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  • Liz
    Hello all, I just joined the group today. My one and a half year old cat Julian was diagnosed on Saturday with a heart murmur. It was not present when he was
    Message 1 of 7 , Oct 1, 2007
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      Hello all,
      I just joined the group today. My one and a half year old cat Julian
      was diagnosed on Saturday with a heart murmur. It was not present
      when he was neutered last year, so the vet believes it is due to a
      faulty valve. He said he is about a 3 to 3.5 on a scale of 1 to 6,
      so it developed rapidly. He had two x-rays today that are already
      showing some enlargement of the heart and swollen pulmonary tubes.
      They are running a blood test to determine how far along it is and we
      should have the results back in a week. We are starting him today on
      Lasix.

      Just looking for some input from those that have been dealing with
      this for a little longer... what we can expect? He is showing no
      signs of illness whatsoever and is very active. We are worried sick
      about him. Has anyone out there tried any of the homeopathic
      treatments available? I have a lot of faith in herbal medicine
      versus conventional and am wondering if I should be pursuing some of
      these options instead of the standard medication.

      I would love to hear from anyone whose cat has lived with this for
      years. What food do you feed him, we currently buy Iams Indoor
      formula and wonder how the sodium content compares to other foods.
      We'd like to hope that he will live a long, healthy life so long as
      we monitor him and provide the best treatment available. We do not
      want to lose our little guy!

      Elizabeth
    • Carol
      Hi Elizabeth, Welcome to to the group, although I m sorry you have to be here. You ll find a lot of knowledge and support here. ... We are starting him today
      Message 2 of 7 , Oct 1, 2007
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        Hi Elizabeth,

        Welcome to to the group, although I'm sorry you have to be here.
        You'll find a lot of knowledge and support here.
        >>
        We are starting him today on Lasix.
        >>

        Why did the vet start your kitty on Lasix? Was there evidence of
        fluid buildup in or around the lungs or heart? I've never heard of
        giving the diuretics without evidence of fluid buildup. Just because
        he has a heart murmur and some early stage heart disease, isn't a
        reason to be taking Lasix right away. If I'm wrong about that,
        someone please correct me, but I thought that the Lasix was given
        when there was fluid buildup.

        Usually a cat with a heart murmur will be put on some kind of heart
        meds like Atenolol. Lasix is very hard on the kidneys so it's not
        something you just want to give the kitty "in case" fluids might
        build up. Some heart kitties end up with kidney failure from the
        Lasix and other diuretics, so it's not to be given lightly. Our
        Chris was diagnosed with HCM (hypertrophic cardiomyopathy) a year
        ago, was put on Lasix, and this summer was diagnosed with kidney
        failure.

        >>
        Has anyone out there tried any of the homeopathic treatments
        available? I have a lot of faith in herbal medicine
        versus conventional and am wondering if I should be pursuing some of
        these options instead of the standard medication.
        >>

        I've used a lot of holistic treatments for my heart kitties,
        including homeopathy and herbal medicine (they're two different
        things). You don't want to try using homeopathy or herbs on your
        kitty without consulting a holistic vet who is familiar with using
        them. There are so many herbs that cats have reactions to, and
        homeopathic remedies really need to be "fit" to the individual
        patient. There's not a one size fits all in homoepathy. The vet has
        to do a workup on the cat, taking into consideration the cats
        personality, symptoms, behavior, many other things. Then after they
        get all the info together, they go into their homeopathy repertory
        to find what remedies will fit for the patient.

        I used to give my angel Sweetie a lot of homeopathic remedies, but
        never just picked things out on my own. I worked with a vet who
        prescribed the remedies. Same with the herbal things. You don't want
        to just pick out things that you read about and give them to your
        kitty, because there are interactions between herbs and meds that
        you may not know about. A lot of research needs to be done with
        herbal treatments too. An example is the drug digitalis, which is
        given to correct irregular heartbeats. You don't want to give
        digitalis or any form of it AND give the herb foxglove (the herb the
        digitalis is made from). Also the herb hawthorne is sometimes given
        to correct irregular heartbeat, and the same goes for that. You
        don't give it with digitalis drugs, it can cause an overdose.

