Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.

endocarditis-I'm clueless

Expand Messages
  • gran_patti
    Hello folks, I am feeling very worried. They have suggested that Lilli may have endocarditis. Does anyone know anything about endocarditis? I have to keep
    Message 1 of 6 , Jun 8, 2000
    • 0 Attachment
      Hello folks, I am feeling very worried. They have suggested that Lilli may have endocarditis. Does anyone know anything about endocarditis? I have to keep her on her antibiotic, Baytril. I don't know what its symptoms are, whether it is life threatening, how it compromises the other systems. If anyone has any thoughts could you post please. Thank you Patti and Lilli I do know one thing. It is more likely to occur in a heart which has valve problems. My vet says it is very difficult to prove it by blood samples. He said that unless you take the sample when the cat is very full of the bacteria, eg very sick, the bacteria just wont' show up and you will get false negatives. He said those tests are expensive $70.00 a test. He said the echo could give some definitive information if the edges of the valve looks "vegetative" whatever that means. I am going to call the Ultrasound dr. in the a.m. Is ultrasound the same as echo? This is a new world of new languages. Can endocarditis be cured? Completely cured? Or is is a chronic condition for which she will have to take antibiotics for the rest of her life? Will the antibiotics eventually loose their potency or will she develop resistant bacteria to the antibiotic? If anyone knows anything please post. Thank you. Patti


      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    • Jonathan Rosenberg
      ... I know very little about this, except that it implies an infection (bacterial?) of the heart (usually the vales, I think). ... I m a real amateur here, but
      Message 2 of 6 , Jun 8, 2000
      • 0 Attachment
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: gran_patti [mailto:gran_patti@...]
        > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:05 PM
        > To: feline-heart@egroups.com
        > Subject: [feline-heart] endocarditis-I'm clueless

        > Hello folks, I am feeling very worried. They have suggested
        > that Lilli may have endocarditis. Does anyone know anything
        > about endocarditis?

        I know very little about this, except that it implies an infection
        (bacterial?) of the heart (usually the vales, I think).

        > I have to keep her on her antibiotic, Baytril. I don't know what its
        > symptoms are, whether it is life threatening, how it compromises the
        > other systems. If anyone has any thoughts could you post please.

        I'm a real amateur here, but I believe the risk is that the bacteria could
        damage parts of the heart (frequently valves).

        > Thank you Patti and Lilli I do know one thing. It is more likely to
        > occur in a heart which has valve problems. My vet says it is very
        > difficult to prove it by blood samples. He said that unless you take
        > the sample when the cat is very full of the bacteria, eg very sick, the
        > bacteria just wont' show up and you will get false negatives. He
        > said those tests are expensive $70.00 a test. He said the echo
        > could give some definitive information if the edges of the valve
        > looks "vegetative" whatever that means.

        I'm guessing that they can "see" the bacteria on the valves (or maybe the
        waste products, or similar).

        > I am going to call the
        > Ultrasound dr. in the a.m. Is ultrasound the same as echo?

        Yes, they are the same.

        > This
        > is a new world of new languages. Can endocarditis be cured?
        > Completely cured? Or is is a chronic condition for which she
        > will have to take antibiotics for the rest of her life? Will the
        > antibiotics eventually loose their potency or will she develop
        > resistant bacteria to the antibiotic? If anyone knows anything
        > please post.

        I'm on shaky ground here, but I think the key is to kill the bacteria before
        they do too much damage. I think that it can be cured, but the cat is
        likely to be susceptible to future infections. This might require
        maintenance doses of antibiotic. I can't imgaine that resistance is a
        serious consideration, since there are lots of antibiotics to choose from
        today.

        Lilli will be in my prayers. Please let us know what you find out.

        > Thank you.
        > Patti

        --
        JR
        & Tabby (RB), Licorice, Tigger, Lynx
      • Bogdan Bilyk
        Ok Patti, Since endocarditis is a bacterial infection that can damage or destroy heart valves, you have to use an anti-bacterial to get rid of it. The safest
        Message 3 of 6 , Jun 9, 2000
        • 0 Attachment
          Ok Patti,
          Since endocarditis is a bacterial infection that can damage or destroy heart
          valves, you have to use an anti-bacterial to get rid of it. The safest
          anti-bacterial that I have found to be useful in treating animals is Silver
          Colloid. You can either buy it at a health food store or buy a machine to
          make your own from:
          The Heritage Institute
          629 County Rd G
          Hancock, WI 54943
          715-249-5709
          You can safely add the silver colloid to their drinking water and they will
          not reject it because of any taste problems. It is tasteless. Silver colloid
          kills hundreds of different types of viruses and bacteria. If you buy the
          machine to make your own, you can also make Silver Colloid for yourself and
          help yourself to keep from getting sick during cold and flu season. Another
          item which also kills bacteria and viruses is garlic. Crush up some fresh
          garlic and mix it into your cat's food. Still another substance that is
          useful is Olive Leaf Extract. You can also mix that into the food. You can
          buy it at your local health food store. It prevents bacteria and viruses
          from replicating. The good thing about the silver colloid, garlic and olive
          leaf extracts is that bacteria and viruses do not become used to these
          substances and develop a tolerance to them, unlike artificial drugs. Good
          luck to you and your kitty, alchemist100



