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  • C.R.
    hi everyone, I had to bring my Puddy, my 10 year old male Manx, to the vet yesterday, because he s been having inappropriate peeing issues, so they re doing a
    Message 1 of 9 , Oct 6, 2011
      hi everyone,

      I had to bring my Puddy, my 10 year old male Manx, to the vet yesterday, because he's been having inappropriate peeing issues, so they're doing a urine culture... but during his exam, the vet told me that she hears a heart murmur in him now. {sigh}

      So many of my cats have had or now do have murmurs and/or HCM, that you think I'd be used to hearing that news by now, but it still shoots fear through me when I hear it.

      I was wondering if anyone was ever told what exactly causes a heart murmur? I asked my vet, but she just said it could be a number of things, even stress. So if it's stress induced murmur, does that mean the heart returns to normal with no murmur when they're not stressed?

      The other thing is how concerned do you have to be when your cat has just a murmur...that it turns into worse heart disease? What have some of you experienced with your murmur only kitties?

      I'd welcome any sharing of info on this. Thanks.

      hugs,
      Carol and Angel Snowball *5/10/91 to 1/1/10*
      & the gang
      http://carolandsteveskitties.shutterfly.com/
    • elfinmyst@aol.com
      Hi Carol As you know I have 18 cats and 11 of them have murmurs but only 6 of them have actual heart disease. They re very common in pedigree cats in my
      Message 2 of 9 , Oct 6, 2011
        Hi Carol

        As you know I have 18 cats and 11 of them have murmurs but only 6 of them
        have actual heart disease. They're very common in pedigree cats in my
        experience and are called innocent murmurs if they're kittens or dynamic innocent
        murmurs as adults. Dynamic means there is a murmur only under stress and 5
        of mine have that. If a dog barks in the waiting room, there is the
        murmur, if relaxed there is none. If every case they have been scanned and found
        no heart disease beyond a flappy mitral valve under stress, where the valve
        just flaps a little more than usual. It causes no issues, won't affect
        lifespan and isnt related to HCM.

        Obviously my heart disease cats are poorly and they also have murmurs but
        there's tend to be grade 3-4 where the innocent ones are 1-3. So don't
        worry, it is worth having the scan for reassurance but you may find it is just a
        flappy valve under stress!

        Hugs Lyn.

        PS: These heart cats choose us, I`m sure.
        _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)

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      • Westgold
        You know how they do a Stress Test on a kitty? They chase them around the office for a minute and get their heart pumping --- then they listen to it. :) ...
        Message 3 of 9 , Oct 6, 2011
          You know how they do a "Stress Test" on a kitty?

          They chase them around the office for a minute and get their heart pumping --- then they listen to it. :)
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          From: elfinmyst@...
          To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:27 PM
          Subject: [FH] Re: Now Puddy



          Hi Carol

          As you know I have 18 cats and 11 of them have murmurs but only 6 of them
          have actual heart disease. They're very common in pedigree cats in my
          experience and are called innocent murmurs if they're kittens or dynamic innocent
          murmurs as adults. Dynamic means there is a murmur only under stress and 5
          of mine have that. If a dog barks in the waiting room, there is the
          murmur, if relaxed there is none. If every case they have been scanned and found
          no heart disease beyond a flappy mitral valve under stress, where the valve
          just flaps a little more than usual. It causes no issues, won't affect
          lifespan and isnt related to HCM.

          Obviously my heart disease cats are poorly and they also have murmurs but
          there's tend to be grade 3-4 where the innocent ones are 1-3. So don't
          worry, it is worth having the scan for reassurance but you may find it is just a
          flappy valve under stress!

          Hugs Lyn.

          PS: These heart cats choose us, I`m sure.
          _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)

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        • Jim Sinclair
          ... Unfortunately, my one experience with Clipsy was that my vet thought she heard a murmur and referred us to a specialist for an echocardiogram, which turned
          Message 4 of 9 , Oct 6, 2011
            On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:26 AM, C.R. <carolroar@...> wrote:

            > The other thing is how concerned do you have to be when your cat has just a murmur...that it turns into worse heart disease? What have some of you experienced with your murmur only kitties?

            Unfortunately, my one experience with Clipsy was that my vet thought
            she heard a murmur and referred us to a specialist for an
            echocardiogram, which turned out to be normal. I was told there was no
            reason for concern. Then the following year Clipsy had what turned out
            to be congestive heart failure, and I rushed her to the emergency
            hospital where I was informed that not only did she have HCM, but it
            was already advanced. Six months later she was dead. I still do not
            quite understand how she went from a normal echocardiogram to advanced
            heart disease so quickly and without any obvious symptoms prior to the
            CHF episode. :-(

            Jim Sinclair  jisincla@...
            www.jimsinclair.org
            http://moosepuppy.petfinder.com
          • Carol
            This is exactly what I worry about with Puddy too. The same thing happend with my angel Snowball. For four years, the cardiologist kept telling us her heart
            Message 5 of 9 , Oct 6, 2011
              This is exactly what I worry about with Puddy too. The same thing happend with my angel Snowball. For four years, the cardiologist kept telling us her heart was okay, only a murmur and very slight HCM that didn't seem to be progressing. She had an ultrasound two months before she passed and they said she was still no change... then the week before she died, she had another one, because she was doing this kind of fainting thing...walk and just lay down, walk and just lay down, like she couldn't take another step. That day the cardiologist, the same one who saw her two months before and for the past years, said she was in "end stage" heart failure, but that he didn't think she was in any immediate danger. Two days later she died from a stroke. So he was wrong... maybe even all along. I don't see how Snowball could go from "mild" HCM and a 3 of 6 murmur two months before to end stage heart failure. Especially when on Christmas day that week, she was fine. On the 25th of December she was fine, a few days later she started the fainting thing or whatever it was, and then on the 30th was when we took her to the vet, and she was gone by Friday, new years day.

