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  • felinepurrson
    Hi everyone, I m new to this group, found it accidentally online. I wanted to know if anyone has had an experience with this. I have a 17 yo siamese who has
    Message 1 of 8 , May 28, 2012
      Hi everyone,
      I'm new to this group, found it accidentally online. I wanted to know if anyone has had an experience with this. I have a 17 yo siamese who has collapsed and gone into extreme pulmonary distress 3 times in the last few months. Fortunately, I found him in time to get him to a vet, where they gave him lasix and put him on oxygen. After the 1st episode, the emergency vet wasn't sure what was wrong and sent him home. 10 days later it happened again and I took him to a vet school for a complete workup, including bloodwork, x rays, ultrasound and an echocardiogram. They found evidence of heart disease, but couldn't say with certaintly that his heart was causing these events. He was put on vetmedin (pimomendan), and a small dose of lasix every other day and went for 7 weeks without any problems. It happened again yesterday. The vet suggested adding more lasix and enalapril. I don't know what else to do other that hope it never happens when I can't help him. I have oxygen in the house and injectable lasix. Has anyone ever had something like this happen?
      Thank you
    • Laurie Stead
      Kitty needs to see a cardiologist.  After all of those tests including the echo, you should know what you are dealing with.  Vets are not knowledgeable
      Message 2 of 8 , May 28, 2012
        Kitty needs to see a cardiologist.  After all of those tests including the echo, you should know what you are dealing with.  Vets are not knowledgeable enough about heart disease and so you need to see a cardiologist so proper treatment can begin.  It does sound like the initial lasix dosage was too low. What is the current dose now that it has been increased?

        When the collapsing happens is it after napping, immediately after rising?

        Laurie



        --- On Mon, 5/28/12, felinepurrson <afghanlover@...> wrote:

        From: felinepurrson <afghanlover@...>
        Subject: [FH] collapsing kitty
        To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 8:30 PM
















         









        Hi everyone,

        I'm new to this group, found it accidentally online. I wanted to know if anyone has had an experience with this. I have a 17 yo siamese who has collapsed and gone into extreme pulmonary distress 3 times in the last few months. Fortunately, I found him in time to get him to a vet, where they gave him lasix and put him on oxygen. After the 1st episode, the emergency vet wasn't sure what was wrong and sent him home. 10 days later it happened again and I took him to a vet school for a complete workup, including bloodwork, x rays, ultrasound and an echocardiogram. They found evidence of heart disease, but couldn't say with certaintly that his heart was causing these events. He was put on vetmedin (pimomendan), and a small dose of lasix every other day and went for 7 weeks without any problems. It happened again yesterday. The vet suggested adding more lasix and enalapril. I don't know what else to do other that hope it never happens when I can't help him. I
        have oxygen in the house and injectable lasix. Has anyone ever had something like this happen?

        Thank you



























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      • elfinmyst@aol.com
        Hi I am sorry to hear your kitty is unwell. What is his name? He is certainly on the right drugs for heart disease and I have two cats on vetmedin who are
        Message 3 of 8 , May 29, 2012
          Hi

          I am sorry to hear your kitty is unwell. What is his name? He is certainly
          on the right drugs for heart disease and I have two cats on vetmedin who
          are doing very well. Both take enalapril as well. I wonder if he is having
          small blood clots to the lungs and might need something to thin the blood
          like plavix.

          It is also possible if you are in the UK that the recent hot weather has
          pushed him into heart failure once again. I've never had any of my HCM cats
          collapse so this is a new symptom to me. I would almost certainly think it
          was the heart though if there was pulmonary distress.Enalapril is a safe
          drug from my experience and will help his heart relax.

          Lyn

          _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)

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        • Pablo Frank
          you can ask about cialis or viagra: Pulmonary hypertension As well as erectile dysfunction, sildenafil citrate is also effective in the rare disease pulmonary
          Message 4 of 8 , May 29, 2012
            you can ask about cialis or viagra:

            Pulmonary hypertension
            As well as erectile dysfunction, sildenafil citrate is also effective in the rare disease pulmonary arterial hypertension
            (PAH). It relaxes the arterial wall, leading to decreased pulmonary
            arterial resistance and pressure. This, in turn, reduces the workload of
            the right ventricle of the heart and improves symptoms of right-sided heart failure.
            Because PDE-5 is primarily distributed within the arterial wall smooth
            muscle of the lungs and penis, sildenafil acts selectively in both these
            areas without inducing vasodilation in other areas of the body. Pfizer
            submitted an additional registration for sildenafil to the FDA, and
            sildenafil was approved for this indication in June 2005. The
            preparation is named Revatio, to avoid confusion with Viagra, and the
            20-milligram tablets are white and round. Sildenafil joins bosentan and prostacyclin-based therapies for this condition.[6]


