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Advice needed again -- Big Footsie

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  • Susan Loesch
    Footsie has done so well for the last couple of months -- he goes to the doctor every Friday for a blood pressure check and a listen to his heart and lungs. 
    Message 1 of 6 , Jun 2, 2009
      Footsie has done so well for the last couple of months -- he goes to the doctor every Friday for a blood pressure check and a listen to his heart and lungs.  His pressure is down and stable, and other than occasional periods where I need to add in the albuterol inhaler again his asthma is stable.  I weighed him again this past Friday and he has lost 2 lb since early April.  He looks, to me, like an old kitty who is losing his body fat - but he is just  8 1/2.   I mentioned this to his vet and he said the weight loss was probably fluid since he is on lasix bid.  Somehow my gut feeling is that it is more than that.
       
      Have any of you had this experience with HCM cats on medication - that they lose weight?  I was wondering about giving him digestive enzymes, with or without added vitamins - maybe the meds are messing with the absorption of nutrients?  A friend suggested a product from Only Natural Pets, a company whose products I've used before and been happy with. 
       
      The product I was looking at mentions containing vitamin K -- red flag???    But on this ingredients list it either isn't there or I missed it.   What do you think about this?  Or about the idea of digestive enzymes in general?
       
      Thanks for your input.
       
       
      Guaranteed Analysis per Four Tablets:




      DL-Methionine 10 mg
      Cystine 5 mg
      Linoleic Acid 25 mg
      Calcium 50 mg
      Phosphorus 25 mg
      Potassium 0.25 mg
      Magnesium 1.5 mg
      Iron 1.5 mg
      Copper 0.030 mg
      Zinc 1 mg
      Iodine 0.040 mg
      Selenium 0.0035 mg
      Vitamin A 900 IU
      Vitamin D3 50 IU
      Vitamin E 5 IU
      Menadione 0.002 mg
      Thiamine 2 mg
      Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) 2 mg
      Pantothenic Acid 5 mg
      Niacin 5 mg
      Pyridoxine (Vitamin B6) 2 mg
      Folic Acid 0.002 mg
      Biotin 0.002 mg
      Vitamin B12 0.002 mg
      Choline 5 mg
      Taurine 200 mg
      *Gamma Linelenic Acid 10 mg
      *Ascorbic Acid 20 mg
      *Inositol 2 mg
      *Para-amino-benzoic Acid 2 mg
      Betaine HCl 10 mg
      *Lecithin 5 mg
      *Lipase (2.5 USP Units) 2.5 mg3
      *Pepsin (4.5 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
      *Papain (3 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
      *Bromelain (0.9 GD Units) 1.5 mg2
      *Protease (26.0 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
       

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    • Kristen G
      My cat Duffer (will be 7 years old in July) was diagnosed with HCM and started Lasix in April.  She has lost around 1.5 pounds or a little more.  I was
      Message 2 of 6 , Jun 2, 2009
        My cat Duffer (will be 7 years old in July) was diagnosed with HCM and started Lasix in April.  She has lost around 1.5 pounds or a little more.  I was concerned about this also and my specialist said that it was probably the lasix and that she wasn't worried about it.  Because I have been worried about it, though, I started trying to feed her more of her favorite canned food.  It seems like she is eating a whole lot more in the last few weeks, but I haven't weighed her to see if she has gained any weight back.  She has always been a pretty small cat and is now down to 9.2 pounds. 

        So, I guess I don't really have any advice, but just wanted to say that I understand and the same thing happened to my cat when first going on the heart meds.  Maybe it really is the meds.

        Kristen




        ________________________________
        From: Susan Loesch <pipercatmom@yahoo..com>
        To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:05:32 AM
        Subject: [FH] Advice needed again -- Big Footsie





        Footsie has done so well for the last couple of months -- he goes to the doctor every Friday for a blood pressure check and a listen to his heart and lungs.  His pressure is down and stable, and other than occasional periods where I need to add in the albuterol inhaler again his asthma is stable.  I weighed him again this past Friday and he has lost 2 lb since early April.  He looks, to me, like an old kitty who is losing his body fat - but he is just  8 1/2.   I mentioned this to his vet and he said the weight loss was probably fluid since he is on lasix bid.  Somehow my gut feeling is that it is more than that.
         