        There is a lot you can do holistically, but please do it under the
        supervision of a qualified holistic vet. I didn't have one around
        where I lived, so I worked with two different vets via long distance
        (phone & email). I would fax or email them any of my cat's test
        results, bloodwork, writeups from xrays or ultrasounds, and talk on
        the phone about it all or email, and they'd tell me what remedies to
        get. We'd give them and report back, just like with your regular vet.

        Some supplements that help with heart disease that are safe to use
        are CoQ10, DMG (Dimethylglycine) and Taurine. Many folks give all 3
        of these supplements. I gave Chris 60mg of CoQ10 twice a day, some
        give a lower dose 3 x a day. He also got half of a 125mg DMG tablet
        twice a day. We didn't give Chris Taurine, so I'm not sure of the
        dose.

        Anyway, I hope I haven't confused you! Please find out about the
        Lasix though... whether or not your kitty already has fluid buildup
        or not, and if not, ask the vet why he's prescribed it already.

        One thing you should do is go see a specialist, a cardiologist vet.
        They've got a lot more experience with dealing with the heart meds
        and all that, than a regular vet does.

        Some of the other members who know more than I do will chime in here
        too and share their knowledge.

        I hope your kitty will be well for a long, long time.

        hugs,
        Carol & Angel Chris 9/6/07
        Puddy Boo Punkie MeanMama Misty Snowball and Chelsea
        (angels Fritzy'02, Sweetie'03, Ducky'05, Bouncer'06 and Muffy'06)

        "I know you're there...a breath away's not far to where you are."
      • toomany_kittys
        Hi Elizabeth, Welcome to the group. I m sorry that your Julian has HCM. A lot of cats can live for years with meds, supplements and a little bit of luck. The
        Message 3 of 7 , Oct 1, 2007
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          Hi Elizabeth,
          Welcome to the group. I'm sorry that your Julian has HCM. A lot of cats
          can live for years with meds, supplements and a little bit of luck. The
          supplements Carol mentioned are used by many of our HCM cats. The only
          thing that I would add is to please have a cardiac ultrasound done by a
          radiologist who specializes in cardiac ultrasounds. It would indicate
          the severity, regions of the heart involved, muscle atrophy, etc..
          I've used and do use homeopathy, accupuncture, etc. for my cats and
          myself, and some of these therapies may complement the western meds,
          but with HCM western pharmaceutical meds are crucial.
          A quality wet food that my cats like is Wellness.
          May Julian live for many years!!
          El
        • MarisaKatnic@aol.com
          Hi Elizabeth ~ My cat, Oliver, has two valve dysplasias (severe mitral and mild tricuspid) and was diagnosed June 27, 2007, when he showed beginning signs of
          Message 4 of 7 , Oct 2, 2007
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            Hi Elizabeth ~

            My cat, Oliver, has two valve dysplasias (severe mitral and mild tricuspid)
            and was diagnosed June 27, 2007, when he showed beginning signs of illness.
            We beleive he was born with this condition. He turned three years old on
            July 21.
            With his medications and natural supplements we are striving for a longer
            life than what the cardiologist beleives. Currently, he is thriving but knows
            his limitations.

            As far as the natural supplements I give him together with his medications I
            would recommend Standard Process. They have a cardiac formula and it is all
            natural. Here is the link to peruse:
            _http://www.standardprocess.com/display/VeterinaryCatalog.spi?ID=346_
            (http://www.standardprocess.com/display/VeterinaryCatalog.spi?ID=346) and it is sold through veterinarians only.

            Best wishes to you and Julian.

            Marisa and Oliver





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          • Carol
            Oh yes... I forgot about the Standard Process supplements. We gave those to Sweetie too. I use many of their formulas. I buy mine online at
            Message 5 of 7 , Oct 2, 2007
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              Oh yes... I forgot about the Standard Process supplements. We gave
              those to Sweetie too. I use many of their formulas.

              I buy mine online at http://www.spinelife.com and they're a bit
              cheaper from Spinelife than from the vet.

