I recently joined this list and have been lurking for a while, although I do
recognise a few people from the CRF list. To introduce myself, I live near
London in the UK with my husband and our 3 persian cats, 3 year olds Miss
Honey and Hailey and 18 month old Kirk.
Hailey is the reason I joined this list. We got her from the rescue centre
a couple of months ago, right after our CRF kitty died. We were told at the
time that she had a grade 3 heart murmer as well as partial blindness, and
she had been in the centre for a while with prospective owners being put off
by her illness..I couldn't leave that sweet affectionate cat there - I mean
it's not her fault she's got these health problems, is it? and it certainly
doesn't make her any less deserving of a safe, loving home for the rest of
her life..however long that turns out to be.
Anyway, I decided I wanted to determine the cause of her heart murmer and
rapid heart beat. T4 tests came back normal so this week I booked her in
for a chest x-ray and heart ultrasound. When I went to collect her, the vet
showed me all the pics and got the reference books out to try and explain
everything to me, but I did get a bit lost (Sciences never my strong
subject!). It seems to me that the upshot of the tests are that she has no
heart enlargements, nor thickening or thinning of the heart wall, but they
think there may be some constriction beneath the aorta (he called this
sub-aortal something). She seems to be perfectly healthy at the moment so
the vet is not recommending any treatment . He suggested two ways of moving
forward, either to rescan her in 6 months and see if there are any changes
in the heart measurements or to arrange a full colour scan with a
cardiologist or at a university. I don't know what is the best thing to do,
or what is the advantage of the full scan. Since she is healthy at the
moment, is it worth me getting more tests on her?
I know that in the case of CRF we have a less aggressive approach to
treatment here in the UK. I don't know if this is the same for Heart
problems, but I would certainly like to know what some of the options are so
that I can put them to my vets.
All the best
Vicky, Miss Honey, Hailey, Kirk and Angel Prinny
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- hi, my cat izzy, almost three, was just diagnosed with hcm after she
with congestive heart failure. she had always had a grade 1 or 2
murmur that every vet she ever went to said they could "barely" here
wasn't anything to be concered about. she had no other symptoms (at
that i could tell) untill the night she went into failure. after
spending four days
in an oxygen cage, it took a long time and a lot of lasix to get all
the fluid out of
her longs and get her breath rate down to an ok level, she spent one
at the hospital out of oxygen. they kept her the extra night because
values got really high from the lasix. we took her home two days ago
has been off all meds except for pepcid and aspirin for three days to
renal values get back to mostly normal which THANKFULLY they have.
is drinking and moving around occasionally and eating although she
eat baby food right now, i think cause of the texture. so now i find
myself in a
new situation. i am totally paranoid. the first night she was home
i slept with
her (i have a huge bathroom/walk in closet that she is set up in
have two other cats and a chihuahua) and checked her breath rate
hours. i have eased up a bit but sometime her breathing seems
when her breath rate is ok. i just can't tell anymore what are
signns that she is
feeling better or worse or tired or sick. there are lots of lists of
things to look
for pre-diagnosis but not so much for after. does this make any
anyone? i just don't want to miss something again and just
liek what was up is now down. i've been reading some of the postings
board and found them really helpfull and comforting and i would love
advice or support.
> so now i find myself in aAs Lisa said, this is totally natural and understandable under the
> new situation. i am totally paranoid.
circumstances. I was the same way after my cat was diagnosed.
Eventually I calmed down but it took a couple of months.
- Hello, everyone!
I just wanted to introduce myself. New to the group but I'm not new
to heart disease in cats unfortunately. My first two were diagnosed
around 1988 and I've never had fewer than 2 under the care of a
cardiologist ever since (usually more like 4-6).
It almost seems like an epidemic. I do rescue work and we have so
many permanent fosters with HCM and so many that we still hope to
place who have heart murmurs that we've organized them into 4 groups
and are doing quarterly cardiology visits. We're slowly finding
homes for the ones not on meds but it's SLOW - it just scares people
so much - and the cost of the cardiologist visit we're learning is a
I take my purrsonal pets at the same time as we take the rescues. At
the moment in the purrsonal pet heart problem department I have
Bandit, AJ, McMurphy and Wilhemina on meds (atenelol)and Missy,
Gordy, Lindy Byrd and Mehdi with heart murmurs not on meds (yet
I wanted to come here and starting reading messages. To see what
else I can learn about murmurs and heart disease. And also to get
more of a feeling about how pet owners view the cardiologist
process. Anything I can learn that will help me explain the heart
murmur/cardiologist situation better to prospective parents (I feel
like a recording sometimes) and to be better able to screen
prospective parents and determine out which ones will really follow
up on the care can only help our effort. Any thoughts anyone has
would be gratefully accepted.