              It just seems to be this silent killer that is fine one minute and death the next for some kitties. It was that way with Snowball.

              Carol and the gang

              -----Original Message-----
              From: Jim Sinclair jisincla@...

              I still do not quite understand how she went from a normal echocardiogram to advanced
              eart disease so quickly and without any obvious symptoms prior to the CHF episode. :-(



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            • Carol
              hi Lyn, I hope you re right. I hope Puddy s murmur is just a stress kind. We have a new cardiologist at our internist s practice, so I m going to take Puddy to
              Message 6 of 9 , Oct 7, 2011
                hi Lyn,

                I hope you're right. I hope Puddy's murmur is just a stress kind. We have a new cardiologist at our internist's practice, so I'm going to take Puddy to see him. Hopefully they won't find anything wrong. Puddy has to go to have a dental tomorrow, and of course, I'm worried.

                You're right... I think these heart kitties do find us!

                hugs,
                Carol and the gang









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              • toomany_kittys
                Hi Carol, I hope Puddy s dental goes well and that his heart is fine. I have a cat with Endocarditis and he has a transient heart murmur. He s had a few
                Message 7 of 9 , Oct 7, 2011
                  Hi Carol,
                  I hope Puddy's dental goes well and that his heart is fine. I have a cat with Endocarditis and he has a transient heart murmur. He's had a few cardiac ultrasounds. His heart is still fine 4 years later. Hopefully Puddy will be so lucky!
                  El

                  --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, Carol <carolroar@...> wrote:
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                  > hi Lyn,
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                  > I hope you're right. I hope Puddy's murmur is just a stress kind. We have a new cardiologist at our internist's practice, so I'm going to take Puddy to see him. Hopefully they won't find anything wrong. Puddy has to go to have a dental tomorrow, and of course, I'm worried.
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                  > You're right... I think these heart kitties do find us!
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                  > hugs,
                  > Carol and the gang
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                • Patricia Crawford
                  Bastet was born with congenital heart abnormalities -- a ventricular septal defect (VSD), basically a hole in her septum, the wall dividing the left and right
                  Message 8 of 9 , Oct 7, 2011
                    Bastet was born with congenital heart abnormalities -- a ventricular septal defect (VSD), basically a hole in her septum, the wall dividing the left and right ventricles of the heart. So by the time I adopted her at 9 months she had a stage 6 heart murmur and dilated cardiomyopathy that developed into congestive heart failure about three years ago. She had a cardiac ultrasound when it first became available, and continued to have them every year. But when she started getting inappetant, they did another and the deterioration between May and September was profound.

                    I developed a heart murmur after rheumatic fever in childhood, caused by a scarring (narrowing) a heart valve from the infection.

                    I had no idea murmurs could be caused by stress but that doesn't surprise me in the least.

                    Pat


                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "C.R." <carolroar@...>
                    Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011 8:27 am
                    Subject: [FH] Now Puddy
                    To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com

                    > hi everyone,
                    >
                    > I had to bring my Puddy, my 10 year old male Manx, to the vet
                    > yesterday, because he's been having inappropriate peeing issues,
                    > so they're doing a urine culture... but during his exam, the vet
                    > told me that she hears a heart murmur in him now. {sigh}
                    >
                    > So many of my cats have had or now do have murmurs and/or HCM,
                    > that you think I'd be used to hearing that news by now, but it
                    > still shoots fear through me when I hear it.
                    >
                    > I was wondering if anyone was ever told what exactly causes a
                    > heart murmur? I asked my vet, but she just said it could
                    > be a number of things, even stress. So if it's stress
                    > induced murmur, does that mean the heart returns to normal with
                    > no murmur when they're not stressed?
                    >
                    > The other thing is how concerned do you have to be when your cat
                    > has just a murmur...that it turns into worse heart
                    > disease? What have some of you experienced with your
                    > murmur only kitties?
                    >
                    > I'd welcome any sharing of info on this. Thanks.
                    >
                    > hugs,
                    > Carol and Angel Snowball *5/10/91 to 1/1/10*
                    > & the gang
                    > http://carolandsteveskitties.shutterfly.com/
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >


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                  • christine french
                    Hi carol I hope puddys dental goes well today Best wishes Christina n karma
                    Message 9 of 9 , Oct 8, 2011
                      Hi carol
                      I hope puddys dental goes well today
                      Best wishes
                      Christina n karma
                      On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 08:26 BST Carol wrote:

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                      >hi Lyn,
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                      >I hope you're right. I hope Puddy's murmur is just a stress kind. We have a new cardiologist at our internist's practice, so I'm going to take Puddy to see him. Hopefully they won't find anything wrong. Puddy has to go to have a dental tomorrow, and of course, I'm worried.
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                      >You're right... I think these heart kitties do find us!
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                      >hugs,
                      >Carol and the gang
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