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  • Lisa Clarizia
    Hi Cindy -- My Lilly has moved twice -- once from Ohio (her home state) to Massachusetts, where I lived at the time, and next from Massachusetts to New Mexico,
    Message 1 of 11 , Apr 28, 2009
      Hi Cindy --

      My Lilly has moved twice -- once from Ohio (her home state) to
      Massachusetts, where I lived at the time, and next from Massachusetts to New
      Mexico, where we now live. The first time she flew, the second time we
      drove (two days in the car.)

      If you fly, pick an airline that will let you keep her in the cabin.
      Lilly's foster mother, Moriah, did this. The airlines will tell you if they
      allow this or not, your kitty will be treated as a carry-on, and you will
      need to use an approved carrier for her. Lilly was lightly sedated for the
      flight (butorphenol, aka "Kitty Valium"), and handled it fine. Better than
      the other three cats did.

      For the car trip, I made sure to get her checked out before we left, and
      also got sedatives and lasix, in case either was needed. Lilly doesn't
      normally take lasix, but if she went into CHF unexpectedly, I wanted some on
      hand to give to her. My vet agreed, based on my previous experience with my
      heart kitty, she knew I'd know when to give it. As it happened, neither was
      needed.

      In either case, you will want to get/do the following:

      - A health certificate. You can get this from your vet. You may need it
      for licensure in your new home, and you will definitely need it if you fly.
      It states the animal is fit to fly (heart condition won't necessarily rule
      that out, Lilly's heart is a mess and she got one) and that it has been
      vaccinated according to law.

      - Your vet records. I got copies for all my cats, and kept them with me, in
      case there was an emergency.

      - If you drive, you may want to pre-locate emergency veterinary hospitals en
      route, for peace of mind. I programmed them into my GPS, just in case.

      - Many hotels allow you to keep a pet with you, for a fee.

      - Check out vets in advance. We were lucky since my fiance's best friend is
      a veterinary student and worked all over this area during the summers and
      could give us advice about which vets were best. There are no real
      specialists here, but the vet we picked has a cat-only practice and
      extensive experience with heart kitties as a vet and with her own cat.

      Hope that helps!

      Lisa

      On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:29 PM, animalmindswanttoknow <
      challigan2@...> wrote:

      >
      >
      > Hi everyone,
      >
      > It has been sometime since I've posted and need some serious advice. I have
      > been contemplating a big move to another city. I am thinking about going
      > back to school but the program I am VERY interested in is in another city.
      > Aside from the fact that the new city lacks a vet heart specialist, I am
      > concerned about my heart kitty flying and moving. He has been quite healthy
      > since his RCM diagnosis September long wknd 2007. Anyway, I will consult our
      > heart vet and our integrative vet before the move to also get advice, but I
      > was wondering if anyone here has moved with their heart kitty? I have been
      > wanting to do this change for at least a year now and can't wait another
      > year. I feel like my life has been on hold because of my cats' health. Plus
      > I think I will be a happier person for pursuing this degree. I've thought
      > about this change for years but have yet to do it. I worry about my
      > furbabies. I would appreciate any advice. Thank you in advance, Cindy
      >


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    • Judi Levens
      Hi Cindy; I haven t moved since Max was dx with CHF, but we do travel to Mexico by air every winter and stay for 6 months. Our vet at home was very much
      Message 2 of 11 , Apr 28, 2009
        Hi Cindy; I haven't moved since Max was dx with CHF, but we do travel to Mexico by air every winter and stay for 6 months. Our vet at home was very much opposed to taking Max on a plane but we simply had no option. He's "sailed" through 3 trips since then and we are getting ready for another one next week. I am not saying you will not have a problem, just that Max hasn't. One thing we do is we have our pet communicator check in with him before the flight and make sure he understands what's happening...you may not believe in them, but she has helped us very much, and particularly with this. Max is ready...not necessarily happy, but he gets through it. Also, I keep his carrier open in the car on the way to the airport so he's not too confined, and as soon as we get back in the car after we land...that way the time in the carrier is minimized. I keep my hand in the carrier while we are at the airport (the sounds and all the movement/people is frightening to a cat.) We cover the carrier with a large scarf while we are in the airport so that he isn't looking at all the activity. As far as the move goes, you have to do what is right for you...your cat will understand this, and he knows you love him, so just try to make it as easy on him as possible...eg. try to have some toys with you and his favorite things to lie on when you get there...maybe put your robe out for him to lie on so that he can smell you and make sure you have the same covers on your bed he's used to...those kinds of things. Also, since a move is traumatic for a cat, I would use the pet communicator to explain it also.