        Have any of you had this experience with HCM cats on medication - that they lose weight?  I was wondering about giving him digestive enzymes, with or without added vitamins - maybe the meds are messing with the absorption of nutrients?  A friend suggested a product from Only Natural Pets, a company whose products I've used before and been happy with. 
         
        The product I was looking at mentions containing vitamin K -- red flag???    But on this ingredients list it either isn't there or I missed it.   What do you think about this?  Or about the idea of digestive enzymes in general?
         
        Thanks for your input.
         
         
        Guaranteed Analysis per Four Tablets:

        DL-Methionine 10 mg
        Cystine 5 mg
        Linoleic Acid 25 mg
        Calcium 50 mg
        Phosphorus 25 mg
        Potassium 0.25 mg
        Magnesium 1.5 mg
        Iron 1.5 mg
        Copper 0.030 mg
        Zinc 1 mg
        Iodine 0.040 mg
        Selenium 0.0035 mg
        Vitamin A 900 IU
        Vitamin D3 50 IU
        Vitamin E 5 IU
        Menadione 0.002 mg
        Thiamine 2 mg
        Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) 2 mg
        Pantothenic Acid 5 mg
        Niacin 5 mg
        Pyridoxine (Vitamin B6) 2 mg
        Folic Acid 0.002 mg
        Biotin 0.002 mg
        Vitamin B12 0.002 mg
        Choline 5 mg
        Taurine 200 mg
        *Gamma Linelenic Acid 10 mg
        *Ascorbic Acid 20 mg
        *Inositol 2 mg
        *Para-amino- benzoic Acid 2 mg
        Betaine HCl 10 mg
        *Lecithin 5 mg
        *Lipase (2.5 USP Units) 2.5 mg3
        *Pepsin (4.5 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
        *Papain (3 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
        *Bromelain (0.9 GD Units) 1.5 mg2
        *Protease (26.0 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
         

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      • Sue
        Susan, One side-effect of heart disease is cachexia (muscle wasting) due to changes in the cat s body chemistry. I don t believe it has anything to do with
        Message 3 of 6 , Jun 2, 2009
          Susan,

          One side-effect of heart disease is cachexia (muscle wasting) due to changes
          in the cat's body chemistry. I don't believe it has anything to do with the
          medication, but rather that their bodies simply can't absorb food as well.

          My Pepper was over just under 17 pounds when she got sick and by the time
          she passed, she had lost 3 pounds (2-1/2 years later). What I found worked
          well for her was to give her salmon oil. She got about .25cc twice daily.
          I found that this really slowed the weight loss and during her good times,
          would help her to regain some weight. I tried discontinuing it to verify
          that it really was working - and found that it was!

          Digestive enzymes may also be a good idea. If the product mentions that it
          has vitamin K, then I would probably stay away from it. I normally use
          Prozyme - http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Prozyme/228000.aspx

          FYI - Pepper also had asthma.


          Sue & angels Pepper & Gandy
          with Nicholai, Lola-Joy and Isabella


          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Susan Loesch" <pipercatmom@...>
          To: <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:05 AM
          Subject: [FH] Advice needed again -- Big Footsie


          Footsie has done so well for the last couple of months -- he goes to the
          doctor every Friday for a blood pressure check and a listen to his heart and
          lungs. His pressure is down and stable, and other than occasional periods
          where I need to add in the albuterol inhaler again his asthma is stable. I
          weighed him again this past Friday and he has lost 2 lb since early April.
          He looks, to me, like an old kitty who is losing his body fat - but he is
          just 8 1/2. I mentioned this to his vet and he said the weight loss was
          probably fluid since he is on lasix bid. Somehow my gut feeling is that it
          is more than that.

