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  • Mmayer11
    Dear members... Here s Liz s response to us. Somehow her posts have failed to get through. Brandy is still with us!! He could use our prayers...they both
    Message 1 of 4 , Jun 1, 2010
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      Dear members...
      Here's Liz's response to us. Somehow her posts have failed to get through. Brandy is still with us!! He could use our prayers...they both could.



      Marianna




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      From: chuckliz@...
      To: mmayer11@...
      Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 5:56 pm
      Subject: Brandy - for feline heart group


      Marianna -

      I've tried to send two different updates to the feline heart group, one on Sunday and one on Monday. Neither has gotten through and I don't understand why. If it's not too much trouble, could you please pass this along to the group?

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      Thank you everyone for keeping us in your thoughts! Brandy went to the vet on Sunday after the seizures continued, becoming more frequent and involving right-sided limb motion. When things peaked on Monday, he had four seizures in four hours. He had followup visits Monday and today. They are definitely seizures, not syncope, and although an embolic shower hasn't been ruled out yet officially, both vets who have seen him over the past three days believe this is likely caused by a previously undiscovered brain metastasis from his lung mass.

      We are working to control the seizures using phenobarbital and Valium and things have improved - only one seizure today, close to the time when the next phenobarbital dose was due. My understanding is that it takes a few days for the phenobarbital to reach a steady level in the bloodstream, so this was not completely unexpected. At this point, we are not planning to put him through a head CT because of his numerous serious comorbidities (CRF, HCM, and the lung mass) - his primary vet agrees that it wouldn't buy us much more than a general sense of timeframe for the progression of his illness. Just in case, we are also giving Brandy a tapered course of subQ heparin to try to prevent him from developing an embolic shower.

      Once again, thank you...I'll keep you posted.

      Liz and Brandy



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    • Westgold
      Thank you for the update. Yes, it took a few days to get Pooh regulated on the phenobarb after he had those 6 huge seizures in a row before I could get him to
      Message 2 of 4 , Jun 1, 2010
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        Thank you for the update. Yes, it took a few days to get Pooh regulated on the phenobarb after he had those 6 huge seizures in a row before I could get him to the ER that day. At first they gave too much, he was so doped up he was unable to walk. He'd get up and take one step and then just collapse like he had no bones. Finally they found the right dose, and he was just fine. It is a fine balance -- to give enough to stop the seizures, and yet not too much that it disables them. But I had really good vets that took care of him, and he never had another big seizure. He did have a few little episodes where he would freeze and his eyes would look all funny -- but he would snap out of it the minute I called his name or touched him. I also didn't get an MRI or CT scan or anything, the vets knew it was a brain tumor from the seizures. In a young cats, seizures are usually epilepsy -- but in an older cat it is usually a tumor. I really didn't want to scare anybody when I said that the other day, but it is a fact.

        give Brandy a kiss from us!
        take care -- Michelle & Tigger Too in Toronto
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        From: Mmayer11
        To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 6:09 PM
        Subject: [FH] Fwd: Brandy - for feline heart group




        Dear members...
        Here's Liz's response to us. Somehow her posts have failed to get through. Brandy is still with us!! He could use our prayers...they both could.

        Marianna


        -----Original Message-----
        From: chuckliz@...
        To: mmayer11@...
        Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 5:56 pm
        Subject: Brandy - for feline heart group

        Marianna -

        I've tried to send two different updates to the feline heart group, one on Sunday and one on Monday. Neither has gotten through and I don't understand why. If it's not too much trouble, could you please pass this along to the group?

        ****************************************************************************************************************************************************************

        Thank you everyone for keeping us in your thoughts! Brandy went to the vet on Sunday after the seizures continued, becoming more frequent and involving right-sided limb motion. When things peaked on Monday, he had four seizures in four hours. He had followup visits Monday and today. They are definitely seizures, not syncope, and although an embolic shower hasn't been ruled out yet officially, both vets who have seen him over the past three days believe this is likely caused by a previously undiscovered brain metastasis from his lung mass.

        We are working to control the seizures using phenobarbital and Valium and things have improved - only one seizure today, close to the time when the next phenobarbital dose was due. My understanding is that it takes a few days for the phenobarbital to reach a steady level in the bloodstream, so this was not completely unexpected. At this point, we are not planning to put him through a head CT because of his numerous serious comorbidities (CRF, HCM, and the lung mass) - his primary vet agrees that it wouldn't buy us much more than a general sense of timeframe for the progression of his illness. Just in case, we are also giving Brandy a tapered course of subQ heparin to try to prevent him from developing an embolic shower.

        Once again, thank you...I'll keep you posted.

        Liz and Brandy



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      • Suzianne Painter-Thorne
        It is not a fact Michelle. It might have been what was wrong with your cat, but it is not necessarily true for every older cat. While seizures may be the most
        Message 3 of 4 , Jun 1, 2010
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          It is not a fact Michelle. It might have been what was wrong with your cat,
          but it is not necessarily true for every older cat.

          While seizures may be the most reported indicator of a brain tumor. BUT that
          is not the same thing as saying seizures in older cats usually are caused by
          tumors. There are lots of other more common causes. And, you don't know what
          the cause was until you do testing--MRI, spinal tap, blood work, to rule out
          things like tumors, metabolic disorders, toxicity, etc.

          Also there are different types of seizures, focal seizures, petit mal, grand
          mal. Some cats cluster seize, some do not. All of that can make a difference
          in diagnosis.

          There is more information on feline seizures here:
          http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/Web/People/lowekamp/feline_epilepsy.html;
          http://www.canine-epilepsy.com/FelineSeizures.pdf
          http://www.canine-epilepsy.com/felineepi.html
          http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=1+2118&aid=224
          http://www.petwave.com/Cats/Health/Brain-Spinal-Nerve/Seizures/Causes.aspx
          http://www.petpeoplesplace.com/resources/articles/cats/76-diseases-of-older-
          cats_9.htm

          Finally, even if it is a brain tumor, brain tumors in cats can and have been
          successfully treated.

          Bottom line: if your cat is having seizures, go to a vet. Get tests done.
          Consult with a professional. Don't rely on stories of what happened to
          someone else because one person cat's story is not a prognosis for any other
          cat.

          Sue & Boo


          On 6/1/10 7:44 PM, "Westgold" <westgold@...> wrote:

          > he never had another big seizure. He did have a few little episodes where he
          > would freeze and his eyes would look all funny -- but he would snap out of it
          > the minute I called his name or touched him. I also didn't get an MRI or CT
          > scan or anything, the vets knew it was a brain tumor from the seizures. In a
          > young cats, seizures are usually epilepsy -- but in an older cat it is usually
          > a tumor. I really didn't want to scare anybody when I said that the other
          > day, but it is a fact.
        • Mmayer11
          Wise advice, thank you, Sue. We need varying input to give hope. There are all kinds of possibilities with our ailing kitties. One thing we must
          Message 4 of 4 , Jun 1, 2010
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            Wise advice, thank you, Sue. We need varying input to give hope. There are all kinds of possibilities with our ailing kitties.
            One thing we must understand...and even the vets who specialize in cats will tell you...domestic cats remain a mystery in the health profession, indeed far more so than with canines.
            And as so many of our members know, there is never never a lost cause. A good specialist and a dedicated/informed caretaker can 99.9% of the time make a world of difference between life and death for our beloved kitties. Dare I say with this attitude...to leave no stone unturned/no specialists left unpressed for more info...we have perhaps some peace of mind and some less regret when and if death wins the battle.



            Marianna








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