              Carol & Angel Chris 9/6/07
              Puddy Boo Punkie MeanMama Misty Snowball & Chelsea
              (Angels Fritzy '02, Sweetie '03, Ducky '05, Bouncer '06 & Muffy '06)

              "I know you're there...a breath away's not far to where you are."


              >>
              As far as the natural supplements I give him together with his
              medications I would recommend Standard Process. They have a
              cardiac formula and it is all natural. Here is the link to
              peruse:
              http://www.standardprocess.com/display/VeterinaryCatalog.spi?ID=346_
              http://www.standardprocess.com/display/VeterinaryCatalog.spi?
              ID=346) and it is sold through veterinarians only.
              >>
            • Sharyl Cline
              Elizabeth, can you take Julian to a cardiologist or an IM vet for an echo? That is needed to dx his heart condition and develop a treatment plan. I also
              Message 6 of 7 , Oct 2, 2007
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                Elizabeth, can you take Julian to a cardiologist or an IM vet for an echo? That is needed to dx his heart condition and develop a treatment plan. I also question why he is on lasix if there is no fluid build up.

                Here are a couple of links on the nutritional content of canned food.
                http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm
                http://www.geocities.com/jmpeerson/canfood.html

                Yes there are supplements you can give to help strengthen the heart but first you need to know exactly what the problem is.
                Sharyl Pequita and Angel Albert


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              • locolizard
                I haven t posted on the group since this first post back in 2007, but I wanted to say that we lost Julian in February. The vet had always told us to look out
                Message 7 of 7 , Mar 13, 2010
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                  I haven't posted on the group since this first post back in 2007, but I wanted to say that we lost Julian in February. The vet had always told us to look out for coughing, lethargy etc. but there were no signs. We were just laying in bed Valentines morning and heard him running and playing. About ten minutes later we got up, and our baby was gone. The only peace is in knowing that it seems he did not suffer, that it was very sudden. Of course, now I'm wondering if we could have done more. The vet said he would only live 5 to 7 years, but he was only 3 years, 9 months. It was such a shock, and we miss him terribly. He came to us as a kitten, just popped out of the woods one day. Maybe he came because he would have a short life, and at least we were able to give him a good one. He was a very happy, loving cat! I wish we knew exactly what happened, but I did not like the idea of an autopsy. The vet believes that his heart just finally gave out.

                  As hard as it is to part with anything tied to Julian, I do have some leftover Lasix that I'd be happy to give to someone who can use it. It's the generic version through 1-800-Pet-Meds, Salix furosemide, 12.5 mg. Expiration date is 10/19/10. There are 16 pills left, 4 of which I have cut in half (Julian's dosage was half a pill).

                  Best of luck to all of you. These are very special kitties, and I'm glad there are others like us who want to give them the best care and make their time here as happy as possible.

                  Elizabeth



                  --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "Liz" <locolizard@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Hello all,
                  > I just joined the group today. My one and a half year old cat Julian
                  > was diagnosed on Saturday with a heart murmur. It was not present
                  > when he was neutered last year, so the vet believes it is due to a
                  > faulty valve. He said he is about a 3 to 3.5 on a scale of 1 to 6,
                  > so it developed rapidly. He had two x-rays today that are already
                  > showing some enlargement of the heart and swollen pulmonary tubes.
                  > They are running a blood test to determine how far along it is and we
                  > should have the results back in a week. We are starting him today on
                  > Lasix.
                  >
                  > Just looking for some input from those that have been dealing with
                  > this for a little longer... what we can expect? He is showing no
                  > signs of illness whatsoever and is very active. We are worried sick
                  > about him. Has anyone out there tried any of the homeopathic
                  > treatments available? I have a lot of faith in herbal medicine
                  > versus conventional and am wondering if I should be pursuing some of
                  > these options instead of the standard medication.
                  >
                  > I would love to hear from anyone whose cat has lived with this for
                  > years. What food do you feed him, we currently buy Iams Indoor
                  > formula and wonder how the sodium content compares to other foods.
                  > We'd like to hope that he will live a long, healthy life so long as
                  > we monitor him and provide the best treatment available. We do not
                  > want to lose our little guy!
                  >
                  > Elizabeth
                  >
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