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  • carolroars
    hi Lyn, I ve used DMSO for years on my cats for nebulizing them with colloidal silver, because it helps get the CS into the lung tissue. As far as I ve read,
    Message 1 of 9 , Jan 26, 2013
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      hi Lyn,

      I've used DMSO for years on my cats for nebulizing them with colloidal silver, because it helps get the CS into the lung tissue. As far as I've read, you can't give it internally at all, because of the toxicity. I don't know if you "can" give it orally, since much of what's on the internet that says not to, there are other sites that say you can, but I'm not convinced that you can give it orally to cats, and since this vet injected it directly into the vein, I don't think an oral or subQ injection would have the same benefits. I do know that DMSO really burns and itches to the touch if you get it on the skin, so a subQ injection would be quite uncomfortable for a cat.

      If it's possible for you, maybe ask for a consult with rosemairew20's vet, Dr. Jan White @ Lake Sawyer Vet in Kent Washington and ask her about the administration. She said she was also on Facebook under Lake Sawyer Vet and South Sound Critter Care, and that might be a good place to get in touch with her.

      Carol

      --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, elfinmyst@... wrote:
      >
      > Hi
      >
      > I am considering to buy a bottle of this, it is on sale at health shops, apparently you need to be sure of the pharmaceutical grade. As a clot is an emergency, I would only use it under that circumstance.
      >
      > Please can you tell us the dosage and if it is administered transdermal. I have looked up the risks and there are side effects and overdose can be lethal, so I`d want to be sure of the dosage. But if this is something I can have in the cupboard if the cats throw a clot and the only other option is euthanasia, I want to keep it in.
      >
      > Lyn
    • acidsoda
      Hi, My cat threw a clot just 90 minutes ago. My doctor gave me a similar opinion on my cat s condition now, and I was wondering if I should ask to give him
      Message 2 of 9 , Aug 16 5:21 PM
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        Hi,

        My cat threw a clot just 90 minutes ago. My doctor gave me a similar opinion on my cat's condition now, and I was wondering if I should ask to give him DMSO right now. And he has asthma, so will it be harmful to use DMSO? Please let me know. Thanks so much.





