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Re: [feline-heart] Boo Boo's (5-6 yrs old)heart and kidney problems

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  • Anyes Moscrip
    ... Hi Linda, Lucie was on Diltiazem. She was lethargic before starting her heart medication. Once she started Diltiazem, she became young again, running,
    Message 1 of 14 , Apr 26, 2000
      >
      > >Right...but what about lethargy? Has anyone experienced that? Norvasc also
      > slows
      > >down the heart rate but there aren't any of the lethargic side effect s
      > from my
      > >experience...what about propanolol and diltiazem....potential side
      > effects????

      Hi Linda,
      Lucie was on Diltiazem. She was lethargic before starting her heart
      medication. Once she started Diltiazem, she became 'young' again, running,
      jumping, and bouncing around the house. No sign of lethargy here.

      Anyes, angel Lucie, Georgina and Angelica
    • Miguel &Linda Irrgang
      Laura, Did your cats ever take atenolol...I guess I m associating the lethargy with atenolol at this point. Thx again, Linda
      Message 2 of 14 , Apr 27, 2000
        Laura,
        Did your cats ever take atenolol...I guess I'm associating the lethargy with
        atenolol at this point.

        Thx again,
        Linda

        Laura Penny wrote:

        > Neither of my cats has had any lethargy from diltiazem.
        >
        > Laura
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Miguel &Linda Irrgang <irrgang@...>
        > To: feline-heart@egroups.com <feline-heart@egroups.com>
        > Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 7:24 PM
        > Subject: Re: [feline-heart] Boo Boo's (5-6 yrs old)heart and kidney problems
        >
        > >Right...but what about lethargy? Has anyone experienced that? Norvasc also
        > slows
        > >down the heart rate but there aren't any of the lethargic side effect s
        > from my
        > >experience...what about propanolol and diltiazem....potential side
        > effects????
        > >I'm trying to learn as much as possible bec it's pretty lonely out here in
        > South
        > >America.
        > >
        > >Thx.
        > >Linda
        > >
        > >Beverly A Ford wrote:
        > >
        > >> The atenolol will slow down the heart rate. It has that kind of effect on
        > >> the heart.
        > >> Bev
        > >>
        > >> ----- Original Message -----
        > >> From: Jonathan Rosenberg <jr40@...>
        > >> To: <feline-heart@egroups.com>
        > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 5:53 PM
        > >> Subject: RE: [feline-heart] Boo Boo's (5-6 yrs old)heart and kidney
        > problems
        > >>
        > >> > > -----Original Message-----
        > >> > > From: earinka [mailto:earinka@...]
        > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 4:01 PM
        > >> > > To: FelineCRF@egroups.com
        > >> > > Cc: feline-heart@egroups.com
        > >> > > Subject: [feline-heart] Boo Boo's (5-6 yrs old)heart and kidney
        > problems
        > >> >
        > >> > > I'm sorry I've been out of touch with everyone. Thank you so much
        > for
        > >> all
        > >> > > your emails. I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to reply to all
        > >> > > individually. My life has been stressful.
        > >> > > I found a specialist for a kidney and heart -- the animal medical
        > center
        > >> > > in manhattan(NY, NY). I took her yesterday for a 2nd opinion. They
        > >> took
        > >> > > sonorgam of her kidneys, heart, took blood again and urine to
        > cultivate.
        > >> >
        > >> > Irina,
        > >> >
        > >> > I am glad that you have finally found a specialist that you (seem to)
        > >> trust.
        > >> > This is certainly the most important thing you could do for Boo Boo.
        > >> >
        > >> > > . . .
        > >> > > He said her heart is really bad:( He told me to give her antenolol
        > 1/4
        > >> > > tab twice a day now(he incresed it to two times, before I only gave
        > her
        > >> > > 1/4 tab a day). He said her heart is too big and pulnory valve is
        > >> > > thickened, heart bits very fast). I am sad. what can I do? They
        > said
        > >> to
        > >> > > stop giving her herbs and vitamins and give her anything
        > >> > > she wants to eat, and keep her away from stress as much as possible.
        > >> >
        > >> > I'm sure we all know how you feel & how painful & difficult this time
        > is.
        > >> > You are doing everything you can for Boo Boo & she knows how much you
        > love
        > >> > her.
        > >> >
        > >> > Thanks for keeping us informed.
        > >> >
        > >> > > -Irina
        > >> >
        > >> > --
        > >> > JR
        > >> > & Tabby (RB), Licorice, Tigger, Lynx
        > >> >
        > >> >
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      • Miguel &Linda Irrgang
        How long was Lucie on diltiazem? Was she on any other meds? I m sorry that I keep asking so many questions. Tonite the Chilean vet came to take Pum s blood
        Message 3 of 14 , Apr 27, 2000
          How long was Lucie on diltiazem? Was she on any other meds? I'm sorry that I keep
          asking so many questions. Tonite the Chilean vet came to take Pum's blood
          pressure but brought earphones that had the wrong size "plug", didn't bring the
          part you strap onto the leg, this is also the same vet (who teaches at the best
          vet school in this country) who told me that Pum had a tumor and would need chemo
          and it turned out (thk god) that he had nothing more than too many skin folds bec
          he's too chunky....I'm sorry, I just get frustrated and feel that it's really
          just me and Pum trying to get it all figured out and if it weren't for this group
          I'd have no one to send me back info and replies.

