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  • dshale1
    Carol, I know how you feel--it s been 12 weeks since we lost Pye and it hurts just as much now as that same evening. You make a good point that heartworm
    Message 1 of 7 , Apr 30, 2010
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      Carol, I know how you feel--it's been 12 weeks since we lost Pye and it hurts just as much now as that same evening.

      You make a good point that heartworm should be considered when cat a cat has respiratory or heart problems. Our cats have all been on heartworm preventative since they were young; however, I believe that the echocardiograms and x-rays that heart kitties have so frequently can often diagnose heartworms. Initially our youngest cat, who we adopted as a stray, was suspected of heartworm exposure because her blood tests showed very high eosiniphils (a common reaction to parasites) but heartworm antigen testing isn't all that reliable, we found out after the vet ran the tests. Even though the tests were negative, he wanted to do an x-ray just be sure. Since the x-ray was normal, he felt comfortable ruling out heartworm infection.

      I guess what I'm saying is that even though Snowball didn't have heartworm antigen testing, there are other signs that probably would have shown up in blood tests, x-rays and echocardiograms. So I wouldn't assume she had heartworm and all the signs were missed.

      I do understand, however, because I have gone over and over in my head whether anything else could have been done for Pye, and have questioned why the vets and specialists didn't do this or that. I guess it doesn't help to dwell on those doubts, though, because it won't bring her back. I think we all can fall into thinking that even though we did everything we could, there was something more we should have done. It's because we miss our dear beloved kitties so much I guess we want to believe there had to have been some way to save them, even though there wasn't.
      -Susan


      --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "C.R." <carolroars@...> wrote:
      >
      > hi everyone,
      >
      > I was reading one of my pet magazines today (Healthy Pet magazine, Spring 2010 issue). It's this little magazine that I get through one of my vets' offices. There was this article about heartworm disease. It talked about how the symptoms of heartworm are much the same as CHF. Here's the paragraph from the article.
      >
      > "Since heartworm disease affects cat's lungs more often than their hearts, cats suffering from heartworms usually show respiratory signs such as coughing, rapid breathing, open-mouthed breathing, and gagging. Furthermore, vomiting that's not associated with eating and fainting is more common in cats than in dogs. Other signs of heartworm disease to watch for in cats include diarrhea, anemia, weight loss and lethargy."
      >
      > I never knew the symptoms of heartworm, and so many of them are just like when a cat goes into congestive heart failure, I thought it was important to know. Sometimes we have cats who don't have fluid buildup and we don't know the cause of their coughing or gagging. It's possible it could be heartworm, so it's a good idea to get heartworm tests done when you do your other bloodwork.
      >
      > For two years my Angel Snowball would do this coughing/gagging thing, and the vets never knew why. They never suggested she get tested for heartworm. Now I'm wondering if that's what she had that was always causing her coughing and gagging. Snowball never had fluid in her lungs or chest, ever. So now I'm thinking maybe she did have heartworm disease and it was never diagnosed. This is just one more thing that I'm so upset about with the vets who treated Snowball. For three years of her being sick I was constantly searching and searching for answers about her illnesses, and never getting much back from the MANY vets she saw... just one more thing that makes me feel guilty about her passing. I know I did everything I could for her during her life, but there's always this aching feeling that I failed her.
      >
      > It's 17 weeks today that Snowball passed away, and I'm still having such a hard time.
      >
      > Anyway, I just wanted to pass along the heartworm info.
      >
      >
      > take care,
      > Carol and Angel Snowball *5/10/91 to 1/1/10*
      > and the gang
      >
      > http://carolandsteveskitties.shutterfly.com/
      > Snowball in the planter box.
      > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o6bLwo5jPE
      >
    • Jill Barclay
      My cat Frosty had a blood clot that went to the back of his legs.  He had restrictive cardiomyopathy.  He was only 7 years old. He had a blood clot and that
      Message 2 of 7 , May 1, 2010
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        My cat Frosty had a blood clot that went to the back of his legs.  He had restrictive cardiomyopathy.  He was only 7 years old. He had a blood clot and that is how I found out that he had a form of heart disease.  He was fine until the clot and showed no signs of any heart problems whatsoever!! I wish that there was some way to screen cats for this disease.  He never regained the use of his back legs and I had to put him to sleep.  I never even saw this coming.  He was too young and I loved him and he will be missed.

        Jill, Oscar and Frosty


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        From: C.R. <carolroars@...>
        To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 10:44:43 AM
        Subject: [FH] Congestive heart failure and heartworm

         
        hi everyone,

        I was reading one of my pet magazines today (Healthy Pet magazine, Spring 2010 issue). It's this little magazine that I get through one of my vets' offices. There was this article about heartworm disease. It talked about how the symptoms of heartworm are much the same as CHF. Here's the paragraph from the article.

        "Since heartworm disease affects cat's lungs more often than their hearts, cats suffering from heartworms usually show respiratory signs such as coughing, rapid breathing, open-mouthed breathing, and gagging. Furthermore, vomiting that's not associated with eating and fainting is more common in cats than in dogs. Other signs of heartworm disease to watch for in cats include diarrhea, anemia, weight loss and lethargy."

