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URGENT HELP NEEDED FOR RIGSBY

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  • jruthaitken
    Hi everyone Rigsby was doing great until yesterday when he stopped eating as much - he had really picked up from november 5th onwards, eating 60-80g of food
    Message 1 of 5 , Nov 11, 2010
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      Hi everyone

      Rigsby was doing great until yesterday when he stopped eating as much - he had really picked up from november 5th onwards, eating 60-80g of food each day. but he vomited lots of food two days ago (it has some fur in it as he has been biting fur out) and then his breath started to smell badly - like a bad tooth or something. I took him to my local vet today for the PCV test and it is now 28% up from 20% one week ago, so I am assuming this rise is just too fast - 13% in 12 days! anyway, it gets worse - urea is now 45.9, up from 38 and creatinine is 732 (my vets lab) up from 519 (specialist lab which runs lower), glucose 28, up from 13. he was tested 27th october the first time.
      he is now lethargic once more, not leaving the bedroom - trying to eat but not able.
      just to remind everyone, he had first shot of darbepoetin october 29th 6.25mcg - PCV increased from 16 -20% by november 4th - I gave another shot 6.25mcg and it is now 28%. I know from this list and other info it is only supposed to rise at 2-3% a week.

      can the rapid surge in PCV cause other systems to worsen? if so, is this temporary? I am so scared I am going to lose him...again.

      please help!
      I am going to email the specialist now - she is not on clinic this week. any advice would be helpful.

      thank you
      Ruth
    • carolroar@aol.com
      hi Ruth, Are you on the CRF groups? Boy, all these things you re wondering about, they re all the same things that they talk about on the crf groups all the
      Message 2 of 5 , Nov 11, 2010
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        hi Ruth,

        Are you on the CRF groups? Boy, all these things you're wondering about, they're all the same things that they talk about on the crf groups all the time. Here are the links in case you don't have them.

        http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/tanyas-crf-support/
        http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Caring-for-CRF-Felines/
        http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineCRF/

        http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-crf-support/

        When my angel Sweetie was on Epogen, which I know is a little different than the Darbopoetin, her PCV/HCT went up very quickly too. The vets never said that was abnormal, so I'm not sure if Rigsby's going up quickly is or not.

        The bad breath, is it a urine smell? If it is, then it's kidney related. Misty's breath smells like that a lot sometimes. I can't remember if you're giving Rigsby subQ fluids or not. If you're not, then try to get him to drink more fluids...unsalted chicken broth or other unsalted broths. That's what I do for my heart guys if they can't tolerate subQ's. I put a lot of water in their food too. I know if Rigsby isn't eating well, that'd be kind of hard to do, to get him to eat soupy food, but it's worth a try. You can make a really good broth by just putting a piece of chicken or turkey or other meat, in the water and slow boil it till the meat is cooked to the point of falling apart. I use chicken breast because it's less fatty. Strain the broth and use that and if he'll eat it, give him some of the cooked meat too. I put it in my little mini food processor (it's just a kind of chopper thing) with a little of the broth and make my own "baby food" out of it. The seem to like it.

        I hope Rigsby is feeling better. Please do check out the crf groups and ask them about these things. I'm sure there are many there who know so much more than we might her about the crf stuff.

        hugs,
        Carol and Angel Snowball
        and the gang

        Carol and Angel Snowball
        and the gang




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      • Mmayer11
        God! I wish I could help with this, Ruth. I know nothing about this drug. But certainly this change in Rigsby could be attributed to the drug...especially
        Message 3 of 5 , Nov 11, 2010
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          God! I wish I could help with this, Ruth. I know nothing about this drug. But certainly this change in Rigsby could be attributed to the drug...especially since it is meant to raise his numbers, but not this quickly or this high. I hope you will get some good advice from your vets. Do not wait on them. Keep at it, to get answers.
          Good luck and please keep us posted.
          Hugs o Rigsby



          Marianna




          -----Original Message-----
          From: jruthaitken <jruthaitken@...>
          To: feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 6:48 am
          Subject: [FH] URGENT HELP NEEDED FOR RIGSBY