        --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "rosemairew20" <rosemariewentz@...> wrote:
        >
        > I want to share a lifesaving option that my vet used on my 4yr old cat when he threw a blood clot resulting in saddle thrombus.
        >
        > My 4yr old cat was diagnosed with CHF on 12/28/12. The heart failure is unclassified and they have no idea what the cause is. He's been on medications since 12/28/12 and the Specialist said his heart failure was moderate but the biggest concern is a blood clot. On 1/10/13 the worst happened. I went into his sick kitten room at 7am to give him his meds. He was under the bed struggling to breath and laying in urine. I pulled him out and realized he was paralyzed. His hind feet, tail was not moving and he was in congestive heart failure with fluid in his lungs once again. I panicked!!
        >
        > I rushed him to a local vet that opened at 8 am, my regular vet did not open till 10am. The vet gave him a shot of Lasix but said he was critical and would not make the 30 min trip to the 24/7 Emergency Clinic. We took the risk. At the Emergency Clinic after a 10 min exam the vet said my cat Baxter threw a blood clot and it caused saddle thrombus, pieces had gone into his lungs sending him into CHF a second time. He suggested Euthanasia as there were just "no options", I requested he speak to the Heart Specialist I had seen a week prior before I made any decision. The Specialist also felt there were "no options" and euthanasia was the only thing that I could do. I was told Baxter would not survive 48 hrs. I was devastated but unwilling to lose my cat at 4 yrs old. I also knew my cat and looking at his he was not ready to go and was fighting for his life.
        >
        > I had the emergency vet give Baxter pain meds and try to get the fluid off his lungs and heart and then assess the saddle thrombus. In 4 hrs Baxter was breathing normally again still he was not moving his hind end. After 24 hrs I brought him home, he could not get to food, water or the litter box. I spent the next 24 hrs sleeping on the floor with him jumping to ever need of his. Setting him in the litter box, cleaning him after and offering water and food every 30 mins.
        >
        > On 1/12/13 I brought him to my regular vet, completely unsure of what else to do. The clot had split in two and Baxter had small motions in his hips and tail but it was not looking good. My regular vet spoke to me and said that the prognosis was not good and showed me all the reports saying euthanasia needed to be done.
        >
        > One of the receptionists over heard the discussion with my regular vet and spoke up suggesting I speak with the facility owner and senior vet which I did. The senior vet knew of an old school uncommon treatment. It was worth a shot. That night I came in and Baxter was given and injection of 1/10th DMSO into his veins. This is used commonly for horses and humans but not for small animals. DMSO promotes circulation and breaks up clots. It can also be used on dogs and cats with liver failure to flush the liver or so I've been told. The senior vet had used this treatment for cats that had thrown blood clots and had saddle thrombus, in all her cases the cats never threw a clot again and recovered from saddle thrombus and walked again. The only side effect is an over powering smell of Rotten Garlic coming from your cat for about a week.
        >
        > After the first treatment of DMSO Baxter regained circulation in his tail and one of his hind legs. Two days later we did a second treatment of DMSO. After 24 hrs Baxter had full circulation to all parts of his body. He started walking on the hind foot that was last to regain circulation.
        >
        > It is now 1/25/13 and Baxter is on the move, he has been active and figuring out ways to climb to the window sill. He is still only walking on one of his hind legs and the vet is hopeful that the Nerves will heal in 6-8weeks and Baxter will be his old self again.
        >
        > Today I received a brace from OrthoVet and put it on Baxter to help him walk and not drag his hind leg. Baxter is getting used to the brace and is walking with both his legs.
        >
        > The Specialist was shocked to know that Baxter survived and is recovering. The senior vet plans to take a video and pictures of Baxter and send them to the Specialist and 24/7 Emergency Vet with the treatments we did so they will be aware of old school options that are no longer used can make the difference between life and death for a beloved friend and family member.
        >
        > As to Baxters' Unclassified Heart Failure, the vet tested him for Bartenella, he was positive. She believes that Bartenella is the cause of Heart Failure and we are treating him for that as well. After 12 days now of treatment he is doing remarkably well.
        >
        > We will be seeing the Specialist on 2/7/13 for a recheck and will determine if there are more blood clots inside his heart waiting to break loose or if the DMSO has dissolved the clots giving Baxter a second chance at life.
        >
        > Speak to your vet about DMSO treatments before your cat throws a blood clot. Have your vet consult with Dr. Jan White @ Lake Sawyer Vet in Kent Washington if they are unsure of how to do the treatment. You can find Lake Sawyer Vet and South Sound Critter Care on Facebook.
        >
        > I am eternally grateful to Dr. White for saving Baxter's life.
        >
      • Westgold
        what a great story! Give him a kiss from us!! ... From: acidsoda To: rosemairew20 ; feline-heart@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:21 PM
        Message 3 of 9 , Aug 16 5:27 PM
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          what a great story! Give him a kiss from us!!
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: acidsoda
          To: rosemairew20 ; feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:21 PM
          Subject: [FH] Re: Uncommon option for Blood Clots



          Hi,

          My cat threw a clot just 90 minutes ago. My doctor gave me a similar opinion on my cat's condition now, and I was wondering if I should ask to give him DMSO right now. And he has asthma, so will it be harmful to use DMSO? Please let me know. Thanks so much.