          Have any of you had this experience with HCM cats on medication - that they
          lose weight? I was wondering about giving him digestive enzymes, with or
          without added vitamins - maybe the meds are messing with the absorption of
          nutrients? A friend suggested a product from Only Natural Pets, a company
          whose products I've used before and been happy with.

          The product I was looking at mentions containing vitamin K -- red flag???
          But on this ingredients list it either isn't there or I missed it. What do
          you think about this? Or about the idea of digestive enzymes in general?

          Thanks for your input.
        • Westgold
          hi -- what are you feeding him? He should be on all canned for maximum protein, to keep up his strength. Cats cannot properly digest the carbs in dry food,
          Message 4 of 6 , Jun 2, 2009
            hi -- what are you feeding him? He should be on all canned for maximum protein, to keep up his strength. Cats cannot properly digest the carbs in dry food, they are obligate carnivores. Give him whatever he loves, and keep food out all the time. Add a little extra water to it to keep it moist. Most cats adore Fancy Feast the best. Don't let him get to thin, he won't be able to keep up his strength. Ask your vet about some periactin to give him when he isn't eating enough. It works like a charm.

            take care -- Michelle & Tigger Too in Toronto
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Susan Loesch
            To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:05 AM
            Subject: [FH] Advice needed again -- Big Footsie





            Footsie has done so well for the last couple of months -- he goes to the doctor every Friday for a blood pressure check and a listen to his heart and lungs. His pressure is down and stable, and other than occasional periods where I need to add in the albuterol inhaler again his asthma is stable. I weighed him again this past Friday and he has lost 2 lb since early April. He looks, to me, like an old kitty who is losing his body fat - but he is just 8 1/2. I mentioned this to his vet and he said the weight loss was probably fluid since he is on lasix bid. Somehow my gut feeling is that it is more than that.

            Have any of you had this experience with HCM cats on medication - that they lose weight? I was wondering about giving him digestive enzymes, with or without added vitamins - maybe the meds are messing with the absorption of nutrients? A friend suggested a product from Only Natural Pets, a company whose products I've used before and been happy with.

            The product I was looking at mentions containing vitamin K -- red flag??? But on this ingredients list it either isn't there or I missed it. What do you think about this? Or about the idea of digestive enzymes in general?

            Thanks for your input.


            Guaranteed Analysis per Four Tablets:

            DL-Methionine 10 mg
            Cystine 5 mg
            Linoleic Acid 25 mg
            Calcium 50 mg
            Phosphorus 25 mg
            Potassium 0.25 mg
            Magnesium 1.5 mg
            Iron 1.5 mg
            Copper 0.030 mg
            Zinc 1 mg
            Iodine 0.040 mg
            Selenium 0.0035 mg
            Vitamin A 900 IU
            Vitamin D3 50 IU
            Vitamin E 5 IU
            Menadione 0.002 mg
            Thiamine 2 mg
            Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) 2 mg
            Pantothenic Acid 5 mg
            Niacin 5 mg
            Pyridoxine (Vitamin B6) 2 mg
            Folic Acid 0.002 mg
            Biotin 0.002 mg
            Vitamin B12 0.002 mg
            Choline 5 mg
            Taurine 200 mg
            *Gamma Linelenic Acid 10 mg
            *Ascorbic Acid 20 mg
            *Inositol 2 mg
            *Para-amino-benzoic Acid 2 mg
            Betaine HCl 10 mg
            *Lecithin 5 mg
            *Lipase (2.5 USP Units) 2.5 mg3
            *Pepsin (4.5 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
            *Papain (3 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
            *Bromelain (0.9 GD Units) 1.5 mg2
            *Protease (26.0 USP Units) 1.5 mg1


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          • Westgold
            yes, keep giving her whatever she wants, keep that Fancy Feast out all the time. It s easier to stop her from losing so much than to try to put on weight
            Message 5 of 6 , Jun 2, 2009
              yes, keep giving her whatever she wants, keep that Fancy Feast out all the time. It's easier to stop her from losing so much than to try to put on weight after she's lost a lot --
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Kristen G
              To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:51 AM
              Subject: Re: [FH] Advice needed again -- Big Footsie





              My cat Duffer (will be 7 years old in July) was diagnosed with HCM and started Lasix in April. She has lost around 1.5 pounds or a little more. I was concerned about this also and my specialist said that it was probably the lasix and that she wasn't worried about it. Because I have been worried about it, though, I started trying to feed her more of her favorite canned food. It seems like she is eating a whole lot more in the last few weeks, but I haven't weighed her to see if she has gained any weight back. She has always been a pretty small cat and is now down to 9.2 pounds.