        good luck...Judi and Max









        To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
        From: challigan2@...
        Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:29:52 +0000
        Subject: [FH] moving and flying







        Hi everyone,

        It has been sometime since I've posted and need some serious advice. I have been contemplating a big move to another city. I am thinking about going back to school but the program I am VERY interested in is in another city. Aside from the fact that the new city lacks a vet heart specialist, I am concerned about my heart kitty flying and moving. He has been quite healthy since his RCM diagnosis September long wknd 2007. Anyway, I will consult our heart vet and our integrative vet before the move to also get advice, but I was wondering if anyone here has moved with their heart kitty? I have been wanting to do this change for at least a year now and can't wait another year. I feel like my life has been on hold because of my cats' health. Plus I think I will be a happier person for pursuing this degree. I've thought about this change for years but have yet to do it. I worry about my furbabies. I would appreciate any advice. Thank you in advance, Cindy










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      • Westgold
        Well, I certainly wouldn t risk it. He s doing fine now, but all the stress of flying and who-knows-what that could happen to him while he s out of your
        Message 3 of 11 , Apr 28, 2009
          Well, I certainly wouldn't risk it. He's doing fine now, but all the stress of flying and who-knows-what that could happen to him while he's out of your sight, that's really tempting fate. If you want to move, the only way I think you should do it is to drive him. And stop often, and rest overnight if it's more than a few hours, etc. Make it as easy as possible on him. Stress is the biggest enemy of our precious heart-kitties, and flying has got to be one of the most stressful things you can put a kitty through. But a nice drive on the seat right next to you, safe in his carrier, that should be a million times safer. How far is your move?
          take care -- Michelle & Tigger Too, Toronto
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: animalmindswanttoknow
          To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:29 PM
          Subject: [FH] moving and flying





          Hi everyone,

          It has been sometime since I've posted and need some serious advice. I have been contemplating a big move to another city. I am thinking about going back to school but the program I am VERY interested in is in another city. Aside from the fact that the new city lacks a vet heart specialist, I am concerned about my heart kitty flying and moving. He has been quite healthy since his RCM diagnosis September long wknd 2007. Anyway, I will consult our heart vet and our integrative vet before the move to also get advice, but I was wondering if anyone here has moved with their heart kitty? I have been wanting to do this change for at least a year now and can't wait another year. I feel like my life has been on hold because of my cats' health. Plus I think I will be a happier person for pursuing this degree. I've thought about this change for years but have yet to do it. I worry about my furbabies. I would appreciate any advice. Thank you in advance, Cindy






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        • Judi Levens
          btw, I was not suggesting flying your cat in cargo...only in the cabin with you...Judi and Max To: challigan2@rogers.com; feline-heart@yahoogroups.com From:
          Message 4 of 11 , Apr 28, 2009
            btw, I was not suggesting flying your cat in cargo...only in the cabin with you...Judi and Max





            To: challigan2@...; feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
            From: westgold@...
            Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:27:00 -0400
            Subject: Re: [FH] moving and flying







            Well, I certainly wouldn't risk it. He's doing fine now, but all the stress of flying and who-knows-what that could happen to him while he's out of your sight, that's really tempting fate. If you want to move, the only way I think you should do it is to drive him. And stop often, and rest overnight if it's more than a few hours, etc. Make it as easy as possible on him. Stress is the biggest enemy of our precious heart-kitties, and flying has got to be one of the most stressful things you can put a kitty through. But a nice drive on the seat right next to you, safe in his carrier, that should be a million times safer. How far is your move?
            take care -- Michelle & Tigger Too, Toronto
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: animalmindswanttoknow
            To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:29 PM
            Subject: [FH] moving and flying

            Hi everyone,

            It has been sometime since I've posted and need some serious advice. I have been contemplating a big move to another city. I am thinking about going back to school but the program I am VERY interested in is in another city. Aside from the fact that the new city lacks a vet heart specialist, I am concerned about my heart kitty flying and moving. He has been quite healthy since his RCM diagnosis September long wknd 2007. Anyway, I will consult our heart vet and our integrative vet before the move to also get advice, but I was wondering if anyone here has moved with their heart kitty? I have been wanting to do this change for at least a year now and can't wait another year. I feel like my life has been on hold because of my cats' health. Plus I think I will be a happier person for pursuing this degree. I've thought about this change for years but have yet to do it. I worry about my furbabies. I would appreciate any advice. Thank you in advance, Cindy

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          • Tanika Lafi
            Hi all, Has anyone been able to reduce Lasix dosage by substituting with parsley or dandelion tea for cats with HCM/DCM? Thanks, Tanika  
            Message 5 of 11 , Apr 28, 2009
              Hi all,

              Has anyone been able to reduce Lasix dosage by substituting with parsley or dandelion tea for cats with HCM/DCM?