        I never knew the symptoms of heartworm, and so many of them are just like when a cat goes into congestive heart failure, I thought it was important to know. Sometimes we have cats who don't have fluid buildup and we don't know the cause of their coughing or gagging. It's possible it could be heartworm, so it's a good idea to get heartworm tests done when you do your other bloodwork.

        For two years my Angel Snowball would do this coughing/gagging thing, and the vets never knew why. They never suggested she get tested for heartworm. Now I'm wondering if that's what she had that was always causing her coughing and gagging. Snowball never had fluid in her lungs or chest, ever. So now I'm thinking maybe she did have heartworm disease and it was never diagnosed. This is just one more thing that I'm so upset about with the vets who treated Snowball. For three years of her being sick I was constantly searching and searching for answers about her illnesses, and never getting much back from the MANY vets she saw... just one more thing that makes me feel guilty about her passing. I know I did everything I could for her during her life, but there's always this aching feeling that I failed her.

        It's 17 weeks today that Snowball passed away, and I'm still having such a hard time.

        Anyway, I just wanted to pass along the heartworm info.

        take care,
        Carol and Angel Snowball *5/10/91 to 1/1/10*
        and the gang

        http://carolandstev eskitties. shutterfly. com/
        Snowball in the planter box.
        http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0o6bLwo5jPE







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      • Mmayer11
        Carol, I am so sorry you are grieving over the mysteries surrounding Snowball s death along with your loss of her. It s difficult enough to bear the grief of
        Message 3 of 7 , May 1, 2010
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          Carol,
          I am so sorry you are grieving over the mysteries surrounding Snowball's death along with your loss of her. It's difficult enough to bear the grief of loss of a loved one.
          Perhaps with this new info you have shared with us it might be worthwhile to test your other cats for heartworm disease. Marianna

          Carol wrote:


          For three years of her being sick I was constantly searching and
          searching for answers about her illnesses, and never getting much back from the
          MANY vets she saw... just one more thing that makes me feel guilty about her
          passing. I know I did everything I could for her during her life, but there's
          always this aching feeling that I failed her.

          It's 17 weeks today that Snowball passed away, and I'm still having such a hard
          time.

          Anyway, I just wanted to pass along the heartworm info.








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        • Joe
          Jill I am so sorry to hear about beloved Frosty. HCM is hard to detect unless you get an ultrasound. Since the ultrasound is expensive ($350), likely most vets
          Message 4 of 7 , May 1, 2010
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            Jill
            I am so sorry to hear about beloved Frosty. HCM is hard to detect unless you get an ultrasound. Since the ultrasound is expensive ($350), likely most vets dont prescribe it unless there are some symptoms. Since April didnt have any symptoms it was never recommended. 
            April sounds a lot like Frosty. She was 7 years old, and from what we understood healthy. But I heard her crying one morning and found her on the floor unable to move. Rushing her to the emergency room we discovered she had saddle thrombosis (clit) and died the next day. The vet only knew it because she did the ultrasound. Her heart sounded normal with no murmur.
            Please dont feel like you did anything wrong. The only way is to get the ultrasound done for your next kitty. 
            BTW 1 year after she died, I had ;planted some tulips and they are  now blossoming. Its one way to remember the beloved.
            Joe, with Beanie, Chelsea and April (RIP)
            --- On Sat, 5/1/10, Jill Barclay <jill.barclay@...> wrote:

            From: Jill Barclay <jill.barclay@...>
            Subject: Re: [FH] Frosty died of a blood clot
            To: "C.R." <carolroars@...>, "feline heart" <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
            Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 3:57 AM
















             









            My cat Frosty had a blood clot that went to the back of his legs.  He had restrictive cardiomyopathy.  He was only 7 years old. He had a blood clot and that is how I found out that he had a form of heart disease.  He was fine until the clot and showed no signs of any heart problems whatsoever!! I wish that there was some way to screen cats for this disease.  He never regained the use of his back legs and I had to put him to sleep.  I never even saw this coming.  He was too young and I loved him and he will be missed.



            Jill, Oscar and Frosty



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            From: C.R. <carolroars@hotmail. com>

            To: feline-heart@ yahoogroups. com

            Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 10:44:43 AM

            Subject: [FH] Congestive heart failure and heartworm



             

            hi everyone,



            I was reading one of my pet magazines today (Healthy Pet magazine, Spring 2010 issue). It's this little magazine that I get through one of my vets' offices. There was this article about heartworm disease. It talked about how the symptoms of heartworm are much the same as CHF. Here's the paragraph from the article.



            "Since heartworm disease affects cat's lungs more often than their hearts, cats suffering from heartworms usually show respiratory signs such as coughing, rapid breathing, open-mouthed breathing, and gagging. Furthermore, vomiting that's not associated with eating and fainting is more common in cats than in dogs. Other signs of heartworm disease to watch for in cats include diarrhea, anemia, weight loss and lethargy."



