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  • elfinmyst@aol.com
    Hello I`m not sure about amoxiccilin and heart disease. My cats have always had antibiotics when needed, whatever their heart problems. You need to see what
    Message 1 of 7 , Nov 17, 2012
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      Hello

      I`m not sure about amoxiccilin and heart disease. My cats have always had
      antibiotics when needed, whatever their heart problems. You need to see what
      type of heart disease she has and the way to do that is an ultrasound done
      by a cardiologist. That would tell you exactly what was wrong, what
      treatment was needed and whether it is safe to continue the antibiotic.

      Lyn

      _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)

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    • Ruth C
      Hi Rose no, she was not seen by any specialist. she has been ill this week, they think with a urinary tract infection plus her colitis worse, we cant settle
      Message 2 of 7 , Nov 17, 2012
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        Hi Rose
        no, she was not seen by any specialist.
        she has been ill this week, they think with a urinary tract infection plus
        her colitis worse, we cant settle her tummy lately. she was given
        antibiotic injection for this, as usual, and the next day she had a funny
        turn. looked like in pain or eyes looked funny, was shaking/trembling and
        looked out of it, then she tried to walk but was wobbly and didnt get far,
        adn then she just lay down very still for ages not moving and not
        responding. so the vet came and took her for blood tests, the tests were
        fine but when they listened to her heart they said there is a sound that
        wasnt there before, 3 vets have heard it. adn that this means somthing is
        wrong. the first vet called it a murmur. but when her own vet spoke to me
        and heard it she said it is a gallup sound and that this means that
        somthign is definately wrong. (to do with the valves not closing right time
        or somthing?) as i know a murmur can be innocent but this sound was new to
        the vets with my cat so they say somthign changed with her heart.
        i am very worried.
        the vet was not intending to do more tests i dotn think. and made it sound
        like nothing they can do for heart disease much. she said they dont tend to
        do very well. i am in the UK. i never heard of cats seeing a cardiologist
        specialist . did not know there was that for cats.
        she looks reasonably ok since, at the moment.

        Ruth


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      • Laurie Stead
        Hi Ruth, Your vet making it sound like there is nothing to do for heart disease is the #1 reason you would see a cardiologist!  A new vet is probably in order
        Message 3 of 7 , Nov 17, 2012
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          Hi Ruth,

          Your vet making it sound like there is nothing to do for heart disease is the #1 reason you would see a cardiologist!  A new vet is probably in order too, but one step at a time.  An ultrasound will be done by the cardiologist to confirm and determine the type of heart disease. Once this is known the proper medications will be prescribed.

          So many cats are not diagnosed until they are fighting for their life suffering heart failure.  You have an opportunity to starts meds now, if in fact heart disease is confirmed.  Please don't wait.

          When you say the blood tests were fine, did you get a copy?  If so please include them for the group to review along with the ranges given (each lab differs). The wobbly walking could be from low potassium, so double-check that value on the blood work.

          One last thought just to throw out there.... how was the IBD confirmed?  My Boo had horrible diarrhea for the longest time (prior to the heart disease diagnosis) and we found her B-12 level was almost non-existent.  With B-12 injections over the course of several months we were able to get her B-12 back to normal and it has stayed there without any further supplement.  Most importantly, her diarrhea has been long gone.  It is a separate blood test so figured I'd mention it.  May be worth having done to rule that cause out.

          Best,
          Laurie and Boo



          --- On Sat, 11/17/12, Ruth C <ruthc.1000@...> wrote:

          From: Ruth C <ruthc.1000@...>
          Subject: [FH] question re amoxicilin and heart disease/ re newly diagnosed cat
          To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Saturday, November 17, 2012, 6:26 AM
















           









          Hi Rose

          no, she was not seen by any specialist.

          she has been ill this week, they think with a urinary tract infection plus

          her colitis worse, we cant settle her tummy lately. she was given

          antibiotic injection for this, as usual, and the next day she had a funny

          turn. looked like in pain or eyes looked funny, was shaking/trembling and

          looked out of it, then she tried to walk but was wobbly and didnt get far,

          adn then she just lay down very still for ages not moving and not

          responding. so the vet came and took her for blood tests, the tests were

          fine but when they listened to her heart they said there is a sound that

          wasnt there before, 3 vets have heard it. adn that this means somthing is

          wrong. the first vet called it a murmur. but when her own vet spoke to me

          and heard it she said it is a gallup sound and that this means that

          somthign is definately wrong. (to do with the valves not closing right time

          or somthing?) as i know a murmur can be innocent but this sound was new to

          the vets with my cat so they say somthign changed with her heart.

          i am very worried.

          the vet was not intending to do more tests i dotn think. and made it sound

          like nothing they can do for heart disease much. she said they dont tend to

          do very well. i am in the UK. i never heard of cats seeing a cardiologist

          specialist . did not know there was that for cats.

          she looks reasonably ok since, at the moment.



