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  • Kristen G
    My cat Duffer (will be 7 years old in July) was diagnosed with HCM and started Lasix in April.  She has lost around 1.5 pounds or a little more.  I was
    Message 1 of 6 , Jun 2, 2009
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      My cat Duffer (will be 7 years old in July) was diagnosed with HCM and started Lasix in April.  She has lost around 1.5 pounds or a little more.  I was concerned about this also and my specialist said that it was probably the lasix and that she wasn't worried about it.  Because I have been worried about it, though, I started trying to feed her more of her favorite canned food.  It seems like she is eating a whole lot more in the last few weeks, but I haven't weighed her to see if she has gained any weight back.  She has always been a pretty small cat and is now down to 9.2 pounds. 

      So, I guess I don't really have any advice, but just wanted to say that I understand and the same thing happened to my cat when first going on the heart meds.  Maybe it really is the meds.

      Kristen




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      From: Susan Loesch <pipercatmom@yahoo..com>
      To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:05:32 AM
      Subject: [FH] Advice needed again -- Big Footsie





      Footsie has done so well for the last couple of months -- he goes to the doctor every Friday for a blood pressure check and a listen to his heart and lungs.  His pressure is down and stable, and other than occasional periods where I need to add in the albuterol inhaler again his asthma is stable.  I weighed him again this past Friday and he has lost 2 lb since early April.  He looks, to me, like an old kitty who is losing his body fat - but he is just  8 1/2.   I mentioned this to his vet and he said the weight loss was probably fluid since he is on lasix bid.  Somehow my gut feeling is that it is more than that.
       
      Have any of you had this experience with HCM cats on medication - that they lose weight?  I was wondering about giving him digestive enzymes, with or without added vitamins - maybe the meds are messing with the absorption of nutrients?  A friend suggested a product from Only Natural Pets, a company whose products I've used before and been happy with. 
       
      The product I was looking at mentions containing vitamin K -- red flag???    But on this ingredients list it either isn't there or I missed it.   What do you think about this?  Or about the idea of digestive enzymes in general?
       
      Thanks for your input.
       
       
      Guaranteed Analysis per Four Tablets:

      DL-Methionine 10 mg
      Cystine 5 mg
      Linoleic Acid 25 mg
      Calcium 50 mg
      Phosphorus 25 mg
      Potassium 0.25 mg
      Magnesium 1.5 mg
      Iron 1.5 mg
      Copper 0.030 mg
      Zinc 1 mg
      Iodine 0.040 mg
      Selenium 0.0035 mg
      Vitamin A 900 IU
      Vitamin D3 50 IU
      Vitamin E 5 IU
      Menadione 0.002 mg
      Thiamine 2 mg
      Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) 2 mg
      Pantothenic Acid 5 mg
      Niacin 5 mg
      Pyridoxine (Vitamin B6) 2 mg
      Folic Acid 0.002 mg
      Biotin 0.002 mg
      Vitamin B12 0.002 mg
      Choline 5 mg
      Taurine 200 mg
      *Gamma Linelenic Acid 10 mg
      *Ascorbic Acid 20 mg
      *Inositol 2 mg
      *Para-amino- benzoic Acid 2 mg
      Betaine HCl 10 mg
      *Lecithin 5 mg
      *Lipase (2.5 USP Units) 2.5 mg3
      *Pepsin (4.5 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
      *Papain (3 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
      *Bromelain (0.9 GD Units) 1.5 mg2
      *Protease (26.0 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
       

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    • Sue
      Susan, One side-effect of heart disease is cachexia (muscle wasting) due to changes in the cat s body chemistry. I don t believe it has anything to do with
      Message 2 of 6 , Jun 2, 2009
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        Susan,

        One side-effect of heart disease is cachexia (muscle wasting) due to changes
        in the cat's body chemistry. I don't believe it has anything to do with the
        medication, but rather that their bodies simply can't absorb food as well.

        My Pepper was over just under 17 pounds when she got sick and by the time
        she passed, she had lost 3 pounds (2-1/2 years later). What I found worked
        well for her was to give her salmon oil. She got about .25cc twice daily.
        I found that this really slowed the weight loss and during her good times,
        would help her to regain some weight. I tried discontinuing it to verify
        that it really was working - and found that it was!

        Digestive enzymes may also be a good idea. If the product mentions that it
        has vitamin K, then I would probably stay away from it. I normally use
        Prozyme - http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Prozyme/228000.aspx

        FYI - Pepper also had asthma.