              Thanks,

              Tanika
               
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              Until he extends his circle of compassion to include all living things,
              man will not himself find peace.” Albert Schweitzer
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            • Sue
              Tanika, I tried it using dandelion extract and it wasn t strong enough. Sue & angels Pepper & Gandy with Nicholai, Lola-Joy and Isabella ... From: Tanika
              Message 6 of 11 , Apr 28, 2009
                Tanika,

                I tried it using dandelion extract and it wasn't strong enough.


                Sue & angels Pepper & Gandy
                with Nicholai, Lola-Joy and Isabella


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Tanika Lafi" <tanikalafi@...>
                To: <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:23 PM
                Subject: [FH] instead of lasix - dandelion or parsley tea?


                Hi all,

                Has anyone been able to reduce Lasix dosage by substituting with parsley or
                dandelion tea for cats with HCM/DCM?

                Thanks,

                Tanika

                *******************************************************************************“
                Until he extends his circle of compassion to include all living things,
                man will not himself find peace.” Albert Schweitzer
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              • Sue
                If you do decide to fly, I have some links that you may want to check out. http://www.magdrl-nj.com/links2.html#travel-ship Sue & angels Pepper & Gandy with
                Message 7 of 11 , Apr 28, 2009
                  If you do decide to fly, I have some links that you may want to check out.
                  http://www.magdrl-nj.com/links2.html#travel-ship


                  Sue & angels Pepper & Gandy
                  with Nicholai, Lola-Joy & Isabella
                • Carol
                  Hi Tanika, If you re going to try dandelion, it needs to be an extract not just a tea. The tea isn t strong enough. Back in 2003 we did use dandelion leaf
                  Message 8 of 11 , Apr 28, 2009
                    Hi Tanika,

                    If you're going to try dandelion, it needs to be an extract not just a tea. The tea isn't strong enough. Back in 2003 we did use dandelion leaf extract for a while, but eventually we had to use Lasix, because the dandelion wasn't working well enough. I think what we were able to do was keep the dose of Lasix lower when we did give it. We continued the Dandelion leaf extract with the Lasix and were able to give less Lasix, but we had to monitor Sweetie very carefully.

                    I've never used parsley tea, but I've heard that some people have tried it with mild results. I don't think it would be enough to substitute for the medication though.

                    One thing about the dandelion. It has to be dandelion leaf not the root. Most extracts are root, and the dandelion root has a different medicinal action than the leaf. The root acts as a liver detox as well as for digestive problems, and the leaf is what is the diuretic.

                    >>
                    http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/dandelion-000236.htm

                    Today, dandelion roots are mainly used as an appetite stimulant, digestive aid, and for liver and gallbladder function. Dandelion leaves are used as a diuretic to stimulate the excretion of urine.
                    >>

                    If you plan to use a dandelion leaf extract that is a liquid, it's better to get one that is a glycerine base and not alcohol. Most extracts are alcohol. If you do plan to use the herbs, please do this under the supervision of a vet who is knowledgeable on these treatments. Herbs can be just as dangerous as drugs and can have drastic side effects just like drugs. I've been doing a lot of holistic stuff on my furkids for 20 years now, and it's never a good idea to just start something without first discussing it with a qualified vet.


                    hugs,
                    Carol and Snowball and the gang



                    --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, Tanika Lafi <tanikalafi@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hi all,
                    >
                    > Has anyone been able to reduce Lasix dosage by substituting with parsley or dandelion tea for cats with HCM/DCM?
                    >
                    > Thanks,
                    >
                    > Tanika
                  • Kathy Wood
                    Cindy, Sounds like lots of good input coming your way from the group. I posted something similar about 5 months ago & am in the process of trying to move from
                    Message 9 of 11 , Apr 29, 2009
                      Cindy,
                      Sounds like lots of good input coming your way from the group. I posted
                      something similar about 5 months ago & am in the process of trying to
                      move from NC to Manila, Philippines. The advice I've been given by the
                      cardiologist is they don't recommend it but that's more for the sake of
                      their liability. You have to consider what stage of heart condition
                      your baby is in & how important the trip is. In my case, I would never
                      go w/out Sangie so I have to take her. Even w/out a cardiologist in the
                      Philippines, my cardiologist here said they would still consult if
                      echos, etc were faxed/emailed & I just made sure that the vet there has
                      her current heart meds (that was a biggie for me). I'm literally flying
                      on a wing & a prayer I feel but you have to take your life as well as
                      your kitty's into consideration. So, my heart goes out to your dilema.
                      You MUST take your baby in the cabin w/you, as cargo not meant for any
                      animal (in my opinion), esp special-needs animals. My vet recommended
                      no sedation as it really disorients in addition to the stress.......not
                      a good combination. I'm not sure about what Lisa mentioned
                      (butorphenol), but it's worth checking into it. I will probably do the same.
                      Keep me posted on how things go, as I'm very much relate to your situation!
                      k-