          --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "rosemairew20" <rosemariewentz@...> wrote:
          >
          > I want to share a lifesaving option that my vet used on my 4yr old cat when he threw a blood clot resulting in saddle thrombus.
          >
          > My 4yr old cat was diagnosed with CHF on 12/28/12. The heart failure is unclassified and they have no idea what the cause is. He's been on medications since 12/28/12 and the Specialist said his heart failure was moderate but the biggest concern is a blood clot. On 1/10/13 the worst happened. I went into his sick kitten room at 7am to give him his meds. He was under the bed struggling to breath and laying in urine. I pulled him out and realized he was paralyzed. His hind feet, tail was not moving and he was in congestive heart failure with fluid in his lungs once again. I panicked!!
          >
          > I rushed him to a local vet that opened at 8 am, my regular vet did not open till 10am. The vet gave him a shot of Lasix but said he was critical and would not make the 30 min trip to the 24/7 Emergency Clinic. We took the risk. At the Emergency Clinic after a 10 min exam the vet said my cat Baxter threw a blood clot and it caused saddle thrombus, pieces had gone into his lungs sending him into CHF a second time. He suggested Euthanasia as there were just "no options", I requested he speak to the Heart Specialist I had seen a week prior before I made any decision. The Specialist also felt there were "no options" and euthanasia was the only thing that I could do. I was told Baxter would not survive 48 hrs. I was devastated but unwilling to lose my cat at 4 yrs old. I also knew my cat and looking at his he was not ready to go and was fighting for his life.
          >
          > I had the emergency vet give Baxter pain meds and try to get the fluid off his lungs and heart and then assess the saddle thrombus. In 4 hrs Baxter was breathing normally again still he was not moving his hind end. After 24 hrs I brought him home, he could not get to food, water or the litter box. I spent the next 24 hrs sleeping on the floor with him jumping to ever need of his. Setting him in the litter box, cleaning him after and offering water and food every 30 mins.
          >
          > On 1/12/13 I brought him to my regular vet, completely unsure of what else to do. The clot had split in two and Baxter had small motions in his hips and tail but it was not looking good. My regular vet spoke to me and said that the prognosis was not good and showed me all the reports saying euthanasia needed to be done.
          >
          > One of the receptionists over heard the discussion with my regular vet and spoke up suggesting I speak with the facility owner and senior vet which I did. The senior vet knew of an old school uncommon treatment. It was worth a shot. That night I came in and Baxter was given and injection of 1/10th DMSO into his veins. This is used commonly for horses and humans but not for small animals. DMSO promotes circulation and breaks up clots. It can also be used on dogs and cats with liver failure to flush the liver or so I've been told. The senior vet had used this treatment for cats that had thrown blood clots and had saddle thrombus, in all her cases the cats never threw a clot again and recovered from saddle thrombus and walked again. The only side effect is an over powering smell of Rotten Garlic coming from your cat for about a week.
          >
          > After the first treatment of DMSO Baxter regained circulation in his tail and one of his hind legs. Two days later we did a second treatment of DMSO. After 24 hrs Baxter had full circulation to all parts of his body. He started walking on the hind foot that was last to regain circulation.
          >
          > It is now 1/25/13 and Baxter is on the move, he has been active and figuring out ways to climb to the window sill. He is still only walking on one of his hind legs and the vet is hopeful that the Nerves will heal in 6-8weeks and Baxter will be his old self again.
          >
          > Today I received a brace from OrthoVet and put it on Baxter to help him walk and not drag his hind leg. Baxter is getting used to the brace and is walking with both his legs.
          >
          > The Specialist was shocked to know that Baxter survived and is recovering. The senior vet plans to take a video and pictures of Baxter and send them to the Specialist and 24/7 Emergency Vet with the treatments we did so they will be aware of old school options that are no longer used can make the difference between life and death for a beloved friend and family member.
          >
          > As to Baxters' Unclassified Heart Failure, the vet tested him for Bartenella, he was positive. She believes that Bartenella is the cause of Heart Failure and we are treating him for that as well. After 12 days now of treatment he is doing remarkably well.
          >
          > We will be seeing the Specialist on 2/7/13 for a recheck and will determine if there are more blood clots inside his heart waiting to break loose or if the DMSO has dissolved the clots giving Baxter a second chance at life.
          >
          > Speak to your vet about DMSO treatments before your cat throws a blood clot. Have your vet consult with Dr. Jan White @ Lake Sawyer Vet in Kent Washington if they are unsure of how to do the treatment. You can find Lake Sawyer Vet and South Sound Critter Care on Facebook.
          >
          > I am eternally grateful to Dr. White for saving Baxter's life.
          >





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        • Carol
          If a vet is not familiar with administering intravenous DMSO, you shouldn t have them do it. It s not a common practice and can be dangerous if the vet s not
          Message 4 of 9 , Aug 16 5:32 PM
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            If a vet is not familiar with administering intravenous DMSO, you shouldn't have them do it. It's not a common practice and can be dangerous if the vet's not familiar with it.