        Sue & angels Pepper & Gandy
        with Nicholai, Lola-Joy and Isabella


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Susan Loesch" <pipercatmom@...>
        To: <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:05 AM
        Subject: [FH] Advice needed again -- Big Footsie


        Footsie has done so well for the last couple of months -- he goes to the
        doctor every Friday for a blood pressure check and a listen to his heart and
        lungs. His pressure is down and stable, and other than occasional periods
        where I need to add in the albuterol inhaler again his asthma is stable. I
        weighed him again this past Friday and he has lost 2 lb since early April.
        He looks, to me, like an old kitty who is losing his body fat - but he is
        just 8 1/2. I mentioned this to his vet and he said the weight loss was
        probably fluid since he is on lasix bid. Somehow my gut feeling is that it
        is more than that.

        Have any of you had this experience with HCM cats on medication - that they
        lose weight? I was wondering about giving him digestive enzymes, with or
        without added vitamins - maybe the meds are messing with the absorption of
        nutrients? A friend suggested a product from Only Natural Pets, a company
        whose products I've used before and been happy with.

        The product I was looking at mentions containing vitamin K -- red flag???
        But on this ingredients list it either isn't there or I missed it. What do
        you think about this? Or about the idea of digestive enzymes in general?

        Thanks for your input.
      • Westgold
        hi -- what are you feeding him? He should be on all canned for maximum protein, to keep up his strength. Cats cannot properly digest the carbs in dry food,
        Message 3 of 6 , Jun 2, 2009
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          hi -- what are you feeding him? He should be on all canned for maximum protein, to keep up his strength. Cats cannot properly digest the carbs in dry food, they are obligate carnivores. Give him whatever he loves, and keep food out all the time. Add a little extra water to it to keep it moist. Most cats adore Fancy Feast the best. Don't let him get to thin, he won't be able to keep up his strength. Ask your vet about some periactin to give him when he isn't eating enough. It works like a charm.

          take care -- Michelle & Tigger Too in Toronto
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Susan Loesch
          To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:05 AM
          Subject: [FH] Advice needed again -- Big Footsie





          Footsie has done so well for the last couple of months -- he goes to the doctor every Friday for a blood pressure check and a listen to his heart and lungs. His pressure is down and stable, and other than occasional periods where I need to add in the albuterol inhaler again his asthma is stable. I weighed him again this past Friday and he has lost 2 lb since early April. He looks, to me, like an old kitty who is losing his body fat - but he is just 8 1/2. I mentioned this to his vet and he said the weight loss was probably fluid since he is on lasix bid. Somehow my gut feeling is that it is more than that.

          Have any of you had this experience with HCM cats on medication - that they lose weight? I was wondering about giving him digestive enzymes, with or without added vitamins - maybe the meds are messing with the absorption of nutrients? A friend suggested a product from Only Natural Pets, a company whose products I've used before and been happy with.

          The product I was looking at mentions containing vitamin K -- red flag??? But on this ingredients list it either isn't there or I missed it. What do you think about this? Or about the idea of digestive enzymes in general?

          Thanks for your input.


          Guaranteed Analysis per Four Tablets:

          DL-Methionine 10 mg
          Cystine 5 mg
          Linoleic Acid 25 mg
          Calcium 50 mg
          Phosphorus 25 mg
          Potassium 0.25 mg
          Magnesium 1.5 mg
          Iron 1.5 mg
          Copper 0.030 mg
          Zinc 1 mg
          Iodine 0.040 mg
          Selenium 0.0035 mg
          Vitamin A 900 IU
          Vitamin D3 50 IU
          Vitamin E 5 IU
          Menadione 0.002 mg
          Thiamine 2 mg
          Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) 2 mg
          Pantothenic Acid 5 mg
          Niacin 5 mg
          Pyridoxine (Vitamin B6) 2 mg
          Folic Acid 0.002 mg
          Biotin 0.002 mg
          Vitamin B12 0.002 mg
          Choline 5 mg
          Taurine 200 mg
          *Gamma Linelenic Acid 10 mg
          *Ascorbic Acid 20 mg
          *Inositol 2 mg
          *Para-amino-benzoic Acid 2 mg
          Betaine HCl 10 mg
          *Lecithin 5 mg
          *Lipase (2.5 USP Units) 2.5 mg3
          *Pepsin (4.5 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
          *Papain (3 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
          *Bromelain (0.9 GD Units) 1.5 mg2
          *Protease (26.0 USP Units) 1.5 mg1


