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Is there value in supplementing "healthy" cats?

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  • s_l_toth
    While I am nowhere near ready to adopt another cat after losing my beloved furbabies Spunky and Gemma, eventually I probably will. I found dealing with the
    Message 1 of 6 , May 3, 2008
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      While I am nowhere near ready to adopt another cat after losing my
      beloved furbabies Spunky and Gemma, eventually I probably will. I
      found dealing with the heart disease really tough. I know it can't be
      avoided and I would do anything I can for any cat that I ever have.
      But I was wondering if there's any value in supplementing a cat that
      is not diagnosed with heart disease with taurine and CoQ10 - or
      something like Vetriscience Cardio Strength. Would it be good for
      them or harmful?

      Sandy and Angels Spunky and Gemma
    • rzivorad
      Hi Sandy! My cat suffers from dilated cardiomyopathy and I have been giving her 30mg of C0Q10 daily, for months now. I am sure it works well for her. I also
      Message 2 of 6 , May 4, 2008
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        Hi Sandy!

        My cat suffers from dilated cardiomyopathy and I have been giving her
        30mg of C0Q10 daily, for months now. I am sure it works well for her. I
        also have a friend whose wife has been using it for months (Coxsackie
        virus damaged her heart), with great result. But... I am also member of
        Cats Forum at about.com. There, I suggested the use of CoQ10 to a lady
        which cat also suffers from heart disease. Then another lady almost
        killed me (joke, of course) because of my "irresponsible suggestion".
        She said that she used CoQ10, having the intention to improve her
        already healthy heart. Epilogue: she acquired strong heart arrhythmia,
        which was confirmed by wearing Holter monitor. It reversed when she
        discontinued CoQ10.

        Moral of this story: You cant make healthy organ more healthy by any
        means. Trying to do this you can easily spoil it. It is known that CoQ10
        is essential for heart. The lack of it can cause heart muscle weaken. In
        healthy beings, when all nutrients are present, body makes it for
        itself. It is proven fact that patients with heart disease have
        insufficient level of CoQ10. What when CoQ10 is in excess? Nobody really
        knows, I told you just one story.

        Regards, Deda
      • Judi Levens
        Hi all; this is a little surprising to me. I take CQ10 because I take Lipitor and my doctor suggested I take it to avoid muscle cramps in the legs. I ve
        Message 3 of 6 , May 4, 2008
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          Hi all; this is a little surprising to me. I take CQ10 because I take Lipitor and my doctor suggested I take it to avoid muscle cramps in the legs. I've read elsewhere that it's good for this, but I can't believe it would be suggested by doctors if it was going to cause arrhythmia in a normal heart. I wonder if there wasn't something else involved. I have been taking it for a few years with no side effects that I'm aware of, and would then think that it would be OK for healthy cats too. Judi and Max


          To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.comFrom: rzivorad@...: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:59:40 +0000Subject: [FH] Re: Is there value in supplementing "healthy" cats?




          Hi Sandy!My cat suffers from dilated cardiomyopathy and I have been giving her30mg of C0Q10 daily, for months now. I am sure it works well for her. Ialso have a friend whose wife has been using it for months (Coxsackievirus damaged her heart), with great result. But... I am also member ofCats Forum at about.com. There, I suggested the use of CoQ10 to a ladywhich cat also suffers from heart disease. Then another lady almostkilled me (joke, of course) because of my "irresponsible suggestion".She said that she used CoQ10, having the intention to improve heralready healthy heart. Epilogue: she acquired strong heart arrhythmia,which was confirmed by wearing Holter monitor. It reversed when shediscontinued CoQ10.Moral of this story: You cant make healthy organ more healthy by anymeans. Trying to do this you can easily spoil it. It is known that CoQ10is essential for heart. The lack of it can cause heart muscle weaken. Inhealthy beings, when all nutrients are present, body makes it foritself. It is proven fact that patients with heart disease haveinsufficient level of CoQ10. What when CoQ10 is in excess? Nobody reallyknows, I told you just one story.Regards, Deda







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        • Lisa Clarizia
          I m going to respond to this at length later, but biochemically speaking, it s unlikely that excess q10 would cause the kind of problems mentioned by the
          Message 4 of 6 , May 5, 2008
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            I'm going to respond to this at length later, but biochemically speaking,
            it's unlikely that excess q10 would cause the kind of problems mentioned by
            the original poster. Co-q10 functions in electron transport, whatever is in
            excess is typically excreted.