            Usually they'll give IV heparin and pain killers. It's a waiting game to see if they respond. One of our cats had the same thing and after about 3 days in the hospital, they sent him home with heparin injections we gave him, for 10 days, then after that baby aspirin, but we only did the aspirin for a few days and then switched him over to Nattokinase, which is an enzyme that digests clots.

            After Christopher came home, we did a lot of massaging his leg (he had only one that went lame), giving him Rescue Remedy flower essence to help with the stress. It took about a month, but he did gain back the use of his leg.


            We'll your boy in our prayers.

            Carol, Misty and the gang














            -----Original Message-----
            From: acidsoda <r17re@...>
            To: rosemairew20 <rosemariewentz@...>; feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2013 5:21 pm
            Subject: [FH] Re: Uncommon option for Blood Clots






            Hi,

            My cat threw a clot just 90 minutes ago. My doctor gave me a similar opinion on my cat's condition now, and I was wondering if I should ask to give him DMSO right now. And he has asthma, so will it be harmful to use DMSO? Please let me know. Thanks so much.



            --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "rosemairew20" <rosemariewentz@...> wrote:
            >
            > I want to share a lifesaving option that my vet used on my 4yr old cat when he threw a blood clot resulting in saddle thrombus.
            >

            > One of the receptionists over heard the discussion with my regular vet and spoke up suggesting I speak with the facility owner and senior vet which I did. The senior vet knew of an old school uncommon treatment. It was worth a shot. That night I came in and Baxter was given and injection of 1/10th DMSO into his veins. This is used commonly for horses and humans but not for small animals. DMSO promotes circulation and breaks up clots. It can also be used on dogs and cats with liver failure to flush the liver or so I've been told. The senior vet had used this treatment for cats that had thrown blood clots and had saddle thrombus, in all her cases the cats never threw a clot again and recovered from saddle thrombus and walked again. The only side effect is an over powering smell of Rotten Garlic coming from your cat for about a week.
            >
            > After the first treatment of DMSO Baxter regained circulation in his tail and one of his hind legs. Two days later we did a second treatment of DMSO. After 24 hrs Baxter had full circulation to all parts of his body. He started walking on the hind foot that was last to regain circulation.
            >
            >






            [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          • acidsoda
            They are treating him with Heparin right now.. + I have a question about the treatment you did in the 24 hours, between the time you have not given the cat
            Message 5 of 9 , Aug 16 5:35 PM
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              They are treating him with Heparin right now..

              + I have a question about the treatment you did in the 24 hours, between the time you have not given the cat DMSO, and after you brought him home from emergency. Did he still having painkiller during that time period?

              I suggested earlier to my doctor to take my cats home, since he always panic more in the hospital (or unfamiliar environment). But they thought the condition was too critical to allow us to do so. How was your cat's breathing? Is he ok without anything extra oxygen support? And did he have any appetite?

              Thanks.