            I never knew the symptoms of heartworm, and so many of them are just like when a cat goes into congestive heart failure, I thought it was important to know. Sometimes we have cats who don't have fluid buildup and we don't know the cause of their coughing or gagging. It's possible it could be heartworm, so it's a good idea to get heartworm tests done when you do your other bloodwork.



            For two years my Angel Snowball would do this coughing/gagging thing, and the vets never knew why. They never suggested she get tested for heartworm. Now I'm wondering if that's what she had that was always causing her coughing and gagging. Snowball never had fluid in her lungs or chest, ever. So now I'm thinking maybe she did have heartworm disease and it was never diagnosed. This is just one more thing that I'm so upset about with the vets who treated Snowball. For three years of her being sick I was constantly searching and searching for answers about her illnesses, and never getting much back from the MANY vets she saw... just one more thing that makes me feel guilty about her passing. I know I did everything I could for her during her life, but there's always this aching feeling that I failed her.



            It's 17 weeks today that Snowball passed away, and I'm still having such a hard time.



            Anyway, I just wanted to pass along the heartworm info.



            take care,

            Carol and Angel Snowball *5/10/91 to 1/1/10*

            and the gang



            http://carolandstev eskitties. shutterfly. com/

            Snowball in the planter box.

            http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0o6bLwo5jPE



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          • cathy coleman
            I was so sorry to read about the loss of Frosty. It s the hardest thing when they go.. I am sure you did the very best for Frosty though. We can only know what
            Message 5 of 7 , May 1, 2010
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              I was so sorry to read about the loss of Frosty. It's the hardest thing when they go.. I am sure you did the very best for Frosty though. We can only know what we know and do what we can. I agree with you that it is heartbreaking that so many people only find out about the cat having HCM when they have already had a clot or died. I hope someday there are better tests etc.
               
              Thank you to Carol too  for sharing that article about heartworms. You never think of heartworrms with cats but this is important for all of us to know. I know you loved Snowball and did the very best for her that you could. We love them and do our best.. which is all anyone can do really.
               
               Sending hugs to you both,
               Cathy & Winston


              At the height of laughter, the universe is flung into a kaleidoscope of new possibilities. ~Jean Houston

              --- On Sat, 5/1/10, Jill Barclay <jill.barclay@...> wrote:


              From: Jill Barclay <jill.barclay@...>
              Subject: Re: [FH] Frosty died of a blood clot
              To: "C.R." <carolroars@...>, "feline heart" <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
              Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 4:57 AM


               



              My cat Frosty had a blood clot that went to the back of his legs.  He had restrictive cardiomyopathy.  He was only 7 years old. He had a blood clot and that is how I found out that he had a form of heart disease.  He was fine until the clot and showed no signs of any heart problems whatsoever!! I wish that there was some way to screen cats for this disease.  He never regained the use of his back legs and I had to put him to sleep.  I never even saw this coming.  He was too young and I loved him and he will be missed.

              Jill, Oscar and Frosty

              ____________ _________ _________ __
              From: C.R. <carolroars@hotmail. com>
              To: feline-heart@ yahoogroups. com
              Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 10:44:43 AM
              Subject: [FH] Congestive heart failure and heartworm

               
              hi everyone,

              I was reading one of my pet magazines today (Healthy Pet magazine, Spring 2010 issue). It's this little magazine that I get through one of my vets' offices. There was this article about heartworm disease. It talked about how the symptoms of heartworm are much the same as CHF. Here's the paragraph from the article.

              "Since heartworm disease affects cat's lungs more often than their hearts, cats suffering from heartworms usually show respiratory signs such as coughing, rapid breathing, open-mouthed breathing, and gagging. Furthermore, vomiting that's not associated with eating and fainting is more common in cats than in dogs. Other signs of heartworm disease to watch for in cats include diarrhea, anemia, weight loss and lethargy."

              I never knew the symptoms of heartworm, and so many of them are just like when a cat goes into congestive heart failure, I thought it was important to know. Sometimes we have cats who don't have fluid buildup and we don't know the cause of their coughing or gagging. It's possible it could be heartworm, so it's a good idea to get heartworm tests done when you do your other bloodwork.

              For two years my Angel Snowball would do this coughing/gagging thing, and the vets never knew why. They never suggested she get tested for heartworm. Now I'm wondering if that's what she had that was always causing her coughing and gagging. Snowball never had fluid in her lungs or chest, ever. So now I'm thinking maybe she did have heartworm disease and it was never diagnosed. This is just one more thing that I'm so upset about with the vets who treated Snowball. For three years of her being sick I was constantly searching and searching for answers about her illnesses, and never getting much back from the MANY vets she saw... just one more thing that makes me feel guilty about her passing. I know I did everything I could for her during her life, but there's always this aching feeling that I failed her.

              It's 17 weeks today that Snowball passed away, and I'm still having such a hard time.

              Anyway, I just wanted to pass along the heartworm info.

              take care,
              Carol and Angel Snowball *5/10/91 to 1/1/10*
              and the gang

              http://carolandstev eskitties. shutterfly. com/
              Snowball in the planter box.
              http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0o6bLwo5jPE

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