                      Judi Levens wrote:

                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi Cindy; I haven't moved since Max was dx with CHF, but we do travel
                      > to Mexico by air every winter and stay for 6 months. Our vet at home
                      > was very much opposed to taking Max on a plane but we simply had no
                      > option. He's "sailed" through 3 trips since then and we are getting
                      > ready for another one next week. I am not saying you will not have a
                      > problem, just that Max hasn't. One thing we do is we have our pet
                      > communicator check in with him before the flight and make sure he
                      > understands what's happening...you may not believe in them, but she
                      > has helped us very much, and particularly with this. Max is
                      > ready...not necessarily happy, but he gets through it. Also, I keep
                      > his carrier open in the car on the way to the airport so he's not too
                      > confined, and as soon as we get back in the car after we land...that
                      > way the time in the carrier is minimized. I keep my hand in the
                      > carrier while we are at the airport (the sounds and all the
                      > movement/people is frightening to a cat.) We cover the carrier with a
                      > large scarf while we are in the airport so that he isn't looking at
                      > all the activity. As far as the move goes, you have to do what is
                      > right for you...your cat will understand this, and he knows you love
                      > him, so just try to make it as easy on him as possible...eg. try to
                      > have some toys with you and his favorite things to lie on when you get
                      > there...maybe put your robe out for him to lie on so that he can smell
                      > you and make sure you have the same covers on your bed he's used
                      > to...those kinds of things. Also, since a move is traumatic for a cat,
                      > I would use the pet communicator to explain it also.
                      >
                      > good luck...Judi and Max
                      >
                      > To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com <mailto:feline-heart%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > From: challigan2@... <mailto:challigan2%40rogers.com>
                      > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:29:52 +0000
                      > Subject: [FH] moving and flying
                      >
                      > Hi everyone,
                      >
                      > It has been sometime since I've posted and need some serious advice. I
                      > have been contemplating a big move to another city. I am thinking
                      > about going back to school but the program I am VERY interested in is
                      > in another city. Aside from the fact that the new city lacks a vet
                      > heart specialist, I am concerned about my heart kitty flying and
                      > moving. He has been quite healthy since his RCM diagnosis September
                      > long wknd 2007. Anyway, I will consult our heart vet and our
                      > integrative vet before the move to also get advice, but I was
                      > wondering if anyone here has moved with their heart kitty? I have been
                      > wanting to do this change for at least a year now and can't wait
                      > another year. I feel like my life has been on hold because of my cats'
                      > health. Plus I think I will be a happier person for pursuing this
                      > degree. I've thought about this change for years but have yet to do
                      > it. I worry about my furbabies. I would appreciate any advice. Thank
                      > you in advance, Cindy
                      >
                      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      >
                      >


                      --
                      Kathy Wood
                      Executive Program Manager
                      UNC-Chapel Hill AGEP
                      Department of Chemistry
                      Kenan Labs, CB#3290
                      p) 919.962.2509
                      f) 919.962.2388
                      kathy_wood@...

                      www.unc.edu/agep
                      www.acsbe.org
                      www.unc.edu/opt-ed
                    • Judi Levens
                      we ve never sedated Max since he has asthma and our vet didn t think it was a good idea...I don t think the sedation is necessary. Our angel Cleo took 5 round
                      Message 10 of 11 , Apr 29, 2009
                        we've never sedated Max since he has asthma and our vet didn't think it was a good idea...I don't think the sedation is necessary. Our angel Cleo took 5 round trips with us; she was a very tense and nonsocial cat, but she was able to handle the air travel. Max is easier going, but it's still difficult for them...nonetheless, they just get "quiet" for the flight...just get through it...Judi and Max







