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RE: [FH] Winston's Update - Asthma

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  • Judi Levens
    Max had asthma long before we knew he had heart disease, but it s possible that he had HCM all along and was asymtomatic...I have noticed the number of people
    Message 1 of 11 , Dec 2, 2009
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      Max had asthma long before we knew he had heart disease, but it's possible that he had HCM all along and was asymtomatic...I have noticed the number of people with cats having both also and wondered, but also Max doesn't take atenolol, just enalapril. Max's asthma is mild and I control it by spraying a little Ventolin in his face when he has a problem, only a few times a year and mostly in the fall. Strange, I know, but it works and I can't imagine him tolerating the hood...

      Judi and Max








      To: smittyhj82@...; feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
      From: westgold@...
      Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:53:29 -0500
      Subject: Re: [FH] Winston's Update - Asthma





      I have to say that before I joined this list, I only heard of a couple cats with asthma. And I belong to more than a dozen lists. Why do so many cats with heart disease get asthma? Have your vets said anything? Do you guys think it might be the atenolol?? Or something else? Let's discuss this -- please let us all know what your vets and cardiologists say about this --

      thanks, Michelle & Tigger Too in Toronto
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      From: smittyhj82
      To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:09 AM
      Subject: [FH] Winston's Update - Asthma

      Winston is currently getting atenolol every 12 hours, but his xrays were reviewed by a specialist and they say he has asthma. Can anyone that has an HCM cat with asthma please let me know the meds you give and how stable they are? I want to give everything to my vet, as i am thinking the atenolol is aggrevating his breathing. I'd like to switch his medications.

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    • Pat
      Hi Judi; ... From: Judi Levens ... There also aren t any good answers out there (scientific or not), regarding where the steroids
      Message 2 of 11 , Dec 2, 2009
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        Hi Judi;

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        From: "Judi Levens" <casaobelisco@...>
        >Strange, I know, but it works and I can't imagine him tolerating the
        >hood...

        There also aren't any good answers out there (scientific or not), regarding
        where the steroids go, so we much prefer to use the periactin as long as it
        works, and it is doing so.

        Pat and all the boys
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      • jintzr
        It s hard to say because we knew about the asthma first, and then learned of the heart disease later, but like Judi said, he could have had HCM all along and
        Message 3 of 11 , Dec 2, 2009
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          It's hard to say because we knew about the asthma first, and then learned of the heart disease later, but like Judi said, he could have had HCM all along and was just asymptomatic.

          He just started his atenolol about 2-3 weeks ago, and has had the asthma diagnosis for years, so the atenolol couldn't have attributed to his asthma.

          I asked my cardiologist about asthma and heart disease, and he said often they go hand in hand. So he seemed to indicate that it was common for cats to have both. It could also be that some HCM cats have very mild asthma and the owners aren't even aware of it. It can be very challenging sometimes to determine whether my kittie's asthma is bothering him or his heart.

          Donna

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        • Carolyn Larson
          Hi - my cat Stanley has asthma and HCM (and other problems as well). Here are the meds he s on, plus he gets a wonderful heart vitamin pill (actually
          Message 4 of 11 , Dec 3, 2009
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            Hi - my cat Stanley has asthma and HCM (and other problems as
            well). Here are the meds he's on, plus he gets a wonderful "heart
            vitamin" pill (actually recommended by my horse vet and
            enthusiastically agreed to by my small animal vet). Just FYI, Stan
            has a disease which causes severe potassium deficiency, so the
            potassium I'm listing is way, way beyond any normal dose. Because
            what helps with asthma, like pred, is bad for HCM, it's a heck of a
            balancing act, but bless my vets, he's been on this regime now for
            three years, knock on wood. Stan is 9.3 pounds, +/- 17 years old
            (he's adopted so that's the best guess). Every cat's situation is
            different, and your vet would determine what would be applicable, but
            I'm posting this to tell you it can be done. Here's what he gets:
            Baby aspirin - twice a week, not on the same days as the
            prednisilone, for addressing potential clotting (aspirin is dangerous
            for cats but this schedule was felt safe under the circumstances)
            Aminophyline - 1/2 pill twice a day for the asthma
            Triacinolone - twice a week for the asthma (form of pred - this is a
            very low dose)
            Atenolol - 1/2 pill daily for his heart
            Furosemide - this was removed from his schedule when the potassium
            problem showed up, but it was for his heart
            Enalapril - 1/2 pill once a day
            Tumil K - potassium - 6 per day (!)
            Spironolactone - 1/4 pill twice a day for high blood pressure
            Cardio-Strength vitamin from Vetri-Science - 1 per day

            I put these myriad pills in gelatin capsules (with the pred, the
            capsules have to be size 0), rub the capsule in a little butter to
            help it down. He has never had a problem even with this size, and
            Stan became very easy to pill at the rate of 8 per day. He's a sweetheart.

            Carol and Stan in Maine

            P.S. Years ago I had a wonderful cat named Winston - hugs to yours
            from my angel
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