sorry, I forgot that I must change the recipient of the mail if I want to
send it to the list ...
> Thank you so much for doing all this research.
Oh, never mind, it was my own interest as well! ;-)
> I have to admit, I don't understand most of it though.
Really? Hm, I think, after reading it 3 or 4 times it's understandable ...
> What I'm gathering is that the interaction of CoQ10 having vitamin K
> properties may only be with Coumadin/Warfarin.
That's exactly how I understodd what I found and the reason, why I don't
understand, why CoQ10 might interfere with Plavix as well.
> I've searched and searched so much about this because my mom takes
> the Coumadin and my cats take CoQ10 and I just don't know for sure
> what the answers are to this.
Nor do I ... Mine don't need any clot prevention, the last results of the
examination even were much better that 1 year ago, but I definitely want
to be prepared ...
> I agree with you about changing food and/or supplements and meds,
> to always do it very slowly and with the guidance of the vet.
Difficult with CoQ10, if you have a vet who doesn't believe in such
supplements at all ... :-(
> Blood thinning and clotting isn't something you want to mess around
Oh no, DEFINITELY not!
> What I've done with my mom and the cats is, since they were ALREADY
> taking CoQ10 and have for years, then were introduced to the blood
> thinners, I figure that what the docs based their blood thinner dose on
> was already taking into consideration the CoQ10 in their system, since
> all the blood tests were done while they were already on CoQ10.
Did your vet do blood tests with Snowball to find out the right amount of
"blood thinner" for him (or her? sorry ...)? I know that it's "rather"
easy doing such tests for humans, but all information I could find for
cats look rather complicated, and in Germany I haven't yet found anybody
who does blood checks to find the right dosage ...
But nevertheless: I doubt that you can see anything, bevore you start
giving Warfarin. Then, after the start, when you check how it works, you
should see a difference I think.
> What I probably wouldn't do, without doing it slowly and under the
> direct supervision from a qualified cardiologist, is add CoQ10 to a cat
> that already has been on blood thinners for a long time.
Yes, I agree with you.
> Now beginning CoQ10 simultaneously with blood thinners...that I'm not
> sure about either.
Nor am I ...
> I'd really like to find out for sure if this Vitamin K thing with the
> CoQ10 only applies to Coumadin/Warfarin, or if it applies to all blood
So would I ... Hm, what a pity, I could have asked my cardiologist
yesterday. Well, he wouldn't have known anything about CoQ10, I guess, but
he might be able to tell me something about Vitamin K - would at least
have been a beginning.
Carol, what do you think about this idea:
In the German heart kitties list we've got a table in the database
section, where we collect "questions for cardiologists". The aim of this
table is: Whenever a member goes to a cardiologist, he or she should ask
the cardiologist at least one of the questions of that table in addition
to the own questions - or add a new questions plus answer to the table
after the cardio visit. - To be honest, it doesn't work too fine, too many
members are too good in forgetting about the table, but nevertheless I
wouldn't want to miss it. And I'm going to add the question about CoQ10 /
Vitamin K and blood thinners in our German table ... I don't know if you
think that such a kind of table might be an idea for this list as well ...
> I think that the Vitamin K activity, however much there is, in CoQ10
> can't be that much that it would interfere with the blood thinners we
> give our cats, especially the doses we give. We don't give mega doses
> of CoQ10, in my opinion, to make any difference.
My feeling says the same, but of course I don't know ...
> But then again, I just don't know for sure.
> This is going to be an ongoing subject I think. I really appreciate the
> research you did Bettina. I know how long that must have taken.
It wasn't really that long, for I was content with Wikipedia and didn't
try to find much more, to be honest. ;-)
> I'm going to put the info as a file in our "Files" section for everyone to
> access easily.
Let's hope that we'll be able to put some answers there later as well ... ;-)
Greetings from Bettina and unfortunately 3 heart kitties now (my 8 weeks
old boy Burke Rusty was just diagnosed with severe tricuspidal valve
insufficiency yesterday, almost no chance that he'll be able to celebrate
his first birthday - but that's a subject for another mail ...)