            To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
            From: afghanlover@...
            Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 00:30:49 +0000
            Subject: [FH] collapsing kitty


























            Hi everyone,

            I'm new to this group, found it accidentally online. I wanted to know if anyone has had an experience with this. I have a 17 yo siamese who has collapsed and gone into extreme pulmonary distress 3 times in the last few months. Fortunately, I found him in time to get him to a vet, where they gave him lasix and put him on oxygen. After the 1st episode, the emergency vet wasn't sure what was wrong and sent him home. 10 days later it happened again and I took him to a vet school for a complete workup, including bloodwork, x rays, ultrasound and an echocardiogram. They found evidence of heart disease, but couldn't say with certaintly that his heart was causing these events. He was put on vetmedin (pimomendan), and a small dose of lasix every other day and went for 7 weeks without any problems. It happened again yesterday. The vet suggested adding more lasix and enalapril. I don't know what else to do other that hope it never happens when I can't help him. I have oxygen in the house and injectable lasix. Has anyone ever had something like this happen?

            Thank you



















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          • Toby Jones
            Describe collapsing a little bit more.  My cat Eli would fall to the ground and not respond to his name and would appear distant and dizzy .  He would
            Message 5 of 8 , May 29, 2012
              Describe "collapsing" a little bit more.  My cat Eli would fall to the ground and not respond to his name and would appear distant and "dizzy".  He would also clench and unclench his paws.  These "dizzy spells" would last a couple of minutes at a time, and would occur a few times per week (before medication levels were adjusted).

              Ryan



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              From: felinepurrson <afghanlover@...>
              To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 5:30 PM
              Subject: [FH] collapsing kitty


               
              Hi everyone,
              I'm new to this group, found it accidentally online. I wanted to know if anyone has had an experience with this. I have a 17 yo siamese who has collapsed and gone into extreme pulmonary distress 3 times in the last few months. Fortunately, I found him in time to get him to a vet, where they gave him lasix and put him on oxygen. After the 1st episode, the emergency vet wasn't sure what was wrong and sent him home. 10 days later it happened again and I took him to a vet school for a complete workup, including bloodwork, x rays, ultrasound and an echocardiogram. They found evidence of heart disease, but couldn't say with certaintly that his heart was causing these events. He was put on vetmedin (pimomendan), and a small dose of lasix every other day and went for 7 weeks without any problems. It happened again yesterday. The vet suggested adding more lasix and enalapril. I don't know what else to do other that hope it never happens when I can't help him. I
              have oxygen in the house and injectable lasix. Has anyone ever had something like this happen?
              Thank you




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            • Jennifer Holan
              Hi.      Does this kitty have a regular Cardiologist?  It sounds as if he could really use one.       Could you tell us more about these spells? 
              Message 6 of 8 , May 30, 2012
                Hi.
                     Does this kitty have a regular Cardiologist?  It sounds as if he could really use one. 
                     Could you tell us more about these spells?  Could you videotape one of them next time it happens?
                     What kind of followup is planned?
                Jenny

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              • Carol
                If you ll do a search within this group for Mellie collapse you will find some posts from me where I describe Mellie s collapsing episodes back in 2008. The
                Message 7 of 8 , May 30, 2012
                  If you'll do a search within this group for "Mellie collapse" you will find some posts from me where I describe Mellie's collapsing episodes back in 2008. The day of those events she was first diagnosed with syncope (fainting) and later seizure disorder. When we finally got her in with a cardiologist 3 wks later we learned she had suffered a stroke and did not have seizures at all. Vet schools are usually wonderful and we used to always take our cats to the specialists at OSU, then when this happened with Mellie we decided to go instead to a specialty clinic in the same city simply because it wouldn't take the entire day. Come to find out the neuro at OSU had switched to the new specialty clinic! Anyway, Mellie was 16 at the time and she will be 20 in one week! We learned from OSU to always see a board certified specialist in whatever field the problem involves - if it is heart, then see a cardiologist.

