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RE: [feline-heart] endocarditis-I'm clueless

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  • Jonathan Rosenberg
    ... I know very little about this, except that it implies an infection (bacterial?) of the heart (usually the vales, I think). ... I m a real amateur here, but
    Message 1 of 6 , Jun 8, 2000
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: gran_patti [mailto:gran_patti@...]
      > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:05 PM
      > To: feline-heart@egroups.com
      > Subject: [feline-heart] endocarditis-I'm clueless

      > Hello folks, I am feeling very worried. They have suggested
      > that Lilli may have endocarditis. Does anyone know anything
      > about endocarditis?

      I know very little about this, except that it implies an infection
      (bacterial?) of the heart (usually the vales, I think).

      > I have to keep her on her antibiotic, Baytril. I don't know what its
      > symptoms are, whether it is life threatening, how it compromises the
      > other systems. If anyone has any thoughts could you post please.

      I'm a real amateur here, but I believe the risk is that the bacteria could
      damage parts of the heart (frequently valves).

      > Thank you Patti and Lilli I do know one thing. It is more likely to
      > occur in a heart which has valve problems. My vet says it is very
      > difficult to prove it by blood samples. He said that unless you take
      > the sample when the cat is very full of the bacteria, eg very sick, the
      > bacteria just wont' show up and you will get false negatives. He
      > said those tests are expensive $70.00 a test. He said the echo
      > could give some definitive information if the edges of the valve
      > looks "vegetative" whatever that means.

      I'm guessing that they can "see" the bacteria on the valves (or maybe the
      waste products, or similar).

      > I am going to call the
      > Ultrasound dr. in the a.m. Is ultrasound the same as echo?

      Yes, they are the same.

      > This
      > is a new world of new languages. Can endocarditis be cured?
      > Completely cured? Or is is a chronic condition for which she
      > will have to take antibiotics for the rest of her life? Will the
      > antibiotics eventually loose their potency or will she develop
      > resistant bacteria to the antibiotic? If anyone knows anything
      > please post.

      I'm on shaky ground here, but I think the key is to kill the bacteria before
      they do too much damage. I think that it can be cured, but the cat is
      likely to be susceptible to future infections. This might require
      maintenance doses of antibiotic. I can't imgaine that resistance is a
      serious consideration, since there are lots of antibiotics to choose from
      today.

      Lilli will be in my prayers. Please let us know what you find out.

      > Thank you.
      > Patti

      --
      JR
      & Tabby (RB), Licorice, Tigger, Lynx
    • Bogdan Bilyk
      Ok Patti, Since endocarditis is a bacterial infection that can damage or destroy heart valves, you have to use an anti-bacterial to get rid of it. The safest
      Message 2 of 6 , Jun 9, 2000
        Ok Patti,
        Since endocarditis is a bacterial infection that can damage or destroy heart
        valves, you have to use an anti-bacterial to get rid of it. The safest
        anti-bacterial that I have found to be useful in treating animals is Silver
        Colloid. You can either buy it at a health food store or buy a machine to
        make your own from:
        The Heritage Institute
        629 County Rd G
        Hancock, WI 54943
        715-249-5709
        You can safely add the silver colloid to their drinking water and they will
        not reject it because of any taste problems. It is tasteless. Silver colloid
        kills hundreds of different types of viruses and bacteria. If you buy the
        machine to make your own, you can also make Silver Colloid for yourself and
        help yourself to keep from getting sick during cold and flu season. Another
        item which also kills bacteria and viruses is garlic. Crush up some fresh
        garlic and mix it into your cat's food. Still another substance that is
        useful is Olive Leaf Extract. You can also mix that into the food. You can
        buy it at your local health food store. It prevents bacteria and viruses
        from replicating. The good thing about the silver colloid, garlic and olive
        leaf extracts is that bacteria and viruses do not become used to these
        substances and develop a tolerance to them, unlike artificial drugs. Good
        luck to you and your kitty, alchemist100



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      • Beverly A Ford
        Endocarditis is an inflammation of the lining about the heart. It is usually caused by an infection and that is why antibiotics are given. If treated correctly
        Message 3 of 6 , Jun 9, 2000
          Endocarditis is an inflammation of the lining about the heart. It is usually
          caused by an infection and that is why antibiotics are given. If treated
          correctly it will go away and not leave any permanet damage. It could
          become chronic if treatment wasn't begun early.
        • gran_patti
          thank you Beverly. I am feeling a bit calmer now and I appreciate your input. I am not sure, and neither is the vet just how long she has had it, if in fact
          Message 4 of 6 , Jun 9, 2000
            thank you Beverly. I am feeling a bit calmer now and I appreciate your
            input. I am not sure, and neither is the vet just how long she has had it,
            if in fact she does. I would guess about 3 months before the first baytril
            treatment, for a fever of unknown origin. She ran the ten day course of
            tablets and about3 weeks later maybe more maybe less I can't quite remember
            she developed another elevated wbc and lethargy which again was treated with
            Bayrtril almost 3 days after the treatment was started she was feeling
            better, vet says to keep her on baytril at least until I can get her
            ultrasound reread by the specialist who did it. Thanks again. Lilli sends
            her best purrs Patti
            ----- Original Message -----
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            Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 7:43 AM
            Subject: Re: [feline-heart] endocarditis-I'm clueless


            > Endocarditis is an inflammation of the lining about the heart. It is
            usually
            > caused by an infection and that is why antibiotics are given. If treated
            > correctly it will go away and not leave any permanet damage. It could
            > become chronic if treatment wasn't begun early.
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          • Beverly A Ford
            Patti, I am glad you feel better about Lilli s health. Bev ... From: gran_patti To: Sent: Friday, June 09,
            Message 5 of 6 , Jun 9, 2000
              Patti,
              I am glad you feel better about Lilli's health.
              Bev

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: gran_patti <gran_patti@...>
              To: <feline-heart@egroups.com>
              Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 8:56 PM
              Subject: Re: [feline-heart] endocarditis-I'm clueless


              > thank you Beverly. I am feeling a bit calmer now and I appreciate your
              > input. I am not sure, and neither is the vet just how long she has had
              it,
              > if in fact she does. I would guess about 3 months before the first
              baytril
              > treatment, for a fever of unknown origin. She ran the ten day course of
              > tablets and about3 weeks later maybe more maybe less I can't quite
              remember
              > she developed another elevated wbc and lethargy which again was treated
              with
              > Bayrtril almost 3 days after the treatment was started she was feeling
              > better, vet says to keep her on baytril at least until I can get her
              > ultrasound reread by the specialist who did it. Thanks again. Lilli
              sends
              > her best purrs Patti
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "Beverly A Ford" <baford@...>
              > To: <feline-heart@egroups.com>
              > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 7:43 AM
              > Subject: Re: [feline-heart] endocarditis-I'm clueless
              >
              >
              > > Endocarditis is an inflammation of the lining about the heart. It is
              > usually
              > > caused by an infection and that is why antibiotics are given. If treated
              > > correctly it will go away and not leave any permanet damage. It could
              > > become chronic if treatment wasn't begun early.
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