          Hi everyone

          Rigsby was doing great until yesterday when he stopped eating as much - he had really picked up from november 5th onwards, eating 60-80g of food each day. but he vomited lots of food two days ago (it has some fur in it as he has been biting fur out) and then his breath started to smell badly - like a bad tooth or something. I took him to my local vet today for the PCV test and it is now 28% up from 20% one week ago, so I am assuming this rise is just too fast - 13% in 12 days! anyway, it gets worse - urea is now 45.9, up from 38 and creatinine is 732 (my vets lab) up from 519 (specialist lab which runs lower), glucose 28, up from 13. he was tested 27th october the first time.
          he is now lethargic once more, not leaving the bedroom - trying to eat but not able.
          just to remind everyone, he had first shot of darbepoetin october 29th 6.25mcg - PCV increased from 16 -20% by november 4th - I gave another shot 6.25mcg and it is now 28%. I know from this list and other info it is only supposed to rise at 2-3% a week.

          can the rapid surge in PCV cause other systems to worsen? if so, is this temporary? I am so scared I am going to lose him...again.

          please help!
          I am going to email the specialist now - she is not on clinic this week. any advice would be helpful.

          thank you
          Ruth









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        • jruthaitken
          hi Everyone he is doing better on some levels now e.g. eating but is vomiting up his food every three or four days. I spoke to the specialist last night who
          Message 4 of 5 , Nov 13, 2010
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            hi Everyone

            he is doing better on some levels now e.g. eating but is vomiting up his food every three or four days. I spoke to the specialist last night who isn't worried about the creatinine rise to 732 because it was done in-house at my vets and she suggested getting a mini-panel done in two weeks when we check PCV again at the hospital labs - this is where I generally take his bloods for analysis. In the meantime I am to do a glucose curve at home and email them to her. She thinks diabetes might have got worse - more urination, vomiting food (not stomach acid or liquid) means dehydration, which makes creatinine rise etc. She think PCV is okay and last night we didn't give darbo. we will check bloods again 25th November and decide what level of darbo to give the following day.

            I increased his fluids yesterday by 30mls (so he had 130 instead of 100) and he vomited all his food up today, but waited about 10 minutes and returned to his bowl to eat the rest. Last week I increased his fluids by 20mls and he vomited the following day - I wonder whether it is too much for him given his heart issues?

            there are so many things to balance with Rigsby - HCM, diabetes, CRF and now anemia.....by making one thing better I worry i am sometimes making another worse.

            anyway, thanks a lot everyone for all your thoughts and advice. i will keep you posted on his progress.
            best wishes
            Ruth


            --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, Mmayer11 <mmayer11@...> wrote:
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            > God! I wish I could help with this, Ruth. I know nothing about this drug. But certainly this change in Rigsby could be attributed to the drug...especially since it is meant to raise his numbers, but not this quickly or this high. I hope you will get some good advice from your vets. Do not wait on them. Keep at it, to get answers.
            > Good luck and please keep us posted.
            > Hugs o Rigsby
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            > Marianna
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            > -----Original Message-----
            > From: jruthaitken <jruthaitken@...>
            > To: feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 6:48 am
            > Subject: [FH] URGENT HELP NEEDED FOR RIGSBY
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            > Hi everyone
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            > Rigsby was doing great until yesterday when he stopped eating as much - he had really picked up from november 5th onwards, eating 60-80g of food each day. but he vomited lots of food two days ago (it has some fur in it as he has been biting fur out) and then his breath started to smell badly - like a bad tooth or something. I took him to my local vet today for the PCV test and it is now 28% up from 20% one week ago, so I am assuming this rise is just too fast - 13% in 12 days! anyway, it gets worse - urea is now 45.9, up from 38 and creatinine is 732 (my vets lab) up from 519 (specialist lab which runs lower), glucose 28, up from 13. he was tested 27th october the first time.
            > he is now lethargic once more, not leaving the bedroom - trying to eat but not able.
            > just to remind everyone, he had first shot of darbepoetin october 29th 6.25mcg - PCV increased from 16 -20% by november 4th - I gave another shot 6.25mcg and it is now 28%. I know from this list and other info it is only supposed to rise at 2-3% a week.
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            > can the rapid surge in PCV cause other systems to worsen? if so, is this temporary? I am so scared I am going to lose him...again.
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            > please help!
            > I am going to email the specialist now - she is not on clinic this week. any advice would be helpful.
            >
            > thank you
            > Ruth
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          • Mmayer11
            Thanks for the update, Ruth. I m so glad things are not escalating for Rigsby. The balancing act between all his health issues is certainly tricky for sure.
            Message 5 of 5 , Nov 13, 2010
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              Thanks for the update, Ruth.
              I'm so glad things are not escalating for Rigsby. The balancing act between all his health issues is certainly tricky for sure. Very stressful for you. I admire you for holding your own against the difficulty. Your vet sounds like a good partner. Please keep us updated.