                  The cause of Mellie's problem was her very rapid heart rate os 220+. Her regular vet had thought the high rate was due to clinic stress but it was that fast when resting also. Mellie takes atenolol to lower her heart rate plus she also now has high blood pressure so takes amlodipine for that. She takes several other meds but they are for her severe spinal disease, anemia, etc.

                  carol and mellie

                  --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "felinepurrson" <afghanlover@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Hi everyone,
                  > I'm new to this group, found it accidentally online. I wanted to know if anyone has had an experience with this. I have a 17 yo siamese who has collapsed and gone into extreme pulmonary distress 3 times in the last few months. Fortunately, I found him in time to get him to a vet, where they gave him lasix and put him on oxygen. After the 1st episode, the emergency vet wasn't sure what was wrong and sent him home. 10 days later it happened again and I took him to a vet school for a complete workup, including bloodwork, x rays, ultrasound and an echocardiogram. They found evidence of heart disease, but couldn't say with certaintly that his heart was causing these events. He was put on vetmedin (pimomendan), and a small dose of lasix every other day and went for 7 weeks without any problems. It happened again yesterday. The vet suggested adding more lasix and enalapril. I don't know what else to do other that hope it never happens when I can't help him. I have oxygen in the house and injectable lasix. Has anyone ever had something like this happen?
                  > Thank you
                  >
                • Joanne
                  When a cat or person collapses, it s due to a drop in blood pressure, caused either by lack of fluid volume-caused by dehyration,or by loss of blood-or an
                  Message 8 of 8 , May 30, 2012
                    When a cat or person collapses, it's due to a drop in blood pressure, caused either by lack of fluid volume-caused by dehyration,or by loss of blood-or an arythmia or miss beating or ceasing of beating of the heart. A lack of or a drop of blood circulation means that blood isn't circulating through the lungs, picking up oxygen and taking it to organs and tissues. So, it's a lack of oxygen brought on by a lack of blood pressure, brought on by a lack of sufficient heart beat or sufficient fluid in the body. A higher than normal beating of the heart, also an arythmia, and in this case, it's called tachycardia, can also cause collapsing because the heart is working too fast for the body to handle and electrical connections misfire. This is caused by heart damage, high blood pressure, by certain drugs, and for humans-being overweight, using rec drugs and drinking too much and smoking. A fever can also cause the heart to race. You need to know if the heart was beating too fast or not at all and the vet may not be able to tell once the incident if over. But the vet will know-with an echo and blood work-the health of the cat and heart. Is the cat dehydrated? Increase water in food and by mouth or sub q fluids at the vet's. Is the heart diseased? Is there high blood pressure? You'll need to manage with drugs and the vet should give your cat whatever drug is appropriate for whichever symptoms are present. Also, use COQ10 for heart health, and use cat vitamin paste like Excel. Good nutrition is a must. Also, and sad to say, the cat is 17. Senior cats get heart, kidney, thyroid disease in their later years. Your best bet isn't to try to make the issue go away but to manage the results and your cat's comfort. Lasix is for draining extra fluid from the body. Was the cat in congestive heart failure or did it have fluid in the lungs? If not, maybe lasix isn't the right choice. Enalapril will keep blood lines open so that if there's a drop of blood pressure, the heart isn't overworked trying to deal w/the few major veins that remain open while still circulating the pints that are in the body but now travel a much smaller avenue in the body. This will keep down BP and keep the heart from overworking. Atenolol will slow a higher than normal beating heart. Don't use oxygen you have unless you know how much to use and for how long and why your cat would need it. Discuss it w/the vet. You can research online the above meds. If lasix is tolerated, keep it and add enalapril and think about atenolol. Good luck.

                    --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "felinepurrson" <afghanlover@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hi everyone,
                    > I'm new to this group, found it accidentally online. I wanted to know if anyone has had an experience with this. I have a 17 yo siamese who has collapsed and gone into extreme pulmonary distress 3 times in the last few months. Fortunately, I found him in time to get him to a vet, where they gave him lasix and put him on oxygen. After the 1st episode, the emergency vet wasn't sure what was wrong and sent him home. 10 days later it happened again and I took him to a vet school for a complete workup, including bloodwork, x rays, ultrasound and an echocardiogram. They found evidence of heart disease, but couldn't say with certaintly that his heart was causing these events. He was put on vetmedin (pimomendan), and a small dose of lasix every other day and went for 7 weeks without any problems. It happened again yesterday. The vet suggested adding more lasix and enalapril. I don't know what else to do other that hope it never happens when I can't help him. I have oxygen in the house and injectable lasix. Has anyone ever had something like this happen?
                    > Thank you
                    >
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