          ________________________________________________________________________
          Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
        • Beverly A Ford
          Endocarditis is an inflammation of the lining about the heart. It is usually caused by an infection and that is why antibiotics are given. If treated correctly
          Message 4 of 6 , Jun 9, 2000
          • 0 Attachment
            Endocarditis is an inflammation of the lining about the heart. It is usually
            caused by an infection and that is why antibiotics are given. If treated
            correctly it will go away and not leave any permanet damage. It could
            become chronic if treatment wasn't begun early.
          • gran_patti
            thank you Beverly. I am feeling a bit calmer now and I appreciate your input. I am not sure, and neither is the vet just how long she has had it, if in fact
            Message 5 of 6 , Jun 9, 2000
            • 0 Attachment
              thank you Beverly. I am feeling a bit calmer now and I appreciate your
              input. I am not sure, and neither is the vet just how long she has had it,
              if in fact she does. I would guess about 3 months before the first baytril
              treatment, for a fever of unknown origin. She ran the ten day course of
              tablets and about3 weeks later maybe more maybe less I can't quite remember
              she developed another elevated wbc and lethargy which again was treated with
              Bayrtril almost 3 days after the treatment was started she was feeling
              better, vet says to keep her on baytril at least until I can get her
              ultrasound reread by the specialist who did it. Thanks again. Lilli sends
              her best purrs Patti
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Beverly A Ford" <baford@...>
              To: <feline-heart@egroups.com>
              Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 7:43 AM
              Subject: Re: [feline-heart] endocarditis-I'm clueless


              > Endocarditis is an inflammation of the lining about the heart. It is
              usually
              > caused by an infection and that is why antibiotics are given. If treated
              > correctly it will go away and not leave any permanet damage. It could
              > become chronic if treatment wasn't begun early.
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
              > Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving
              > more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long
              Distance
              > rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls!
              > http://click.egroups.com/1/2567/5/_/892589/_/960550892/
              > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
              >
              > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
              > feline-heart-unsubscribe@onelist.com
              >
              >
              >
              >

              _____________________________________________
              NetZero - Defenders of the Free World
              Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email
              http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
            • Beverly A Ford
              Patti, I am glad you feel better about Lilli s health. Bev ... From: gran_patti To: Sent: Friday, June 09,
              Message 6 of 6 , Jun 9, 2000
              • 0 Attachment
                Patti,
                I am glad you feel better about Lilli's health.
                Bev

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: gran_patti <gran_patti@...>
                To: <feline-heart@egroups.com>
                Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 8:56 PM
                Subject: Re: [feline-heart] endocarditis-I'm clueless


                > thank you Beverly. I am feeling a bit calmer now and I appreciate your
                > input. I am not sure, and neither is the vet just how long she has had
                it,
                > if in fact she does. I would guess about 3 months before the first
                baytril
                > treatment, for a fever of unknown origin. She ran the ten day course of
                > tablets and about3 weeks later maybe more maybe less I can't quite
                remember
                > she developed another elevated wbc and lethargy which again was treated
                with
                > Bayrtril almost 3 days after the treatment was started she was feeling
                > better, vet says to keep her on baytril at least until I can get her
                > ultrasound reread by the specialist who did it. Thanks again. Lilli
                sends
                > her best purrs Patti
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Beverly A Ford" <baford@...>
                > To: <feline-heart@egroups.com>
                > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 7:43 AM
                > Subject: Re: [feline-heart] endocarditis-I'm clueless
                >
                >
                > > Endocarditis is an inflammation of the lining about the heart. It is
                > usually
                > > caused by an infection and that is why antibiotics are given. If treated
                > > correctly it will go away and not leave any permanet damage. It could
                > > become chronic if treatment wasn't begun early.
                > >
                > >
                > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                > > Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving
                > > more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long
                > Distance
                > > rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls!
                > > http://click.egroups.com/1/2567/5/_/892589/_/960550892/
                > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                > >
                > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
                > > feline-heart-unsubscribe@onelist.com
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                >
                > _____________________________________________
                > NetZero - Defenders of the Free World
                > Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email
                > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
                >
                > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                > Go to Expedia.com to win airfare to Vegas for you and 20 friends,
                > $15,000 and a suite at Bellagio for New Year's. Or win 2 roundtrip
                > tickets anywhere in the U.S. given away daily. Click here for a chance
                win.
                > http://click.egroups.com/1/5295/5/_/892589/_/960598547/
                > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                >
                > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
                > feline-heart-unsubscribe@onelist.com
                >
                >
                >
                >
              Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.