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  • binarina1
    Hello I was too scared to do sub q because of his heart, so I was syringe feeding him food and water. Although he did then start drinking frequently on his
    Message 1 of 6 , Apr 7, 2013
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      Hello I was too scared to do sub q because of his heart, so I was syringe feeding him food and water. Although he did then start drinking frequently on his own, but wouldn't eat.

      Bloods

      Urea 46.4
      Potassium 5.8
      Creatinine 680
      Phos 5.19
      Alt 655
      Amyl 1903
      Glu 15.72
      Retic 58.5
      Rdw 24.8


      He wasn't overly dehydrated when skin tenting. He always ate dry. But the past few days he had wet k/d.

      He may well have been too weak to wee. I can't say. Although the litter boxes are downstairs, I carried him up and down many times throughout the day.

      He's at he vets now, staying for up to four days. They can't get IV access because his veins have collapsed :( so they are doing subcutaneous fluids instead.

      I'm so worried. He means everything to me.

      Thanks Sara.


      --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, r schu <rschu92@...> wrote:
      >
      > I don't know if the potassium supplement can cause reduced urination, but I think not. It's hard to say without seeing his kidney values, and blood results.
      >
      > Are you doing sub q fluids? Feeding wet as opposed to dry food? Doing the test for dehydration by seeing how fast pinching the scruff of his neck returns to normal?
      >
      > And what about amount of urine? Before I put a litter box upstairs May peed 3 times per day, then went to 5 times! But soon I realized that the 5 were smaller, as she was not saving up her trips downstairs and felt easier just walking one room over.
      >
      > Is he tired and saving trips to the box and thus peeing more each time?
      >
      > Again, it's hard to talk about sub q fluids without knowing if his kidney values are high enough to warrant them.
      >
      > -Lee and May
      >
      > =======================
      > Reduced Urination.
      > Sat Apr 6, 2013 6:04 am (PDT) . Posted by:
      > "binarina1" binarina1
      > Anyone had experience of this? My boys kidney values were slightly off when he had his last bloods. But they were greatly improved after IV (he was dehydrated). Problem is these last few days he's only been urinating twice a day. He isn't well, I'm assisted feeding him. He's drinking on his own, he's very wobbly and on a potassium supplement. Could the supplement have anything to do with it? He's being seen later today. Fingers crossed he doesn't have to stay in again, because each time he does I feel we lose a bit of him.
      >
    • r schu
      Sara, I don t know how to translate uk blood numbers, assuming you re in the uk, and you didn t list ranges. Are those values really high? 680 and 46.4? I
      Message 2 of 6 , Apr 8, 2013
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        Sara,

        I don't know how to translate uk blood numbers, assuming you're in the uk, and you didn't list ranges. Are those values really high? 680 and 46.4?

        I know how you feel, I worry about everything with May, all the ups and downs. She means the world to me, and is my everything. Her crea is getting up there but we had to reduce fluids since she developed worse hcm. So I syringe 26cc am and 26cc pm and chase her pills with homemade chicken broth orally, and she drinks some too.

        Perhaps your vet would approve small doses of sub q? Again, hard to say not knowing what that crea and bun mean, as well as phos range, and all the other values you listed without ranges.

        It sounds like you are taking really good care of him though! Doing everything you can. Hopefully he'll be home soon, where he'll feel more comfortable.

        The crf-support list, of which I've been a member for quite a while, can advise you on what level crea it's advisable to give sub q. And all else kidney related.

        Keep up your good work and please keep the list posted.

        -Lee and May
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        Re: Reduced Urination.
        Sun Apr 7, 2013 7:46 am (PDT) . Posted by:
        "binarina1" binarina1
        Hello I was too scared to do sub q because of his heart, so I was syringe feeding him food and water. Although he did then start drinking frequently on his own, but wouldn't eat.

        Bloods

        Urea 46.4
        Potassium 5.8
        Creatinine 680
        Phos 5.19
        Alt 655
        Amyl 1903
        Glu 15.72
        Retic 58.5
        Rdw 24.8

        He wasn't overly dehydrated when skin tenting. He always ate dry. But the past few days he had wet k/d.

        He may well have been too weak to wee. I can't say. Although the litter boxes are downstairs, I carried him up and down many times throughout the day.

        He's at he vets now, staying for up to four days. They can't get IV access because his veins have collapsed :( so they are doing subcutaneous fluids instead.

        I'm so worried. He means everything to me.

        Thanks Sara.
      • binarina1
        Hi lee, The translated figures on today s bloods are: Creatinine 6.56 Phosphorous 14.24 Everything else is unchanged I believe. I maybe be wrong about the
        Message 3 of 6 , Apr 8, 2013
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          Hi lee,

          The translated figures on today's bloods are:

          Creatinine 6.56
          Phosphorous 14.24

          Everything else is unchanged I believe.

          I maybe be wrong about the phosphorus it may have been 4.4 UK (13.62 US)

          He's seeing a specialist tomorrow. So I'll have more of an idea then. And I'll ask about giving fluids.

          I've joined all the lists, here, CRF, Assisted feeding and Tanya's CRF.

          I'll ask about sub q's tomorrow.

          Thanks for your kind words. Much appreciated. Hope your cat is ok.

          Kind regards Sara.

          --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, r schu <rschu92@...> wrote:
          >
          > Sara,
          >
          > I don't know how to translate uk blood numbers, assuming you're in the uk, and you didn't list ranges. Are those values really high? 680 and 46.4?
          >
          > I know how you feel, I worry about everything with May, all the ups and downs. She means the world to me, and is my everything. Her crea is getting up there but we had to reduce fluids since she developed worse hcm. So I syringe 26cc am and 26cc pm and chase her pills with homemade chicken broth orally, and she drinks some too.
          >
          > Perhaps your vet would approve small doses of sub q? Again, hard to say not knowing what that crea and bun mean, as well as phos range, and all the other values you listed without ranges.
          >
          > It sounds like you are taking really good care of him though! Doing everything you can. Hopefully he'll be home soon, where he'll feel more comfortable.
          >
          > The crf-support list, of which I've been a member for quite a while, can advise you on what level crea it's advisable to give sub q. And all else kidney related.
          >
          > Keep up your good work and please keep the list posted.
          >
          > -Lee and May
          > =============================
          >
          > 1a
          > Re: Reduced Urination.
          > Sun Apr 7, 2013 7:46 am (PDT) . Posted by:
          > "binarina1" binarina1
          > Hello I was too scared to do sub q because of his heart, so I was syringe feeding him food and water. Although he did then start drinking frequently on his own, but wouldn't eat.
          >
          > Bloods
          >
          > Urea 46.4
          > Potassium 5.8
          > Creatinine 680
          > Phos 5.19
          > Alt 655
          > Amyl 1903
          > Glu 15.72
          > Retic 58.5
          > Rdw 24.8
          >
          > He wasn't overly dehydrated when skin tenting. He always ate dry. But the past few days he had wet k/d.
          >
          > He may well have been too weak to wee. I can't say. Although the litter boxes are downstairs, I carried him up and down many times throughout the day.
          >
          > He's at he vets now, staying for up to four days. They can't get IV access because his veins have collapsed :( so they are doing subcutaneous fluids instead.
          >
          > I'm so worried. He means everything to me.
          >
          > Thanks Sara.
          >
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