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  • jakemcconn
    My precious Hannie is not doing well at all. She is on a e-tube, but she used to eat a little on her own. She s isn t anymore. Her PCV has gone back up to
    Message 1 of 5 , Oct 2, 2012
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      My precious Hannie is not doing well at all. She is on a e-tube, but she used to eat a little on her own. She's isn't anymore. Her PCV has gone back up to 30% from 20% which is great, but she just seems to never be feeling good anymore. I used to give her back massages and tummy rubs after feedings, but she has begun this hard, wet-sounding purr that leads to open mouth breathing & a hard breathing on the exhale. But only when she purrs. The vet checked her on Saturday and she has no fluid in her lungs, but her blood pressure was a little high. She does has a 2/6 systolic heart murmur, an enlarged heart, stage 3 kidney failure, controlled high blood pressure. And now my little cuddle-bunny won't sleep with me anymore. She used to sleep either in my arms or on the pillow by my head, purring all night. Now she won't stay in bed with me or if she does for a few minutes, she suddenly gets up and gets off as fast as she can. I can only imagine how confusing & scary it must be for her - something that used to soother her and make her feel better - purring, now hurts her. Now this morning she was laying behind the nightstand (I have put a bed and comforter back there for her) and when I went to check on her several times, she was purring and mouth breathing without me even touching her. I wonder if she is trying to soothe herself. I am making an appt with a cardiologist, but I don't know how soon I can get in. She is such a sweetie when she is at the vet, but even if she gets an echo, will that only name whatever she has or change her treatment plan? I guess that's something I need to ask the cardiologist. She takes amlodipine for her blood pressure, but I am wondering if an ACE inhibitor might be better. I even gave her a little Buprenex, but all that did was make her spacey. I feel like my time with my little girl, my little love might be coming to an end in the near future. It's so unfair - her anemia is under control, she was nicely hydrated at the vet, she has gained about 6 oz in a week, but she's just not feeling well. God, I hate this. I've lost two dogs and two cats in the last 36 months and knowing that she is possibly near the end too is almost more than I can begin to bear. I don't know if I am keeping her alive at this point for me or prolonging her death, not her life. She is keeping her food down, was enjoying the warmth on the enclosed patio and was only mouth breathing when purring when I petted her. I'm going home at lunch to see how she is doing. I know no one can me what to do. Her sister Cougar was euthanized on 6/16 because she just couldn't get enough air into her even with all the meds she was taking. She would have episodes every couple of days where she couldn't catch her breath, but it was over quickly before I could even get her in the carrier to go to the emergency vet. But she was so terrified when it happened that I knew I she had no quality of life & I didn't want her to die by suffocation. I don't think Hannie is ready to go or is it that I don't want Hannie to go? My supervisor at work, when she discovered me crying at my desk, asked me what was wrong. When I told her about Hannah, she asked me "Are you going to let this cat go or are you going to make her suffer too?" I know Hannah is not feeling well, I know she probably doesn't have much longer, but am I making her suffer needlessly? I've been telling her she can't leave me, that I love her too much but finally today I told her if she was ready to leave, that as hard as it would be, I would let her go. But I lied, I can't let her go.
    • Westgold
      you need to see the cardiologist immediately -- then you will be able to make an informed decision concerning her future. Your own vet cannot give you the
      Message 2 of 5 , Oct 2, 2012
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        you need to see the cardiologist immediately -- then you will be able to make an informed decision concerning her future. Your own vet cannot give you the correct exact status of her heart. It sounds like she has fluid on her lungs, which is very painful -- is she on any diuretics? She needs to the see the cardiologist immediately, she might be suffering, you can't allow that to continue.
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        From: jakemcconn
        To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:48 PM
        Subject: [FH] What's best for Hannie? Very long