              --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "rosemairew20" <rosemariewentz@...> wrote:
              >
              > I want to share a lifesaving option that my vet used on my 4yr old cat when he threw a blood clot resulting in saddle thrombus.
              >
              > My 4yr old cat was diagnosed with CHF on 12/28/12. The heart failure is unclassified and they have no idea what the cause is. He's been on medications since 12/28/12 and the Specialist said his heart failure was moderate but the biggest concern is a blood clot. On 1/10/13 the worst happened. I went into his sick kitten room at 7am to give him his meds. He was under the bed struggling to breath and laying in urine. I pulled him out and realized he was paralyzed. His hind feet, tail was not moving and he was in congestive heart failure with fluid in his lungs once again. I panicked!!
              >
              > I rushed him to a local vet that opened at 8 am, my regular vet did not open till 10am. The vet gave him a shot of Lasix but said he was critical and would not make the 30 min trip to the 24/7 Emergency Clinic. We took the risk. At the Emergency Clinic after a 10 min exam the vet said my cat Baxter threw a blood clot and it caused saddle thrombus, pieces had gone into his lungs sending him into CHF a second time. He suggested Euthanasia as there were just "no options", I requested he speak to the Heart Specialist I had seen a week prior before I made any decision. The Specialist also felt there were "no options" and euthanasia was the only thing that I could do. I was told Baxter would not survive 48 hrs. I was devastated but unwilling to lose my cat at 4 yrs old. I also knew my cat and looking at his he was not ready to go and was fighting for his life.
              >
              > I had the emergency vet give Baxter pain meds and try to get the fluid off his lungs and heart and then assess the saddle thrombus. In 4 hrs Baxter was breathing normally again still he was not moving his hind end. After 24 hrs I brought him home, he could not get to food, water or the litter box. I spent the next 24 hrs sleeping on the floor with him jumping to ever need of his. Setting him in the litter box, cleaning him after and offering water and food every 30 mins.
              >
              > On 1/12/13 I brought him to my regular vet, completely unsure of what else to do. The clot had split in two and Baxter had small motions in his hips and tail but it was not looking good. My regular vet spoke to me and said that the prognosis was not good and showed me all the reports saying euthanasia needed to be done.
              >
              > One of the receptionists over heard the discussion with my regular vet and spoke up suggesting I speak with the facility owner and senior vet which I did. The senior vet knew of an old school uncommon treatment. It was worth a shot. That night I came in and Baxter was given and injection of 1/10th DMSO into his veins. This is used commonly for horses and humans but not for small animals. DMSO promotes circulation and breaks up clots. It can also be used on dogs and cats with liver failure to flush the liver or so I've been told. The senior vet had used this treatment for cats that had thrown blood clots and had saddle thrombus, in all her cases the cats never threw a clot again and recovered from saddle thrombus and walked again. The only side effect is an over powering smell of Rotten Garlic coming from your cat for about a week.
              >
              > After the first treatment of DMSO Baxter regained circulation in his tail and one of his hind legs. Two days later we did a second treatment of DMSO. After 24 hrs Baxter had full circulation to all parts of his body. He started walking on the hind foot that was last to regain circulation.
              >
              > It is now 1/25/13 and Baxter is on the move, he has been active and figuring out ways to climb to the window sill. He is still only walking on one of his hind legs and the vet is hopeful that the Nerves will heal in 6-8weeks and Baxter will be his old self again.
              >
              > Today I received a brace from OrthoVet and put it on Baxter to help him walk and not drag his hind leg. Baxter is getting used to the brace and is walking with both his legs.
              >
              > The Specialist was shocked to know that Baxter survived and is recovering. The senior vet plans to take a video and pictures of Baxter and send them to the Specialist and 24/7 Emergency Vet with the treatments we did so they will be aware of old school options that are no longer used can make the difference between life and death for a beloved friend and family member.
              >
              > As to Baxters' Unclassified Heart Failure, the vet tested him for Bartenella, he was positive. She believes that Bartenella is the cause of Heart Failure and we are treating him for that as well. After 12 days now of treatment he is doing remarkably well.
              >
              > We will be seeing the Specialist on 2/7/13 for a recheck and will determine if there are more blood clots inside his heart waiting to break loose or if the DMSO has dissolved the clots giving Baxter a second chance at life.
              >
              > Speak to your vet about DMSO treatments before your cat throws a blood clot. Have your vet consult with Dr. Jan White @ Lake Sawyer Vet in Kent Washington if they are unsure of how to do the treatment. You can find Lake Sawyer Vet and South Sound Critter Care on Facebook.
              >
              > I am eternally grateful to Dr. White for saving Baxter's life.
              >
            • acidsoda
              Hi again, When you said 1/10 of DMSO, what was the exact dosage? Sorry to throw you all these question. We are very desperate right now
              Message 6 of 9 , Aug 16 5:45 PM
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                Hi again,

                When you said 1/10 of DMSO, what was the exact dosage?
                Sorry to throw you all these question. We are very desperate right now