We are blessed to have access to Chesapeake Veterinary Cardiology
Maryanne Dubbs, Cat Rescue of Maryland
Welcome to you and all your kitties. Bravo to you for doing what you do!! Whether you believe in this type of thing or not, I know you have secured a good seat in the next life for saving all those kitties' lives.
I am sorry that you have had to deal with so many kitties with heart disease. I hope that it is not an epidemic but merely good luck on the kitties' part for finding you, a person of whom could give them a chance at a good life. We generally recommend supplements for heart kitties like CoEnzyme Q10 (CoQ10) and some others to help slow the progression of the heart disease. If you want more information on these supplements just email me. It is information that you could give to prospective owners too. Along with supplements, a good quality canned food is best for them too.
I wish I could give you more help in finding good people to adopt kitties with special needs. I know that it is hard. Most of us have heard from too many people that we are crazy for helping our kitties as we do. It can be disheartening but this group helps keep our spirits high in that we know there are other caring people like us out there. So don't ever give up trying! When you do find good pet parents, definitely direct them to our group! We have lots of information to share and are never low on opinions (and you can take those or leave them without worrying about offending anyone)!
Glad you found us and keep up the good work!
Leah and her cats and Angel Alec
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- Hi Maryanne,
Welcome to the list! And bless you for the work that you do.
I lost my Baby Boy to DCM just over a year ago, and just about two months
ago, adopted Lilly who has HCM/VSD from a foster mom in Ohio who had joined
this list to find out more about how to care for her. My other three cats
are healthy, and while the whole heart-disease thing was something I never
thought I'd want to repeat, I felt like it was a shame to waste all the
things I'd learned about caring for a heart-kitty, especially when there
were so many out there that needed homes.
All of the people here are the kind who would do damn near anything to help
their kitties -- the ones who don't feel that way are not the kind who spend
all night after the initial diagnosis combing the internet for information,
eventually stumbling across this list (which is how about 99% of our new
member find us) -- so you'll find most of us are perfectly willing to do the
cardiologist thing, though cost and distance often present obstacles.
Cost, of course, is a major factor. If there were some way to alleviate
this -- maybe through an arrangement with a local cardiologist or by
(somehow) financially assisting potential adopters with the cost -- you
might find a wider pool of potential adopters. There are creative ways to
do this -- my niece and her second-grade class, for example, are
"sponsoring" a dog at a local shelter -- bringing in dog food etc. to be
donated to the shelter for the dog, until he's adopted. I imagine that it's
difficult enough to get donations to cover regular operational costs for
your organization, but perhaps you might find some people or businesses more
willing to sponsor an individual animal, as it's more personal.
But there's also the question of the ability of the adopter to care for a
pet with a chronic illness. Lilly's foster mom, Moriah, could be pretty
sure that Lilly was going to a home where she would get her meds, get them
on time, get regular checkups and be cared for by someone who basically knew
what she was doing -- because I'd been through it before. I suppose the
best thing you could do with potenial adopters is to make sure they are very
aware of all this entails -- that meds cannot be skipped, the cat will need
to have regular checkups etc -- and of course, point them towards this list
On 12/27/06, feralcatz1 <catrescueofmd@...> wrote:
> Hello, everyone!
> I just wanted to introduce myself. New to the group but I'm not new
> to heart disease in cats unfortunately. My first two were diagnosed
> around 1988 and I've never had fewer than 2 under the care of a
> cardiologist ever since (usually more like 4-6).
> It almost seems like an epidemic. I do rescue work and we have so
> many permanent fosters with HCM and so many that we still hope to
> place who have heart murmurs that we've organized them into 4 groups
> and are doing quarterly cardiology visits. We're slowly finding
> homes for the ones not on meds but it's SLOW - it just scares people
> so much - and the cost of the cardiologist visit we're learning is a
> major turnoff.
> I take my purrsonal pets at the same time as we take the rescues. At
> the moment in the purrsonal pet heart problem department I have
> Bandit, AJ, McMurphy and Wilhemina on meds (atenelol)and Missy,
> Gordy, Lindy Byrd and Mehdi with heart murmurs not on meds (yet
> I wanted to come here and starting reading messages. To see what
> else I can learn about murmurs and heart disease. And also to get
> more of a feeling about how pet owners view the cardiologist
> process. Anything I can learn that will help me explain the heart
> murmur/cardiologist situation better to prospective parents (I feel
> like a recording sometimes) and to be better able to screen
> prospective parents and determine out which ones will really follow
> up on the care can only help our effort. Any thoughts anyone has
> would be gratefully accepted.
> We are blessed to have access to Chesapeake Veterinary Cardiology
> Maryanne Dubbs, Cat Rescue of Maryland
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