        My precious Hannie is not doing well at all. She is on a e-tube, but she used to eat a little on her own. She's isn't anymore. Her PCV has gone back up to 30% from 20% which is great, but she just seems to never be feeling good anymore. I used to give her back massages and tummy rubs after feedings, but she has begun this hard, wet-sounding purr that leads to open mouth breathing & a hard breathing on the exhale. But only when she purrs. The vet checked her on Saturday and she has no fluid in her lungs, but her blood pressure was a little high. She does has a 2/6 systolic heart murmur, an enlarged heart, stage 3 kidney failure, controlled high blood pressure. And now my little cuddle-bunny won't sleep with me anymore. She used to sleep either in my arms or on the pillow by my head, purring all night. Now she won't stay in bed with me or if she does for a few minutes, she suddenly gets up and gets off as fast as she can. I can only imagine how confusing &a mp; scary it must be for her - something that used to soother her and make her feel better - purring, now hurts her. Now this morning she was laying behind the nightstand (I have put a bed and comforter back there for her) and when I went to check on her several times, she was purring and mouth breathing without me even touching her. I wonder if she is trying to soothe herself. I am making an appt with a cardiologist, but I don't know how soon I can get in. She is such a sweetie when she is at the vet, but even if she gets an echo, will that only name whatever she has or change her treatment plan? I guess that's something I need to ask the cardiologist. She takes amlodipine for her blood pressure, but I am wondering if an ACE inhibitor might be better. I even gave her a little Buprenex, but all that did was make her spacey. I feel like my time with my little girl, my little love might be coming to an end in the near future. It's so unfair - her anemia is under control, she was nicely hydrated at the vet, she has gained about 6 oz in a week, but she's just not feeling well. God, I hate this. I've lost two dogs and two cats in the last 36 months and knowing that she is possibly near the end too is almost more than I can begin to bear. I don't know if I am keeping her alive at this point for me or prolonging her death, not her life. She is keeping her food down, was enjoying the warmth on the enclosed patio and was only mouth breathing when purring when I petted her. I'm going home at lunch to see how she is doing. I know no one can me what to do. Her sister Cougar was euthanized on 6/16 because she just couldn't get enough air into her even with all the meds she was taking. She would have episodes every couple of days where she couldn't catch her breath, but it was over quickly before I could even get her in the carrier to go to the emergency vet. But she was so terrified when it happened that I knew I she had no quality of life & I didn't want her to die by suffocation. I don't think Hannie is ready to go or is it that I don't want Hannie to go? My supervisor at work, when she discovered me crying at my desk, asked me what was wrong. When I told her about Hannah, she asked me "Are you going to let this cat go or are you going to make her suffer too?" I know Hannah is not feeling well, I know she probably doesn't have much longer, but am I making her suffer needlessly? I've been telling her she can't leave me, that I love her too much but finally today I told her if she was ready to leave, that as hard as it would be, I would let her go. But I lied, I can't let her go.





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      • Laurie Stead
        First off, your supervisor is a jerk, how insensitive!! I worked with some people just like that.  Not many understand what our babies truly mean to us.  Who
        Message 3 of 5 , Oct 2, 2012
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          First off, your supervisor is a jerk, how insensitive!! I worked with some people just like that.  Not many understand what our babies truly mean to us.  Who knows Hannie better than her momma?  You will know when it is time, she will let you know. 

          That being said, the open mouth breathing is of concern.  Can you take her resting respiratory rate?  Anything over 40 is an emergency.  Is she on lasix or any type of diuretic?

          As for the purring without you touching her, my little girl does the same. They are so happy to see you they start purring right away, which intensifies when touched.

          Have you joined the CRF support group?  If not, I think you should ask their advice too.  Feline CRF support group (Feline-CRF-Support@yahoogroups.com).  This group can really help you with the kidney end of things.  They have a lot more people in that group and amazing knowledge. 

          I understand how heartbreaking it is to see our babies sick.  Just remember they sense our stress and fear.  You are doing an amazing job caring for her and don't doubt yourself.  I would get into the cardiologist as soon as you can.

          Praying for your Hannie, and for you.