                --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "rosemairew20" <rosemariewentz@...> wrote:
                >
                > I want to share a lifesaving option that my vet used on my 4yr old cat when he threw a blood clot resulting in saddle thrombus.
                >
                > My 4yr old cat was diagnosed with CHF on 12/28/12. The heart failure is unclassified and they have no idea what the cause is. He's been on medications since 12/28/12 and the Specialist said his heart failure was moderate but the biggest concern is a blood clot. On 1/10/13 the worst happened. I went into his sick kitten room at 7am to give him his meds. He was under the bed struggling to breath and laying in urine. I pulled him out and realized he was paralyzed. His hind feet, tail was not moving and he was in congestive heart failure with fluid in his lungs once again. I panicked!!
                >
                > I rushed him to a local vet that opened at 8 am, my regular vet did not open till 10am. The vet gave him a shot of Lasix but said he was critical and would not make the 30 min trip to the 24/7 Emergency Clinic. We took the risk. At the Emergency Clinic after a 10 min exam the vet said my cat Baxter threw a blood clot and it caused saddle thrombus, pieces had gone into his lungs sending him into CHF a second time. He suggested Euthanasia as there were just "no options", I requested he speak to the Heart Specialist I had seen a week prior before I made any decision. The Specialist also felt there were "no options" and euthanasia was the only thing that I could do. I was told Baxter would not survive 48 hrs. I was devastated but unwilling to lose my cat at 4 yrs old. I also knew my cat and looking at his he was not ready to go and was fighting for his life.
                >
                > I had the emergency vet give Baxter pain meds and try to get the fluid off his lungs and heart and then assess the saddle thrombus. In 4 hrs Baxter was breathing normally again still he was not moving his hind end. After 24 hrs I brought him home, he could not get to food, water or the litter box. I spent the next 24 hrs sleeping on the floor with him jumping to ever need of his. Setting him in the litter box, cleaning him after and offering water and food every 30 mins.
                >
                > On 1/12/13 I brought him to my regular vet, completely unsure of what else to do. The clot had split in two and Baxter had small motions in his hips and tail but it was not looking good. My regular vet spoke to me and said that the prognosis was not good and showed me all the reports saying euthanasia needed to be done.
                >
                > One of the receptionists over heard the discussion with my regular vet and spoke up suggesting I speak with the facility owner and senior vet which I did. The senior vet knew of an old school uncommon treatment. It was worth a shot. That night I came in and Baxter was given and injection of 1/10th DMSO into his veins. This is used commonly for horses and humans but not for small animals. DMSO promotes circulation and breaks up clots. It can also be used on dogs and cats with liver failure to flush the liver or so I've been told. The senior vet had used this treatment for cats that had thrown blood clots and had saddle thrombus, in all her cases the cats never threw a clot again and recovered from saddle thrombus and walked again. The only side effect is an over powering smell of Rotten Garlic coming from your cat for about a week.
                >
                > After the first treatment of DMSO Baxter regained circulation in his tail and one of his hind legs. Two days later we did a second treatment of DMSO. After 24 hrs Baxter had full circulation to all parts of his body. He started walking on the hind foot that was last to regain circulation.
                >
                > It is now 1/25/13 and Baxter is on the move, he has been active and figuring out ways to climb to the window sill. He is still only walking on one of his hind legs and the vet is hopeful that the Nerves will heal in 6-8weeks and Baxter will be his old self again.
                >
                > Today I received a brace from OrthoVet and put it on Baxter to help him walk and not drag his hind leg. Baxter is getting used to the brace and is walking with both his legs.
                >
                > The Specialist was shocked to know that Baxter survived and is recovering. The senior vet plans to take a video and pictures of Baxter and send them to the Specialist and 24/7 Emergency Vet with the treatments we did so they will be aware of old school options that are no longer used can make the difference between life and death for a beloved friend and family member.
                >
                > As to Baxters' Unclassified Heart Failure, the vet tested him for Bartenella, he was positive. She believes that Bartenella is the cause of Heart Failure and we are treating him for that as well. After 12 days now of treatment he is doing remarkably well.
                >
                > We will be seeing the Specialist on 2/7/13 for a recheck and will determine if there are more blood clots inside his heart waiting to break loose or if the DMSO has dissolved the clots giving Baxter a second chance at life.
                >
                > Speak to your vet about DMSO treatments before your cat throws a blood clot. Have your vet consult with Dr. Jan White @ Lake Sawyer Vet in Kent Washington if they are unsure of how to do the treatment. You can find Lake Sawyer Vet and South Sound Critter Care on Facebook.
                >
                > I am eternally grateful to Dr. White for saving Baxter's life.
                >
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