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Followup on Seymour ... good news!

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  • grgb
    Hi, I posted here about a month ago about our 4-year-old Maine Coon/Norwegian Forest Cat mix Seymour, who had an episode of severely dilated eyes, agitation
    Message 1 of 3 , Jul 2 1:26 PM
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      Hi, I posted here about a month ago about our 4-year-old Maine
      Coon/Norwegian Forest Cat mix Seymour, who had an episode of
      severely dilated eyes, agitation and vision impairment, but he
      checked out fine at the opthamologists and then upon further
      investigation we found out most likely he had an enlarged heart.
      That suspicion stemmed from a likely murmur that was heard by the
      opthomologist, although our regular vet didn't hear it, and an X-
      ray. His bloodwork checked out absolutely normal.

      I've not posted anything since then because we've really been in
      kind of a holding pattern on things. Seymour quickly snapped back to
      normal and has been fine, absolutely his normal self, and I didn't
      go ahead and start him on any of the recommended supplements because
      I wanted to get him checked out at the cardiologist's first and see
      exactly what we were dealing with. We have been giving him a baby
      asprin every four days, as per our regular vet's instructions, to
      try to prevent any potential clots (we never have found out what
      caused that incident, although the suspicion is a possible mini-
      stroke).

      Because of a variety of things (we were out of town for a while), we
      were not able to get to the cardiologist's until today. Seymour had
      an echocardiogram and a Doppler study done this morning.

      The results were encouraging. Seymour does have feline hypertrophic
      cardiomyopathy, in that he has a mild to moderate ... the
      cardiologist, who we really liked and was really good about
      explaining every step of the procedures in detail not just to me but
      to our two kids, who went with me to keep Seymour company on the 65-
      mile trip, said it was really on the border between the two
      descriptions ... enlargement of the walls of his left atrium and
      left ventricle, as well as enlargement of the papillary muscles in
      his left ventricle. The cardiologist said unlike with the walls of
      the atrium and ventricle, she could not determine exactly how big
      the papillaries were from her exam, she just said "there a bit
      bigger than I'd like them to be."

      Her suggested treatment? Nothing, other than continuing the asprin
      and increasing it to every three days. She said that again, Seymour
      is right on the border between treating with medicine and not
      treating with medicine. She said that treating him with medicine
      would not hurt him, but that in her opinion we should not start it
      yet and continue to monitor the situation and repeat the cardiac
      exam in nine months and see if there was any need to change this
      approach. However, she also said that if he should have another
      incident like the one on Memorial Day that started this, we were to
      bring him in sooner than nine months and we would immediately
      revisit whether to start medicine or not.

      She said there are no guarantees, but that she expects us to have
      Seymour around to enjoy for many more years.

      So, as I said, it was an encouraging report.

      My question ... and I know I probably asked this a month ago, but I
      don't feel like doing a search and I can't find my notes ... is
      regarding adding supplements to the mix.

      According to the vet, this is not an acute, severe situation, so I
      don't know that I need to fill him full of stuff. However, I would
      like to do something to help him maintain the status quo situation.
      What supplements would be best for doing that?
    • Carol
      hi, Did you have Seymour s blood pressure checked? I would probably get that done to rule out any kind of damage to the eyes from high blood pressure (can
      Message 2 of 3 , Jul 2 6:27 PM
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        hi,

        Did you have Seymour's blood pressure checked? I would probably get
        that done to rule out any kind of damage to the eyes from high blood
        pressure (can cause detached retina/blindness).

        As far as supplements, these are some of the ones that we give our
        guys.

        ~taurine 250mg/day,

        ~L-carnitine 250mg/day,

        ~CoQ10 30 to 60mg/day (CoQ10 that has a tiny bit of vitamin E in it
        is said to absorb better than straight CoQ10 powder),

        ~DMG/dimethylglycine 125mg/day (it comes in foil wrapped sublinqual
        tablets that you can cut in half and give half twice a day, but make
        sure you wrap up the unused half well or it being exposed to light
        and air will make it melt).

        ~a supplement called Cardio Strength by VetriScience (Cardio S in
        the UK) has some of the above, so if you use this one, don't give as
        much of the others separately.

        ~Nattokinase 50 to 72mg/day (Nattokinase is an enzyme that helps
        prevent and/or disolve clots. The difference between Natto and
        something like Heparin that is the medication often prescribed for
        clots, is that the Natto actually "digests" the clot, where the
        Heparin just breaks it up. You don't give Natto at the same time as
        any other blood thinner type drug (aspirin or heparin), since they
        all have the same actions as blood thinners. There are many
        brands...this is the one that we used: NattoZyme by Nutricology
        http://www.organic-pharmacy.com/Nutricology/Nattozyme.htm


        I'd definitely get his blood pressure checked just to rule out
        anything going on there.


        Carol and Snowball and the gang
      • Kristi
        Sally was officially diagnosed at the age of 2 with moderate HCM. She also had a grade III murmur that was first noticed when she was 8 months old. I started
        Message 3 of 3 , Jul 3 8:27 AM
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          Sally was officially diagnosed at the age of 2 with moderate HCM.
          She also had a grade III murmur that was first noticed when she was
          8 months old. I started her on twice daily Diltiazem and per the IM
          specialist's recommendations, brought her in for an ultrasound every
          year. Over time, her left ventricle went from 1.8 to almost normal
          size.

          She is now 13.5, her HCM is still considered moderate, still a grade
          III murmur but now she is also taking Lasix and Enalapril for mitral
          valve regurgitation. She is also fighting off lymphoma which
          doesn't make the situation easier. Her vets were concerned about
          her heart deteriorating after two episodes of medication related
          CHF, but the cardiologist and IM specialist were both pleasantly
          surprised to see that her heart wasn't enlarged and still looked
          pretty good.

          I haven't tried giving her supplements for her heart. She has IBD
          and normally vomits anywhere from 2-3 times a week to daily. She
          has had strong reactions to almost every medication I have ever
          given her, even antibiotics have made her sick. The only thing she
          seem to be able to tolerate is Clavamox. I didn't want to aggravate
          things with supplements and she hasn't seemed to need anything other
          than the Diltiazem.

          Her HCM hasn't kept her from living a normal, healthy life. Yes
          she's made a few more trips to the vet than normal and I've gotten
          VERY good with a pill gun, but if you didn't know she had a heart
          problem, you wouldn't have been able to tell anything was wrong with
          her. As long as you have Seymour's heart checked once a year, you
          should be fine. You sound like you're pretty in tune with him and
          know when something's not right. Keep up with that! Sally's
          breaths per minute vary but when she starts wheezing or making a
          sound almost like a rusty purr then I know there's trouble. HCM is
          not a death sentence! I think you'll have many many happy years
          wtih your sweet boy.

          Good luck!
          Kristi & Sally Maria
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