          Ruth

















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        • Ruth C
          Following on from my questions about my cat.. can anyone tell me is there a definate problem with steroid/ or dexamethasone injections and cats with heart
          Message 4 of 7 , Nov 18, 2012
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            Following on from my questions about my cat..
            can anyone tell me is there a definate problem with steroid/ or
            dexamethasone injections and cats with heart problems?
            does it depend on the type of heart problem?
            im very worried as we were going to probably try her on a steroid next few
            weeks if her gut probs wont stabalise, but now they foudn the heart prob
            (just heard the gallop rythm on her) i am worried now abotu the drugs they
            use on her for her ibd. and steroids were next. but read somewhere now that
            steroid can bring on heart failure in a cat?! does anyone know if this is
            true? or what the issues are?
            thanks
            Ruth

            On 18 November 2012 12:12, <Elfinmyst@...> wrote:

            > **
            >
            > Hi Ruth,
            >
            > If your own vets do an ultrsound that's great. Just be careful they have a
            > qualified cardiologist to do it, as they can read the scans better. I`m not
            > sure why they didn't recommend and echo, it's possible they didn't really
            > know they were available, it's quite a recent development but they're
            > country wide now and it tells you on the same day exactly what's wrong and
            > what treatment is needed.
            >
            > sorry large font, not sure how that happens...
            >
            > :) Lyn
            >


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          • Laurie Stead
            Hi Ruth, I am replying with your message to the entire group as I don t want to miss any information that could be helpful to you. Makes it tough being so far
            Message 5 of 7 , Nov 18, 2012
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              Hi Ruth,

              I am replying with your message to the entire group as I don't want to miss any information that could be helpful to you.

              Makes it tough being so far away as I understand not wanting to stress her out.  If you are unable to have the ultrasound done to confirm heart disease, I would just be sure to keep an eye on her breathing. Any distress could be indication of heart failure. 

              Hopefully she doesn't have heart disease but since it can't be ruled out,  be sure she is not given steroids and continue to monitor her breathing.

              Best,
              Laurie

              --- On Sat, 11/17/12, Ruth C <ruthc.1000@...> wrote:

              From: Ruth C
              <ruthc.1000@...>
              Subject: Re: [FH] question re amoxicilin and heart disease/ re newly diagnosed cat
              To: "Laurie Stead" <kittykatwhiskas@...>
              Date: Saturday, November 17, 2012, 2:36 PM

              HI Laurie
              i looked online and the two listed in my county are quite a drive a way. it wd worry me to taek my cat that far, the stress of journey i mean.
              will check how far but im sure it is maybe an hour drive.
              and they told me not to stress her. well that woudl stress her alot.

              my vets are good.
              i am thiking of speaking to a homeopathic vet but that was before they found this, it was to see if he had any more holistic advice abotu her diet and ibd to help,
              i prob cant afford him to coem here either but will check i hav to talk to him

              but the heart thing tehy only just picked up on.
              they dont know if that is waht caused the funny turn
              (she had been in litter tray, and i noticed her on the bed, looked in pain, at least her eyes were squinting, and she was shaking/trembling kind of. she looked out of a bit and was not respondign quite as usual . she then tried to move a few mins later, and had probs, was wobbly and looked weak tired, and a bit confused and maybe disorientated even, it is hard to know. she then thought better of moving and flopped down on the bed and just lay really still for ages liek goign to sleep but very unresponsive, and her eyes a bit open. i do nt think seh was unconsious but not sure how to know for sure.her breathign looked regular and normal when she was lyign there)

              vets mentioned seizure, or type of faint perhaps, tehy really dont know wat it was though.
              and it is hard to describe.
              vet got here about myabe an hour later and she looked fairly normalish then, got up etc walking hesitantly but ok.

