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Nattokinase with Atenolol?

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  • novagirlsmom
    Hi Group, My little girl Nova was unfortunately diagnosed with HCM last week. My vet prescribed Atenolol 6.25 mg/day. She only weighs 5 lbs. The Internal
    Message 1 of 4 , Jun 12, 2010
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      Hi Group,

      My little girl Nova was unfortunately diagnosed with HCM last week. My vet prescribed Atenolol 6.25 mg/day. She only weighs 5 lbs. The Internal Medicine Specialist also suggested low dose aspirin to avoid clotting. My vet is not too keen on aspirin therapy. I'm a little scared to give her aspirin to be honest. However, I want to do whatever I can to avoid the dreaded Saddle Thrombus. My last kittie died of Saddle Thrombus - totally traumatizing & devastating to say the least. I've been doing a little research & noticed Nattokinase as an alternative to prevent clot formation. Does anyone know if this is ok to give with Atenolol? As well, have any of you used Lumbrokinase? Apparently it's derived from earthworms. Seems like an option as well. I was going to go ahead with the Nattokinase for now as it is more readily available. Just wanted to be sure it's ok with Atenolol? Thanks Everyone!
    • Judi Levens
      I do not know about Natto with Atenolol, I use it with my cat Max who is on enalapril very successfully. I was dosing him with 36mg a day and he had a mild
      Message 2 of 4 , Jun 12, 2010
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        I do not know about Natto with Atenolol, I use it with my cat Max who is on enalapril very successfully. I was dosing him with 36mg a day and he had a mild thrombosis in his left leg which resolved by the next day...what I mean by mild is that his foot was folded but he could still use his leg. However, my vet was very happily surprised that it resolved...I can't help thinking that taking the natto helped, even though it didn't prevent a clot. I upped his dosage to double, and so far he hasn't thrown another clot, it is 4 months now...we are not out of the woods, but I do think it has helped and is helping. Maybe someone else has experience with natto and atenolol...good luck...Judi and Max








        To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
        From: novagirlsmom@...
        Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:18:18 +0000
        Subject: [FH] Nattokinase with Atenolol?





        Hi Group,

        My little girl Nova was unfortunately diagnosed with HCM last week. My vet prescribed Atenolol 6.25 mg/day. She only weighs 5 lbs. The Internal Medicine Specialist also suggested low dose aspirin to avoid clotting. My vet is not too keen on aspirin therapy. I'm a little scared to give her aspirin to be honest. However, I want to do whatever I can to avoid the dreaded Saddle Thrombus. My last kittie died of Saddle Thrombus - totally traumatizing & devastating to say the least. I've been doing a little research & noticed Nattokinase as an alternative to prevent clot formation. Does anyone know if this is ok to give with Atenolol? As well, have any of you used Lumbrokinase? Apparently it's derived from earthworms. Seems like an option as well. I was going to go ahead with the Nattokinase for now as it is more readily available. Just wanted to be sure it's ok with Atenolol? Thanks Everyone!






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      • novagirlsmom
        Thank you Judi. I m glad to hear Max made it through the clot. That s fabulous! I m just trying to figure out what to do for Nova to avoid the clotting. I m
        Message 3 of 4 , Jun 14, 2010
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          Thank you Judi. I'm glad to hear Max made it through the clot. That's fabulous! I'm just trying to figure out what to do for Nova to avoid the clotting. I'm not having much luck getting good info on Nattokinase with Atenolol though. I really would like to start her on this asap if it's ok to combine the two. Went to several health stores here in Calgary today & no Nattokinase in stock! I think I may have to order it. I just want to make sure it is ok to give her....Hopefully someone else will respond that uses Atenolol. If not, I may have to temporarily give baby aspirin therapy until I can figure this out. Thanks again. Jen & Nova

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        • elfinmyst@aol.com
          Hi Josh took nattokinase with atenolol after his clot early this year. When he went into heart failure, the atenolol was stopped as it was relaxing his heart
          Message 4 of 4 , Jun 16, 2010
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            Hi

            Josh took nattokinase with atenolol after his clot early this year. When he
            went into heart failure, the atenolol was stopped as it was relaxing his
            heart too much, but he was on both fine for a period of months. Trixi has
            plavix and atenolol and has for over a year.

            Nattokinase is an enzyme which dissolves clots already there, it doesn't
            thin blood or affect the heart. You need to be absolutely sure the
            nattokinase you use has no vitamin K in it. I use Doctors Best which removes the
            vitamin K.

            My cats on Natto are doing fine and we've had no clots since taking it.
            Trixi tried aspirin and it made her so ill I`d never use it again.

            Lyn
            _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)


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