          Laurie and Boo




          --- On Tue, 10/2/12, jakemcconn <mprofant60@...> wrote:

          From: jakemcconn <mprofant60@...>
          Subject: [FH] What's best for Hannie? Very long
          To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 12:48 PM
















           









          My precious Hannie is not doing well at all. She is on a e-tube, but she used to eat a little on her own. She's isn't anymore. Her PCV has gone back up to 30% from 20% which is great, but she just seems to never be feeling good anymore. I used to give her back massages and tummy rubs after feedings, but she has begun this hard, wet-sounding purr that leads to open mouth breathing & a hard breathing on the exhale. But only when she purrs. The vet checked her on Saturday and she has no fluid in her lungs, but her blood pressure was a little high. She does has a 2/6 systolic heart murmur, an enlarged heart, stage 3 kidney failure, controlled high blood pressure. And now my little cuddle-bunny won't sleep with me anymore. She used to sleep either in my arms or on the pillow by my head, purring all night. Now she won't stay in bed with me or if she does for a few minutes, she suddenly gets up and gets off as fast as she can. I can only
          imagine how confusing & scary it must be for her - something that used to soother her and make her feel better - purring, now hurts her. Now this morning she was laying behind the nightstand (I have put a bed and comforter back there for her) and when I went to check on her several times, she was purring and mouth breathing without me even touching her. I wonder if she is trying to soothe herself. I am making an appt with a cardiologist, but I don't know how soon I can get in. She is such a sweetie when she is at the vet, but even if she gets an echo, will that only name whatever she has or change her treatment plan? I guess that's something I need to ask the cardiologist. She takes amlodipine for her blood pressure, but I am wondering if an ACE inhibitor might be better. I even gave her a little Buprenex, but all that did was make her spacey. I feel like my time with my little girl, my little love might be coming to an end in the near future.
          It's so unfair - her anemia is under control, she was nicely hydrated at the vet, she has gained about 6 oz in a week, but she's just not feeling well. God, I hate this. I've lost two dogs and two cats in the last 36 months and knowing that she is possibly near the end too is almost more than I can begin to bear. I don't know if I am keeping her alive at this point for me or prolonging her death, not her life. She is keeping her food down, was enjoying the warmth on the enclosed patio and was only mouth breathing when purring when I petted her. I'm going home at lunch to see how she is doing. I know no one can me what to do. Her sister Cougar was euthanized on 6/16 because she just couldn't get enough air into her even with all the meds she was taking. She would have episodes every couple of days where she couldn't catch her breath, but it was over quickly before I could even get her in the carrier to go to the emergency vet. But she was so
          terrified when it happened that I knew I she had no quality of life & I didn't want her to die by suffocation. I don't think Hannie is ready to go or is it that I don't want Hannie to go? My supervisor at work, when she discovered me crying at my desk, asked me what was wrong. When I told her about Hannah, she asked me "Are you going to let this cat go or are you going to make her suffer too?" I know Hannah is not feeling well, I know she probably doesn't have much longer, but am I making her suffer needlessly? I've been telling her she can't leave me, that I love her too much but finally today I told her if she was ready to leave, that as hard as it would be, I would let her go. But I lied, I can't let her go.




















































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        • Michelle
          She is not only any diuretic due to her CRF, but I have (on my vet s recommendation) reduced her daily subqs from 100 to 75 which hasn t made any difference.
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            She is not only any diuretic due to her CRF, but I have (on my vet's recommendation) reduced her daily subqs from 100 to 75 which hasn't made any difference. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good feline cardiologist in Southern California?


            thank you


            "Compassion for animals is intimately associated with goodness of character, and it may be confidently asserted that he, who is cruel to living creatures, cannot be a good man."
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          • Jordan
            I am sorry to hear about your Hannah. I live in the Southern California (Ontario, CA) and my cardiologist is Dr. Bill Herndon with California Vet Specialists.
            Message 5 of 5 , Oct 2, 2012
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              I am sorry to hear about your Hannah.


              I live in the Southern California (Ontario, CA) and my cardiologist is Dr. Bill Herndon with California Vet Specialists. I like him alot. He is actually based out of San Diego office but sees patients in the Murrietta CA office in Mondays and Tuesday. That is where we see him.


              http://www.californiaveterinaryspecialists.com/services/Cardiology/



              However, friends of mine in Los Angeles see Dr. Zimmerman at the Lawndale, CA office:


              http://www.advancedveterinarycarecenter.com/




              Good luck,
              Jordan and Sheba


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