Re:Afraid to keep giving Prenisolone to Mama - any ideas?
- My sincere apologies - the product I was refereing to is Standard Process
Feline Cardiac Support:
The toxic ingredients are alfalfa, kelp. I also question several other
ingredients. The product by Veri Science is OK.
Here is the list of the SP product:
Ingredients: Bovine orchic CytosolT extract, bovine adrenal, bovine heart
PMGT extract, bovine liver, Tillandsia usneoides, alfalfa juice, bovine and
ovine spleen, L-carnitine, bovine heart CytosolT extract, buckwheat leaf
juice and seed, bovine kidney, Emblica officinalis, rice bran, pea vine
juice, nutritional yeast, Crataegus oxyacantha, ribonucleic acid, kelp,
bovine adrenal CytosolT extract, wheat germ oil, oat flour, and bone meal.
Sorry, I was in a hurry and got the two names confused.
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- I looked up all the ingredients as much as I could find and here's
some info. Personally, I don't like this supplement... too many
ingredients and no explanation as to why they're in there. They make
a plain glandular in their "human" line called Cardiotrophin PMG,
which is just Bovine heart. I might use that one instead.
This is what Standard Process says about it's ingredients:
Unique Product Attributes: The ingredients in Feline Cardiac Support
work together to promote the healthy functioning of the feline heart.
Rice bran, pea vine, buckwheat, and alfalfa juice:
-Whole vitamin complexes and chelated minerals complement and enhance
the beneficial effects of the tissue factors
-Whole food based vitamin E complex offers strong antioxidant
Bovine heart, liver, and kidney; and bovine and ovine spleen:
-Support corresponding tissues in the feline
Heart Protomorphogen extracts; and heart and adrenal Cytosol
Standard Process' unique glandular extracts
-Support the internal nutritional environment and help maintain
normal myocardial cell function
Emblica officinalis (Indian gooseberry) and Crataegus oxyacantha
-Support heart health at the cellular level
>>So, all of these ingredients I'm assuming are the glandulars.
>>Bovine orchic CytosolT extract,
bovine heart PMGT extract,
bovine and ovine spleen,
bovine heart CytosolT extract,
bovine adrenal CytosolT extract,
>>Then there's the L-carnitine, hawthorn extract and bone meal.
Crataegus oxyacantha (hawthorn)
>>It looks like the Spanish moss, buckwheat and Indian gooseberry are
safe for cats from what I found. The Spanish moss possibly is in
there for it's blood glucose properties, which I'm not sure how that
relates to heart kitties. The buckwheat is in there because it
contains Rutin. The Indian gooseberry for it's antioxidant
>>Tillandsia usneoides (Spanish moss)
extracts of Spanish Moss (Tillandsia usneoides), a non-parasitic
epiphyte in the pineapple family, have been found in a few studies to
reduce blood glucose in laboratory animals. The compound primarily
responsible is called HMG, short for 3-hydroxy-3-methylglutaric acid.
HMG is now featured as an ingredient in a few herbal diabetic
buckwheat leaf juice and seed
Buckwheat contains rutin, a powerful anti-oxidant
Buckwheat contains rutin, a phytochemical of the flavonoid group and
a powerful anti-oxidant, that protects the body against a variety of
damaging oxidative toxins, especially those released by the body from
mineral-fiber irritation. By itself, rutin is a more potent free
radical quencher than either vitamin C or vitamin E. Synergistically,
the three work together as an even stronger anti-oxidant powerhouse.*
Emblica officinalis (Indian gooseberry)
A strong antioxidant and immune building vitamin.
>>I still don't know why they have to put alfalfa in there, and unless
it's a tiny amount, I don't like that it's in there.
Alfalfa powder, alfalfa sprouts
Alfalfa, known also as lucerne (legume), is widely used as a staple
fodder plant for livestock, and has application in human health as
tonic, antifungal, laxative, diuretic, detoxifier, digestive,
nutritive, and anti-arthritic. However, when referencing veterinary
literature it is listed as a toxic plant for cats. Alfalfa contains
cyanide producing compounds (cyanogenic glycosides) which will only
be destroyed by adequate cooking. In humans, these toxic substances
are detoxified by the liver when ingested in small quantities, but in
the much smaller cat alfalfa frequently cause vomiting, abdominal
pain and/or diarrhea. Raw plant matter of any kind, including alfalfa
sprouts and alfalfa powder, will lead to severe indigestion in the
cat, who is not equipped to properly digest raw plant matter as a
Alone the fact that alfalfa alkalizes the body makes it a dangerous
substance to use in the cat's diet. Cats depend on a slightly acidic
acid-base balance; a high body pH - as induced with the use of
alfalfa - will put the cat at greater risk of developing urinary
>>We all know that kelp, which contains iodine, isn't good for cats,
since iodine stimulates the thyroid and that's not good for
hyperthyroid cats or any cats for that matter.
>>The rest of these ingredients, aren't toxic to cats, but Standard
Process doesn't really go into why they're in the formulas.
pea vine juice
wheat germ oil
>>Their "human" supplement, Cardiotrophin PMG, is just a glandular with
no added ingredients.
Each tablet supplies 120 mg bovine heart PMG extract.
Proprietary Blend: 185 mg
Bovine heart PMG extract and magnesium citrate.
Other Ingredients: Calcium lactate, cellulose, and calcium stearate.
I've tried to contact Standard Process in the past and they've not
been very forthcoming as to their reasons why they insist on putting
alfalfa and kelp in their formulas. They're in just about all of
I think I'd probably stick to a straight glandular. If you Google the
words - heart glandular - you'll come up with a lot of sites that
have other glandulars besides Standard Process.
If anyone else knows more about any of these SP ingredients, please
Hope this helps.
Carol and Snowball and the gang
- Figures there'd be one link that didn't go in right. Here's the link
to the Cardiotrophin. http://tinyurl.com/3d5645
Carol and Snowball and the gang
- Hi Faye;
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From: "Elegantzebra" <elegantzebra@...>
> Personally, if it were my cat I would stop the Pred - it does nothing to
> help, just covers up symptoms. My cat is highly allergic to it and gets
> very sick with it - >since 7 years ago. I refuse to give steroids. If
> you decide not give her - stop it slowly - not all at once, cut down over
> maybe 3 days or so. If you just started it, >it may be OK to just stop.
I must presume, here, that you have never had to follow a specific
"protocol" set up by the experts in the oncology field. I had posted Max's
site to show two specific protocols, and on that page I noted that when we
changed one item in one of the protocols, Max ended up succombing to
paralysis, which meant he was then on a slippery slope he could not recover.
When one is dealing with cancer it is a very different proposition to drop
even one drug given specifically along with other drugs to have a certain
effect on cancerous cells, which is much different than the regular masking
process that happens. As I stated in a previous posting, we made the choice
you are suggesting in that we dropped the prednisone, for the same reasons,
and Max's cancer came back whereas another cat that has stayed with the
correct protocol still hasn't come out of remission.
Pat and all the boys.