          Sorry I'm just ventilating...it gets frustrating.

          Thx again for responding.
          Linda

          Anyes Moscrip wrote:

          > >
          > > >Right...but what about lethargy? Has anyone experienced that? Norvasc also
          > > slows
          > > >down the heart rate but there aren't any of the lethargic side effect s
          > > from my
          > > >experience...what about propanolol and diltiazem....potential side
          > > effects????
          >
          > Hi Linda,
          > Lucie was on Diltiazem. She was lethargic before starting her heart
          > medication. Once she started Diltiazem, she became 'young' again, running,
          > jumping, and bouncing around the house. No sign of lethargy here.
          >
          > Anyes, angel Lucie, Georgina and Angelica
          >
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        • Anyes Moscrip
          ... Linda, no need to apologize. I would be terrified in your place with no local source of good information. Lucie was on diltiazem for 6 months, from the
          Message 4 of 14 , Apr 27, 2000
            Miguel &Linda Irrgang wrote:

            > How long was Lucie on diltiazem? Was she on any other meds? I'm sorry that I keep
            > asking so many questions. Tonite the Chilean vet came to take Pum's blood
            > pressure but brought earphones that had the wrong size "plug", didn't bring the
            > part you strap onto the leg, this is also the same vet (who teaches at the best
            > vet school in this country) who told me that Pum had a tumor and would need chemo
            > and it turned out (thk god) that he had nothing more than too many skin folds bec
            > he's too chunky....I'm sorry, I just get frustrated and feel that it's really
            > just me and Pum trying to get it all figured out and if it weren't for this group
            > I'd have no one to send me back info and replies.
            >
            > Sorry I'm just ventilating...it gets frustrating.
            >
            > Thx again for responding.
            > Linda

            Linda, no need to apologize. I would be terrified in your place with no local source
            of good information.

            Lucie was on diltiazem for 6 months, from the day of the ultrasound to her death.
            She started getting spironolactone 4 1/2 months later for fluid build up from the
            subq's (for crf). The last week of her life, her blood pressure was up again and the
            diltiazem was not enough. We redid bp, crf blood panels and all the checks. Her vet
            decided to add Atenolol to her routine, but she died the day we started it. She only
            got one pill of it and died an hour later. Her kidneys had been going downhill
            during the previous 2 weeks after being given cyproheptadine in addition to
            diltiazem. She had a reaction within the hour and never totally recovered.

            Just a reminder to every one, never ever use cyproheptadine (periactin) appetite
            stimulant with any calcium channel blockers. This is a no-no. Referrence is in
            Donald Plumb's book of medications if your vet needs it.

            Anyes, angel Lucie, Georgina and Angelica
          • Laura Penny
            No, they didn t take atenolol. Laura ... From: Miguel &Linda Irrgang To: feline-heart@egroups.com Date: Friday,
            Message 5 of 14 , Apr 28, 2000
              No, they didn't take atenolol.

              Laura

              -----Original Message-----
              From: Miguel &Linda Irrgang <irrgang@...>
              To: feline-heart@egroups.com <feline-heart@egroups.com>
              Date: Friday, April 28, 2000 6:04 AM
              Subject: Re: [feline-heart] Boo Boo's (5-6 yrs old)heart and kidney problems