              So, I guess I don't really have any advice, but just wanted to say that I understand and the same thing happened to my cat when first going on the heart meds. Maybe it really is the meds.

              Kristen

              ________________________________
              From: Susan Loesch <pipercatmom@yahoo..com>
              To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:05:32 AM
              Subject: [FH] Advice needed again -- Big Footsie

              Footsie has done so well for the last couple of months -- he goes to the doctor every Friday for a blood pressure check and a listen to his heart and lungs. His pressure is down and stable, and other than occasional periods where I need to add in the albuterol inhaler again his asthma is stable. I weighed him again this past Friday and he has lost 2 lb since early April. He looks, to me, like an old kitty who is losing his body fat - but he is just 8 1/2. I mentioned this to his vet and he said the weight loss was probably fluid since he is on lasix bid. Somehow my gut feeling is that it is more than that.

              Have any of you had this experience with HCM cats on medication - that they lose weight? I was wondering about giving him digestive enzymes, with or without added vitamins - maybe the meds are messing with the absorption of nutrients? A friend suggested a product from Only Natural Pets, a company whose products I've used before and been happy with.

              The product I was looking at mentions containing vitamin K -- red flag??? But on this ingredients list it either isn't there or I missed it. What do you think about this? Or about the idea of digestive enzymes in general?

              Thanks for your input.


              Guaranteed Analysis per Four Tablets:

              DL-Methionine 10 mg
              Cystine 5 mg
              Linoleic Acid 25 mg
              Calcium 50 mg
              Phosphorus 25 mg
              Potassium 0.25 mg
              Magnesium 1.5 mg
              Iron 1.5 mg
              Copper 0.030 mg
              Zinc 1 mg
              Iodine 0.040 mg
              Selenium 0.0035 mg
              Vitamin A 900 IU
              Vitamin D3 50 IU
              Vitamin E 5 IU
              Menadione 0.002 mg
              Thiamine 2 mg
              Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) 2 mg
              Pantothenic Acid 5 mg
              Niacin 5 mg
              Pyridoxine (Vitamin B6) 2 mg
              Folic Acid 0.002 mg
              Biotin 0.002 mg
              Vitamin B12 0.002 mg
              Choline 5 mg
              Taurine 200 mg
              *Gamma Linelenic Acid 10 mg
              *Ascorbic Acid 20 mg
              *Inositol 2 mg
              *Para-amino- benzoic Acid 2 mg
              Betaine HCl 10 mg
              *Lecithin 5 mg
              *Lipase (2.5 USP Units) 2.5 mg3
              *Pepsin (4.5 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
              *Papain (3 USP Units) 1.5 mg1
              *Bromelain (0.9 GD Units) 1.5 mg2
              *Protease (26.0 USP Units) 1.5 mg1


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            • elfinmyst@aol.com
              Hi None of my HCM cats lost weight, in fact they gained it once they were feeling better. Have you had Footsie s thyroid checked? That can affect cats of his
              Message 6 of 6 , Jun 3, 2009
                Hi

                None of my HCM cats lost weight, in fact they gained it once they were
                feeling better. Have you had Footsie's thyroid checked? That can affect cats of
                his age and is usually shown by weight loss, looking thin and eating
                loads.

                The other thing may be his metabolism has speeded up and he needs more
                food. Also, has he been wormed recently and you might want to consider a high
                calorie food. When mine lose weight, a few weeks on the kitten food bucks
                them up.

                :) Lyn

                _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)


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