            Lisa

            On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Judi Levens <casaobelisco@...>
            wrote:

            > Hi all; this is a little surprising to me. I take CQ10 because I take
            > Lipitor and my doctor suggested I take it to avoid muscle cramps in the
            > legs. I've read elsewhere that it's good for this, but I can't believe it
            > would be suggested by doctors if it was going to cause arrhythmia in a
            > normal heart. I wonder if there wasn't something else involved. I have been
            > taking it for a few years with no side effects that I'm aware of, and would
            > then think that it would be OK for healthy cats too. Judi and Max
            >
            > To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.comFrom <feline-heart%40yahoogroups.comFrom>:
            > rzivorad@... <rzivorad%40yahoo.comDate>: Sun, 4 May 2008
            > 13:59:40 +0000Subject: [FH] Re: Is there value in supplementing "healthy"
            > cats?
            >
            > Hi Sandy!My cat suffers from dilated cardiomyopathy and I have been giving
            > her30mg of C0Q10 daily, for months now. I am sure it works well for her.
            > Ialso have a friend whose wife has been using it for months (Coxsackievirus
            > damaged her heart), with great result. But... I am also member ofCats Forum
            > at about.com. There, I suggested the use of CoQ10 to a ladywhich cat also
            > suffers from heart disease. Then another lady almostkilled me (joke, of
            > course) because of my "irresponsible suggestion".She said that she used
            > CoQ10, having the intention to improve heralready healthy heart. Epilogue:
            > she acquired strong heart arrhythmia,which was confirmed by wearing Holter
            > monitor. It reversed when shediscontinued CoQ10.Moral of this story: You
            > cant make healthy organ more healthy by anymeans. Trying to do this you can
            > easily spoil it. It is known that CoQ10is essential for heart. The lack of
            > it can cause heart muscle weaken. Inhealthy beings, when all nutrients are
            > present, body makes it foritself. It is proven fact that patients with heart
            > disease haveinsufficient level of CoQ10. What when CoQ10 is in excess?
            > Nobody reallyknows, I told you just one story.Regards, Deda
            >
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            >
            >
            >


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          • rzivorad
            Hi Judi! Remember sentence I told you just one story ? The lady whom I mentioned was quite certain that her troubles had come from CoQ10, because after she
            Message 5 of 6 , May 5, 2008
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              Hi Judi!

              Remember sentence "I told you just one story"? The lady whom I
              mentioned was quite certain that her troubles had come from CoQ10,
              because after she had discontinued it, her problems disappeared. She
              tried it again, with the same result, and then she discontinued it
              forever.

              You suppose that you are healthy, but how can you be sure? Maybe you
              have low level of CoQ10 in your body, which is signaled by your legs
              muscles' cramps. Maybe long-term use of it preserved your heart, and you
              were not aware of it. Who knows? I am just one more layman. The lack of
              CoQ10 is documented in patients with heart failure. Its influence on
              so-called "healthy" people was not investigated. By the way,
              whom do we regard healthy – one without clinical symptoms of
              disease, or that one whose complete body works properly. Anyway, I won't
              be surprised if, one day, they start to use blood level of this coenzyme
              to predict heart failure.

              Kindest regards from Deda



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            • Judi Levens
              It was both the cardiologist who started the South Beach Diet, and my alternative physician, who is a cardiologist and a specialist in hormones who told me
              Message 6 of 6 , May 6, 2008
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                It was both the cardiologist who started the South Beach Diet, and my "alternative" physician, who is a cardiologist and a specialist in hormones who told me that the use of CQ10 in conjunction with Lipitor is recommended. I would take their advice over the lady who told you a story...sorry...Judi


                To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.comFrom: rzivorad@...: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:00:46 +0000Subject: [FH] Re: Is there value in supplementing "healthy" cats?




                Hi Judi!Remember sentence "I told you just one story"? The lady whom Imentioned was quite certain that her troubles had come from CoQ10,because after she had discontinued it, her problems disappeared. Shetried it again, with the same result, and then she discontinued itforever.You suppose that you are healthy, but how can you be sure? Maybe youhave low level of CoQ10 in your body, which is signaled by your legsmuscles' cramps. Maybe long-term use of it preserved your heart, and youwere not aware of it. Who knows? I am just one more layman. The lack ofCoQ10 is documented in patients with heart failure. Its influence onso-called "healthy" people was not investigated. By the way,whom do we regard healthy � one without clinical symptoms ofdisease, or that one whose complete body works properly. Anyway, I won'tbe surprised if, one day, they start to use blood level of this coenzymeto predict heart failure.Kindest regards from Deda[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







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