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[FH] Re: Winston's Update - Asthma

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  • kathryn m
    heart disease was diagnosed first about a year later is when the asthma started. belle s asthma is very mild. she has no halos only a very mild flattening of
    Message 1 of 11 , Dec 2, 2009
      heart disease was diagnosed first about a year later is when the asthma started. belle's asthma is very mild. she has no halos only a very mild flattening of the diaphragm. she went into an asthma attack in front of the IM and agreed with me that it was asthma.
      >^..^<
      katy & belle

      --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "Westgold" <westgold@...> wrote:
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      > to those of you with cats with both heart disease and asthma --- did they have the asthma before they got the heart disease? Or after?
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      > From: kathryn m
      > To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:22 AM
      > Subject: [FH] Re: Winston's Update - Asthma
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      > belle has HCM and asthma. she takes atenolol 1x a day and flovent 1x a day at this point. she started on atenolol 2x a day and flovent 220 twice a day for about 1.5 years then went to atenolol 1x a day and flovent 220 once a day for about 1.5 years and was recently dropped to flovent 110 once a day (atenolol remains 1x a day). within 3 weeks on flovent her asthma issues resolved but she does have a rescue inhaler (albuterol it was called im pretty sure its proventil now but hasnt needed it in a year or two at least). she was diagnosed with HCM in september 2004 and asthma march 2006 and is stable for both issues. i would also suggest changing your cleaning habits- i clean with more mild cleaners (vinegar and water a lot), if i must use a more smelly cleaner i close off the room and open windows in there, i wash all her bedding weekly in hot water- mild soap no fabric softener, i no longer wear perfume, burn candles or spray and smelly air cleaner, i run a HEPA (this is important you want HEPA not ionic). belle was put on diltiazem instead of atenolol for a couple of months because we wanted to make sure that it wasnt the atenolol causing the issues but it wasnt- her attacks continued plus she had major stomach issues on the diltiazem and to top it off her murmur returned on diltiazem while gone on atenolol. i was relieved that the atenolol wasnt the cause as it works so well for her heart.
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      > katy & belle
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      > --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "smittyhj82" <smittyhj82@> wrote:
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      > > Winston is currently getting atenolol every 12 hours, but his xrays were reviewed by a specialist and they say he has asthma. Can anyone that has an HCM cat with asthma please let me know the meds you give and how stable they are? I want to give everything to my vet, as i am thinking the atenolol is aggrevating his breathing. I'd like to switch his medications.
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    • Judi Levens
      Max had asthma long before we knew he had heart disease, but it s possible that he had HCM all along and was asymtomatic...I have noticed the number of people
      Message 2 of 11 , Dec 2, 2009
        Max had asthma long before we knew he had heart disease, but it's possible that he had HCM all along and was asymtomatic...I have noticed the number of people with cats having both also and wondered, but also Max doesn't take atenolol, just enalapril. Max's asthma is mild and I control it by spraying a little Ventolin in his face when he has a problem, only a few times a year and mostly in the fall. Strange, I know, but it works and I can't imagine him tolerating the hood...

        Judi and Max








        To: smittyhj82@...; feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
        From: westgold@...
        Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:53:29 -0500
        Subject: Re: [FH] Winston's Update - Asthma





        I have to say that before I joined this list, I only heard of a couple cats with asthma. And I belong to more than a dozen lists. Why do so many cats with heart disease get asthma? Have your vets said anything? Do you guys think it might be the atenolol?? Or something else? Let's discuss this -- please let us all know what your vets and cardiologists say about this --

        thanks, Michelle & Tigger Too in Toronto
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: smittyhj82
        To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:09 AM
        Subject: [FH] Winston's Update - Asthma

        Winston is currently getting atenolol every 12 hours, but his xrays were reviewed by a specialist and they say he has asthma. Can anyone that has an HCM cat with asthma please let me know the meds you give and how stable they are? I want to give everything to my vet, as i am thinking the atenolol is aggrevating his breathing. I'd like to switch his medications.

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      • Pat
        Hi Judi; ... From: Judi Levens ... There also aren t any good answers out there (scientific or not), regarding where the steroids
        Message 3 of 11 , Dec 2, 2009
          Hi Judi;

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          From: "Judi Levens" <casaobelisco@...>
          >Strange, I know, but it works and I can't imagine him tolerating the
          >hood...

          There also aren't any good answers out there (scientific or not), regarding
          where the steroids go, so we much prefer to use the periactin as long as it
          works, and it is doing so.

          Pat and all the boys
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        • jintzr
          It s hard to say because we knew about the asthma first, and then learned of the heart disease later, but like Judi said, he could have had HCM all along and
          Message 4 of 11 , Dec 2, 2009
            It's hard to say because we knew about the asthma first, and then learned of the heart disease later, but like Judi said, he could have had HCM all along and was just asymptomatic.

            He just started his atenolol about 2-3 weeks ago, and has had the asthma diagnosis for years, so the atenolol couldn't have attributed to his asthma.

            I asked my cardiologist about asthma and heart disease, and he said often they go hand in hand. So he seemed to indicate that it was common for cats to have both. It could also be that some HCM cats have very mild asthma and the owners aren't even aware of it. It can be very challenging sometimes to determine whether my kittie's asthma is bothering him or his heart.

            Donna

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          • Carolyn Larson
            Hi - my cat Stanley has asthma and HCM (and other problems as well). Here are the meds he s on, plus he gets a wonderful heart vitamin pill (actually
            Message 5 of 11 , Dec 3, 2009
              Hi - my cat Stanley has asthma and HCM (and other problems as
              well). Here are the meds he's on, plus he gets a wonderful "heart
              vitamin" pill (actually recommended by my horse vet and
              enthusiastically agreed to by my small animal vet). Just FYI, Stan
              has a disease which causes severe potassium deficiency, so the
              potassium I'm listing is way, way beyond any normal dose. Because
              what helps with asthma, like pred, is bad for HCM, it's a heck of a
              balancing act, but bless my vets, he's been on this regime now for
              three years, knock on wood. Stan is 9.3 pounds, +/- 17 years old
              (he's adopted so that's the best guess). Every cat's situation is
              different, and your vet would determine what would be applicable, but
              I'm posting this to tell you it can be done. Here's what he gets:
              Baby aspirin - twice a week, not on the same days as the
              prednisilone, for addressing potential clotting (aspirin is dangerous
              for cats but this schedule was felt safe under the circumstances)
              Aminophyline - 1/2 pill twice a day for the asthma
              Triacinolone - twice a week for the asthma (form of pred - this is a
              very low dose)
              Atenolol - 1/2 pill daily for his heart
              Furosemide - this was removed from his schedule when the potassium
              problem showed up, but it was for his heart
              Enalapril - 1/2 pill once a day
              Tumil K - potassium - 6 per day (!)
              Spironolactone - 1/4 pill twice a day for high blood pressure
              Cardio-Strength vitamin from Vetri-Science - 1 per day

              I put these myriad pills in gelatin capsules (with the pred, the
              capsules have to be size 0), rub the capsule in a little butter to
              help it down. He has never had a problem even with this size, and
              Stan became very easy to pill at the rate of 8 per day. He's a sweetheart.

              Carol and Stan in Maine

              P.S. Years ago I had a wonderful cat named Winston - hugs to yours
              from my angel
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