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        • Westgold
          yes, keep giving her whatever she wants, keep that Fancy Feast out all the time. It s easier to stop her from losing so much than to try to put on weight
          Message 4 of 6 , Jun 2, 2009
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            yes, keep giving her whatever she wants, keep that Fancy Feast out all the time. It's easier to stop her from losing so much than to try to put on weight after she's lost a lot --
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            From: Kristen G
            To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:51 AM
            Subject: Re: [FH] Advice needed again -- Big Footsie





            My cat Duffer (will be 7 years old in July) was diagnosed with HCM and started Lasix in April. She has lost around 1.5 pounds or a little more. I was concerned about this also and my specialist said that it was probably the lasix and that she wasn't worried about it. Because I have been worried about it, though, I started trying to feed her more of her favorite canned food. It seems like she is eating a whole lot more in the last few weeks, but I haven't weighed her to see if she has gained any weight back. She has always been a pretty small cat and is now down to 9.2 pounds.

            So, I guess I don't really have any advice, but just wanted to say that I understand and the same thing happened to my cat when first going on the heart meds. Maybe it really is the meds.

            Kristen

            ________________________________
            From: Susan Loesch <pipercatmom@yahoo..com>
            To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:05:32 AM
            Subject: [FH] Advice needed again -- Big Footsie

            Footsie has done so well for the last couple of months -- he goes to the doctor every Friday for a blood pressure check and a listen to his heart and lungs. His pressure is down and stable, and other than occasional periods where I need to add in the albuterol inhaler again his asthma is stable. I weighed him again this past Friday and he has lost 2 lb since early April. He looks, to me, like an old kitty who is losing his body fat - but he is just 8 1/2. I mentioned this to his vet and he said the weight loss was probably fluid since he is on lasix bid. Somehow my gut feeling is that it is more than that.

            Have any of you had this experience with HCM cats on medication - that they lose weight? I was wondering about giving him digestive enzymes, with or without added vitamins - maybe the meds are messing with the absorption of nutrients? A friend suggested a product from Only Natural Pets, a company whose products I've used before and been happy with.

            The product I was looking at mentions containing vitamin K -- red flag??? But on this ingredients list it either isn't there or I missed it. What do you think about this? Or about the idea of digestive enzymes in general?

            Thanks for your input.


            Guaranteed Analysis per Four Tablets:

            DL-Methionine 10 mg
            Cystine 5 mg
            Linoleic Acid 25 mg
            Calcium 50 mg
            Phosphorus 25 mg
            Potassium 0.25 mg
            Magnesium 1.5 mg
            Iron 1.5 mg
            Copper 0.030 mg
            Zinc 1 mg
            Iodine 0.040 mg
            Selenium 0.0035 mg
            Vitamin A 900 IU
            Vitamin D3 50 IU
            Vitamin E 5 IU
            Menadione 0.002 mg
            Thiamine 2 mg
            Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) 2 mg
            Pantothenic Acid 5 mg
            Niacin 5 mg
            Pyridoxine (Vitamin B6) 2 mg
            Folic Acid 0.002 mg
            Biotin 0.002 mg
            Vitamin B12 0.002 mg
            Choline 5 mg
            Taurine 200 mg
            *Gamma Linelenic Acid 10 mg
            *Ascorbic Acid 20 mg
            *Inositol 2 mg
            *Para-amino- benzoic Acid 2 mg
            Betaine HCl 10 mg
            *Lecithin 5 mg
            *Lipase (2.5 USP Units) 2.5 mg3
            *Pepsin (4.5 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
            *Papain (3 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
            *Bromelain (0.9 GD Units) 1.5 mg2
            *Protease (26.0 USP Units) 1.5 mg1


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          • elfinmyst@aol.com
            Hi None of my HCM cats lost weight, in fact they gained it once they were feeling better. Have you had Footsie s thyroid checked? That can affect cats of his
            Message 5 of 6 , Jun 3, 2009
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              Hi

              None of my HCM cats lost weight, in fact they gained it once they were
              feeling better. Have you had Footsie's thyroid checked? That can affect cats of
              his age and is usually shown by weight loss, looking thin and eating
              loads.

              The other thing may be his metabolism has speeded up and he needs more
              food. Also, has he been wormed recently and you might want to consider a high
              calorie food. When mine lose weight, a few weeks on the kitten food bucks
              them up.

              :) Lyn

              _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)


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