              >Laura,
              >Did your cats ever take atenolol...I guess I'm associating the lethargy
              with
              >atenolol at this point.
              >
              >Thx again,
              >Linda
              >
              >Laura Penny wrote:
              >
              >> Neither of my cats has had any lethargy from diltiazem.
              >>
              >> Laura
              >>
              >> -----Original Message-----
              >> From: Miguel &Linda Irrgang <irrgang@...>
              >> To: feline-heart@egroups.com <feline-heart@egroups.com>
              >> Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 7:24 PM
              >> Subject: Re: [feline-heart] Boo Boo's (5-6 yrs old)heart and kidney
              problems
              >>
              >> >Right...but what about lethargy? Has anyone experienced that? Norvasc
              also
              >> slows
              >> >down the heart rate but there aren't any of the lethargic side effect s
              >> from my
              >> >experience...what about propanolol and diltiazem....potential side
              >> effects????
              >> >I'm trying to learn as much as possible bec it's pretty lonely out here
              in
              >> South
              >> >America.
              >> >
              >> >Thx.
              >> >Linda
              >> >
              >> >Beverly A Ford wrote:
              >> >
              >> >> The atenolol will slow down the heart rate. It has that kind of effect
              on
              >> >> the heart.
              >> >> Bev
              >> >>
              >> >> ----- Original Message -----
              >> >> From: Jonathan Rosenberg <jr40@...>
              >> >> To: <feline-heart@egroups.com>
              >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 5:53 PM
              >> >> Subject: RE: [feline-heart] Boo Boo's (5-6 yrs old)heart and kidney
              >> problems
              >> >>
              >> >> > > -----Original Message-----
              >> >> > > From: earinka [mailto:earinka@...]
              >> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 4:01 PM
              >> >> > > To: FelineCRF@egroups.com
              >> >> > > Cc: feline-heart@egroups.com
              >> >> > > Subject: [feline-heart] Boo Boo's (5-6 yrs old)heart and kidney
              >> problems
              >> >> >
              >> >> > > I'm sorry I've been out of touch with everyone. Thank you so much
              >> for
              >> >> all
              >> >> > > your emails. I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to reply to all
              >> >> > > individually. My life has been stressful.
              >> >> > > I found a specialist for a kidney and heart -- the animal medical
              >> center
              >> >> > > in manhattan(NY, NY). I took her yesterday for a 2nd opinion.
              They
              >> >> took
              >> >> > > sonorgam of her kidneys, heart, took blood again and urine to
              >> cultivate.
              >> >> >
              >> >> > Irina,
              >> >> >
              >> >> > I am glad that you have finally found a specialist that you (seem
              to)
              >> >> trust.
              >> >> > This is certainly the most important thing you could do for Boo Boo.
              >> >> >
              >> >> > > . . .
              >> >> > > He said her heart is really bad:( He told me to give her
              antenolol
              >> 1/4
              >> >> > > tab twice a day now(he incresed it to two times, before I only
              gave
              >> her
              >> >> > > 1/4 tab a day). He said her heart is too big and pulnory valve is
              >> >> > > thickened, heart bits very fast). I am sad. what can I do? They
              >> said
              >> >> to
              >> >> > > stop giving her herbs and vitamins and give her anything
              >> >> > > she wants to eat, and keep her away from stress as much as
              possible.
              >> >> >
              >> >> > I'm sure we all know how you feel & how painful & difficult this
              time
              >> is.
              >> >> > You are doing everything you can for Boo Boo & she knows how much
              you
              >> love
              >> >> > her.
              >> >> >
              >> >> > Thanks for keeping us informed.
              >> >> >
              >> >> > > -Irina
              >> >> >
              >> >> > --
              >> >> > JR
              >> >> > & Tabby (RB), Licorice, Tigger, Lynx
              >> >> >
              >> >> >
              >> >>
              >>
              > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
              >> >> > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million
              alumni
              >> >> > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll
              >> >> > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at:
              >> >> > http://click.egroups.com/1/3139/3/_/892589/_/956699716/
              >> >>
              >>
              > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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              >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
              >> >> > feline-heart-unsubscribe@onelist.com
              >> >> >
              >> >> >
              >> >> >
              >> >> >
              >> >>
              >>
              >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
              >> >> Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget.
              >> >> Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already
              >> >> registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here:
              >> >> http://click.egroups.com/1/2885/3/_/892589/_/956708992/
              >>
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            • Miguel &Linda Irrgang
              Hi Anyes, Thx so much for listening...have a lovely Saturday. Linda and Pum
              Message 6 of 14 , Apr 28, 2000
                Hi Anyes,
                Thx so much for listening...have a lovely Saturday.

                Linda and Pum

                Anyes Moscrip wrote:

                > Miguel &Linda Irrgang wrote:
                >
                > > How long was Lucie on diltiazem? Was she on any other meds? I'm sorry that I keep
                > > asking so many questions. Tonite the Chilean vet came to take Pum's blood
                > > pressure but brought earphones that had the wrong size "plug", didn't bring the
                > > part you strap onto the leg, this is also the same vet (who teaches at the best
                > > vet school in this country) who told me that Pum had a tumor and would need chemo
                > > and it turned out (thk god) that he had nothing more than too many skin folds bec
                > > he's too chunky....I'm sorry, I just get frustrated and feel that it's really
                > > just me and Pum trying to get it all figured out and if it weren't for this group
                > > I'd have no one to send me back info and replies.
                > >
                > > Sorry I'm just ventilating...it gets frustrating.
                > >
                > > Thx again for responding.
                > > Linda
                >
                > Linda, no need to apologize. I would be terrified in your place with no local source
                > of good information.
                >
                > Lucie was on diltiazem for 6 months, from the day of the ultrasound to her death.
                > She started getting spironolactone 4 1/2 months later for fluid build up from the
                > subq's (for crf). The last week of her life, her blood pressure was up again and the
                > diltiazem was not enough. We redid bp, crf blood panels and all the checks. Her vet
                > decided to add Atenolol to her routine, but she died the day we started it. She only
                > got one pill of it and died an hour later. Her kidneys had been going downhill
                > during the previous 2 weeks after being given cyproheptadine in addition to
                > diltiazem. She had a reaction within the hour and never totally recovered.
                >
                > Just a reminder to every one, never ever use cyproheptadine (periactin) appetite
                > stimulant with any calcium channel blockers. This is a no-no. Referrence is in
                > Donald Plumb's book of medications if your vet needs it.
                >
                > Anyes, angel Lucie, Georgina and Angelica
                >
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