                        > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:45:31 -0400
                        > From: kathy_wood@...
                        > To: casaobelisco@...
                        > CC: challigan2@...; feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: Re: [FH] moving and flying
                        >
                        > Cindy,
                        > Sounds like lots of good input coming your way from the group. I posted
                        > something similar about 5 months ago & am in the process of trying to
                        > move from NC to Manila, Philippines. The advice I've been given by the
                        > cardiologist is they don't recommend it but that's more for the sake of
                        > their liability. You have to consider what stage of heart condition
                        > your baby is in & how important the trip is. In my case, I would never
                        > go w/out Sangie so I have to take her. Even w/out a cardiologist in the
                        > Philippines, my cardiologist here said they would still consult if
                        > echos, etc were faxed/emailed & I just made sure that the vet there has
                        > her current heart meds (that was a biggie for me). I'm literally flying
                        > on a wing & a prayer I feel but you have to take your life as well as
                        > your kitty's into consideration. So, my heart goes out to your dilema.
                        > You MUST take your baby in the cabin w/you, as cargo not meant for any
                        > animal (in my opinion), esp special-needs animals. My vet recommended
                        > no sedation as it really disorients in addition to the stress.......not
                        > a good combination. I'm not sure about what Lisa mentioned
                        > (butorphenol), but it's worth checking into it. I will probably do the same.
                        > Keep me posted on how things go, as I'm very much relate to your situation!
                        > k-
                        >
                        > Judi Levens wrote:
                        >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Hi Cindy; I haven't moved since Max was dx with CHF, but we do travel
                        > > to Mexico by air every winter and stay for 6 months. Our vet at home
                        > > was very much opposed to taking Max on a plane but we simply had no
                        > > option. He's "sailed" through 3 trips since then and we are getting
                        > > ready for another one next week. I am not saying you will not have a
                        > > problem, just that Max hasn't. One thing we do is we have our pet
                        > > communicator check in with him before the flight and make sure he
                        > > understands what's happening...you may not believe in them, but she
                        > > has helped us very much, and particularly with this. Max is
                        > > ready...not necessarily happy, but he gets through it. Also, I keep
                        > > his carrier open in the car on the way to the airport so he's not too
                        > > confined, and as soon as we get back in the car after we land...that
                        > > way the time in the carrier is minimized. I keep my hand in the
                        > > carrier while we are at the airport (the sounds and all the
                        > > movement/people is frightening to a cat.) We cover the carrier with a
                        > > large scarf while we are in the airport so that he isn't looking at
                        > > all the activity. As far as the move goes, you have to do what is
                        > > right for you...your cat will understand this, and he knows you love
                        > > him, so just try to make it as easy on him as possible...eg. try to
                        > > have some toys with you and his favorite things to lie on when you get
                        > > there...maybe put your robe out for him to lie on so that he can smell
                        > > you and make sure you have the same covers on your bed he's used
                        > > to...those kinds of things. Also, since a move is traumatic for a cat,
                        > > I would use the pet communicator to explain it also.
                        > >
                        > > good luck...Judi and Max
                        > >
                        > > To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com <mailto:feline-heart%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > From: challigan2@... <mailto:challigan2%40rogers.com>
                        > > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:29:52 +0000
                        > > Subject: [FH] moving and flying
                        > >
                        > > Hi everyone,
                        > >
                        > > It has been sometime since I've posted and need some serious advice. I
                        > > have been contemplating a big move to another city. I am thinking
                        > > about going back to school but the program I am VERY interested in is
                        > > in another city. Aside from the fact that the new city lacks a vet
                        > > heart specialist, I am concerned about my heart kitty flying and
                        > > moving. He has been quite healthy since his RCM diagnosis September
                        > > long wknd 2007. Anyway, I will consult our heart vet and our
                        > > integrative vet before the move to also get advice, but I was
                        > > wondering if anyone here has moved with their heart kitty? I have been
                        > > wanting to do this change for at least a year now and can't wait
                        > > another year. I feel like my life has been on hold because of my cats'
                        > > health. Plus I think I will be a happier person for pursuing this
                        > > degree. I've thought about this change for years but have yet to do
                        > > it. I worry about my furbabies. I would appreciate any advice. Thank
                        > > you in advance, Cindy
                        > >
                        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > >
                        > >
                        >
                        >
                        > --
                        > Kathy Wood
                        > Executive Program Manager
                        > UNC-Chapel Hill AGEP
                        > Department of Chemistry
                        > Kenan Labs, CB#3290
                        > p) 919.962.2509
                        > f) 919.962.2388
                        > kathy_wood@...
                        >
                        > www.unc.edu/agep
                        > www.acsbe.org
                        > www.unc.edu/opt-ed
                        >
                        >


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