on completely safely for 10
                              minutes at a time, with no ill effects at all according to our study. I
                              would advise to be careful, and try the clips out for a minute or two at a
                              time, and see what the response from the cat is. Additionally, I would
                              review this with your vet if there are specific medical concerns."



                              Mary Sue



                              From: Westgold [mailto:westgold@...]
                              Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 3:51 PM
                              To: Mary Sue Rubin; feline-heart
                              Subject: Re: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?



                              Please let us know what they say. I'm sure they're safe for a few mins
                              during an examination, but I would never restrict any blood vessels for an
                              extended period of time. Gee, you can make your finger go to sleep by
                              compressing the vessels for just a couple minutes! That can't be good. and
                              it would also cause pain to the kitty. I would never use it, even for an
                              examination. But I know it has a place for feral cats who will not tolerate
                              an exam, etc

                              ----- Original Message -----

                              From: Mary Sue Rubin <mailto:msrubin@...>

                              To: 'feline-heart' <mailto:feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>

                              Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 3:44 PM

                              Subject: RE: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?





                              Good point. I hadn't thought of that. I just wrote to the company to ask
                              about research done on that.

                              Mary Sue

                              From: Westgold [mailto:westgold@...]
                              Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 1:04 PM
                              To: Mary Sue Rubin; feline-heart
                              Subject: Re: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?

                              Hi -- would never use this for more than a couple minutes at a time -- it
                              does disrupt blood circulation. I'd be afraid of it causing a clot.

                              ----- Original Message -----

                              From: Mary Sue Rubin <mailto:msrubin@...
                              <mailto:msrubin%40verizon.net> >

                              To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com <mailto:feline-heart%40yahoogroups.com>

                              Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:21 AM

                              Subject: RE: [FH] Re: Safe tranquilizer for an HCM kitty?

                              Here's something to add to the safe tranquilizer discussion. ..
                              http://www.clipnosis.com/default.asp

                              Mary Sue

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