              they took her for bloods then, and the bloods all normal. they did electrolytes etc, liver kidneys etc, her blood sugar they said a bit high but cd hav been the stress
              i also noticed when she was lyign there still she had a funny smell abotu her that i didnt recognise.

              vet also asked cd she hav been in contact wiv any toxins (think they were thinking of transient neruo symptoms)
              anyway they only picked upt hte heart noiise as examined her cos of this.
              she is being treated wiv abs at mo for urine infection possible and now colitis is back, but is improving today.

              the IBD not confiremed as we didnt want to put her through another operation. at her age.
              so cannot get confirmed. we are tryign tto chagne her diet but it is almost imposs now that she has continual gut symptoms.
              it is very hard to cope as im very ill myself too. and hard to know wat to do too.

              also i am on benefits due to illness. so dotn have limitless funds.
              tho i wd do anythign for her.
              i am not sure waht i will do now.
              thanks for all the info. interesting about the b12 , i hav not heard of that as a cause before.

              Ruth

              On 17 November 2012 15:06, Laurie Stead <kittykatwhiskas@...> wrote:
















               









              Hi Ruth,



              Your vet making it sound like there is nothing to do for heart disease is the #1 reason you would see a cardiologist!  A new vet is probably in order too, but one step at a time.  An ultrasound will be done by the cardiologist to confirm and determine the type of heart disease. Once this is known the proper medications will be prescribed.




              So many cats are not diagnosed until they are fighting for their life suffering heart failure.  You have an opportunity to starts meds now, if in fact heart disease is confirmed.  Please don't wait.



              When you say the blood tests were fine, did you get a copy?  If so please include them for the group to review along with the ranges given (each lab differs). The wobbly walking could be from low potassium, so double-check that value on the blood work.




              One last thought just to throw out there.... how was the IBD confirmed?  My Boo had horrible diarrhea for the longest time (prior to the heart disease diagnosis) and we found her B-12 level was almost non-existent.  With B-12 injections over the course of several months we were able to get her B-12 back to normal and it has stayed there without any further supplement.  Most importantly, her diarrhea has been long gone.  It is a separate blood test so figured I'd mention it.  May be worth having done to rule that cause out.




              Best,

              Laurie and Boo



              --- On Sat, 11/17/12, Ruth C <ruthc.1000@...> wrote:



              From: Ruth C <ruthc.1000@...>

              Subject: [FH] question re amoxicilin and heart disease/ re newly diagnosed cat

              To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com

              Date: Saturday, November 17, 2012, 6:26 AM



               



              Hi Rose



              no, she was not seen by any specialist.



              she has been ill this week, they think with a urinary tract infection plus



              her colitis worse, we cant settle her tummy lately. she was given



              antibiotic injection for this, as usual, and the next day she had a funny



              turn. looked like in pain or eyes looked funny, was shaking/trembling and



              looked out of it, then she tried to walk but was wobbly and didnt get far,



              adn then she just lay down very still for ages not moving and not



              responding. so the vet came and took her for blood tests, the tests were



              fine but when they listened to her heart they said there is a sound that



              wasnt there before, 3 vets have heard it. adn that this means somthing is



              wrong. the first vet called it a murmur. but when her own vet spoke to me



              and heard it she said it is a gallup sound and that this means that



              somthign is definately wrong. (to do with the valves not closing right time



              or somthing?) as i know a murmur can be innocent but this sound was new to



              the vets with my cat so they say somthign changed with her heart.



              i am very worried.



              the vet was not intending to do more tests i dotn think. and made it sound



              like nothing they can do for heart disease much. she said they dont tend to



              do very well. i am in the UK. i never heard of cats seeing a cardiologist



              specialist . did not know there was that for cats.



              she looks reasonably ok since, at the moment.



              Ruth




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            • elfinmyst@aol.com
              Hi Steroids are not good for cats with heart disease. They can increase the amount of fluid into the lungs and start heart failure. There are several cats on
              Message 6 of 7 , Nov 18, 2012
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                Hi

                Steroids are not good for cats with heart disease. They can increase the
                amount of fluid into the lungs and start heart failure. There are several
                cats on this list who presented with heart failure when they were given a
                steroid injection. However, if there is no other choice but a steroid, it is a
                balancing act. My Tess had HCM and severe arthiritis and other problems.
                She had to have daily steroids. But without them her quality of life would
                have been poor. So unless it is vital, avoid steroids completely.


                Lyn

                _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)

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