              Hugs to you and Rigsby...he is a trooper [& so are you!], poor boy.



              Marianna




              -----Original Message-----
              From: jruthaitken <jruthaitken@...>
              To: feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 10:23 am
              Subject: Re: [FH] URGENT HELP NEEDED FOR RIGSBY






              hi Everyone

              he is doing better on some levels now e.g. eating but is vomiting up his food every three or four days. I spoke to the specialist last night who isn't worried about the creatinine rise to 732 because it was done in-house at my vets and she suggested getting a mini-panel done in two weeks when we check PCV again at the hospital labs - this is where I generally take his bloods for analysis. In the meantime I am to do a glucose curve at home and email them to her. She thinks diabetes might have got worse - more urination, vomiting food (not stomach acid or liquid) means dehydration, which makes creatinine rise etc. She think PCV is okay and last night we didn't give darbo. we will check bloods again 25th November and decide what level of darbo to give the following day.

              I increased his fluids yesterday by 30mls (so he had 130 instead of 100) and he vomited all his food up today, but waited about 10 minutes and returned to his bowl to eat the rest. Last week I increased his fluids by 20mls and he vomited the following day - I wonder whether it is too much for him given his heart issues?

              there are so many things to balance with Rigsby - HCM, diabetes, CRF and now anemia.....by making one thing better I worry i am sometimes making another worse.

              anyway, thanks a lot everyone for all your thoughts and advice. i will keep you posted on his progress.
              best wishes
              Ruth

              --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, Mmayer11 <mmayer11@...> wrote:
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              > God! I wish I could help with this, Ruth. I know nothing about this drug. But certainly this change in Rigsby could be attributed to the drug...especially since it is meant to raise his numbers, but not this quickly or this high. I hope you will get some good advice from your vets. Do not wait on them. Keep at it, to get answers.
              > Good luck and please keep us posted.
              > Hugs o Rigsby
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              > Marianna
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              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: jruthaitken <jruthaitken@...>
              > To: feline-heart <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 6:48 am
              > Subject: [FH] URGENT HELP NEEDED FOR RIGSBY
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              > Hi everyone
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              > Rigsby was doing great until yesterday when he stopped eating as much - he had really picked up from november 5th onwards, eating 60-80g of food each day. but he vomited lots of food two days ago (it has some fur in it as he has been biting fur out) and then his breath started to smell badly - like a bad tooth or something. I took him to my local vet today for the PCV test and it is now 28% up from 20% one week ago, so I am assuming this rise is just too fast - 13% in 12 days! anyway, it gets worse - urea is now 45.9, up from 38 and creatinine is 732 (my vets lab) up from 519 (specialist lab which runs lower), glucose 28, up from 13. he was tested 27th october the first time.
              > he is now lethargic once more, not leaving the bedroom - trying to eat but not able.
              > just to remind everyone, he had first shot of darbepoetin october 29th 6.25mcg - PCV increased from 16 -20% by november 4th - I gave another shot 6.25mcg and it is now 28%. I know from this list and other info it is only supposed to rise at 2-3% a week.
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              > can the rapid surge in PCV cause other systems to worsen? if so, is this temporary? I am so scared I am going to lose him...again.
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              > please help!
              > I am going to email the specialist now - she is not on clinic this week. any advice would be helpful.
              >
              > thank you
              > Ruth
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