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  • ariadne1023
    Hello all~ Other than high blood pressure, Ruby does not have heart disease according to her last US. None the less,a member of both this group and Ruby s CRF
    Message 1 of 4 , Jul 31, 2006
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      Hello all~

      Other than high blood pressure, Ruby does not have heart disease
      according to her last US. None the less,a member of both this group
      and Ruby's CRF group suggested that her current life threatening
      crisis could be better addressed here. To make her long story short,
      Ruby is a 9 year old orange Maine Coon mix who was diagnosed with
      CRF when she was 6.
      She has done great with this. Had a decline about 6 months ago but
      bounced back. Her numbers have even been getting progressively lower.
      All was well until I noticed her breathing had changed in June.
      Pleural Effusion was the cause and this collapsed a portion of her
      lungs.
      After Xrays, two ultrasounds, fluid tap, complete bloodwork, cytology,
      triglycerides(which ruled out chlothorax) another fluid tap a week
      later becuse she filled up again with fluids, more xrays,
      cause of Ruby's pleural effusion and increasing ascites is a mystery
      and a diagnosis is not on the horizon. Sadly, her belly feels like a
      water balloon and she continues to breath abdominally respiration 40.
      The lasix is not working. In contrast to this, she is eating very
      well and continues to be affectionate and alert. She is a girl that
      really loves life and she continues to be interested in everything
      around her. A few days ago spironolactone was added to the lasix.
      Seems she is producing more urine but her breathing seems about the
      same. Vet feels taps are futile since she fills up again.
      She said if there is not a change I should consider PTS.
      (like she is drowning)
      I wish I could bring her to specialists etc. but my resources are
      minimal. As it is, I have sacrificed hot water for her medical care.
      Would take cold showers all year if it kept her in my life.
      I am heart broken and overwhelmed with grief.
      There has got to be a way to remove these fluids.
      Any insight or experience with this would be much appreciated.

      Current meds;

      lasix 1/4 to 1/2 X 1
      spironolacttone 25 mg 1/4 X 2
      prednisolone 1/2 to 1 5mg X 1
      norvasc
      pepcid ac
      calcitriol

      Thank you,

      ~Susan and Ruby
    • Susan Burns
      hi susan.....so sorry to learn about ruby s fluid issues, but there is something that might help.....if you google *feline pleural effusion rutin*, *feline
      Message 2 of 4 , Aug 1, 2006
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        hi susan.....so sorry to learn about ruby's fluid issues, but there is something that might help.....if you google *feline pleural effusion rutin*, *feline ascites rutin* or something similar, you'll find articles on the topic, including the use of rutin (otherwise known as vitamin p, if memory serves)....the standard *cat* dose is 500mgs/day split into 2 doses.....it is inexpensive (about $9/bottle), the pills are rather large, and the best source i found for plain rutin without a bunch of additives was, of all places, gnc.....roger rags took it with the blessings of two cardios, but his heart was just too far gone for it to do much good.....others on this list, as well as the excellent, excellent *wholecathealth* yahoo group have used rutin with great results for reducing or eliminating fluid.....best of luck, susan
        Sadly, her belly feels like a
        water balloon and she continues to breath abdominally respiration 40.
        The lasix is not working.


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      • Janie
        Please get her on Rutin. It is inexpensive and you break the pill up. I used to do it in 1/3 ea meal and I put it in a treat. This is a medical advise as it
        Message 3 of 4 , Aug 1, 2006
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          Please get her on Rutin. It is inexpensive and you break the pill up. I
          used to do it in 1/3 ea meal and I put it in a treat. This is a
          medical advise as it has been prescribed for many. I wonder why the
          fluid is in her belly. Blackie got it and it was not that noticeable
          as it was around her lungs?? Is it white milky when it comes out??
          Blackie lived and her breathing would be 45 to 65 then we did lose her
          finally but rutin helped her stay a few more yrs. Janie
        • kittyinfocrf
          Hi all, I see that Susan has recieved several responses suggesting Rutin. When my Ugs had chylothorax (chyle) this was recommended by her vet and it worked.
          Message 4 of 4 , Aug 2, 2006
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            Hi all,
            I see that Susan has recieved several responses suggesting Rutin.
            When my Ugs had chylothorax (chyle) this was recommended by her vet
            and it worked. Later she developed clear fluid (not chyle) and I was
            advised that Rutin does not work for this.
            Has anyone had Rutin work to help dry up clear fluid around the
            lungs that was not chyle?
            Thank you for your time, best wishes to all.
            Laurie & Angel Ugs-My Sunshine


            --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "ariadne1023" <ariadne1023@...>
            wrote:
            >
            > Hello all~
            >
            > Other than high blood pressure, Ruby does not have heart disease
            > according to her last US. None the less,a member of both this group
            > and Ruby's CRF group suggested that her current life threatening
            > crisis could be better addressed here. To make her long story
            short,
            > Ruby is a 9 year old orange Maine Coon mix who was diagnosed with
            > CRF when she was 6.
            > She has done great with this. Had a decline about 6 months ago but
            > bounced back. Her numbers have even been getting progressively
            lower.
            > All was well until I noticed her breathing had changed in June.
            > Pleural Effusion was the cause and this collapsed a portion of her
            > lungs.
            > After Xrays, two ultrasounds, fluid tap, complete bloodwork,
            cytology,
            > triglycerides(which ruled out chlothorax) another fluid tap a week
            > later becuse she filled up again with fluids, more xrays,
            > cause of Ruby's pleural effusion and increasing ascites is a mystery
            > and a diagnosis is not on the horizon. Sadly, her belly feels like
            a
            > water balloon and she continues to breath abdominally respiration
            40.
            > The lasix is not working. In contrast to this, she is eating very
            > well and continues to be affectionate and alert. She is a girl that
            > really loves life and she continues to be interested in everything
            > around her. A few days ago spironolactone was added to the lasix.
            > Seems she is producing more urine but her breathing seems about the
            > same. Vet feels taps are futile since she fills up again.
            > She said if there is not a change I should consider PTS.
            > (like she is drowning)
            > I wish I could bring her to specialists etc. but my resources are
            > minimal. As it is, I have sacrificed hot water for her medical care.
            > Would take cold showers all year if it kept her in my life.
            > I am heart broken and overwhelmed with grief.
            > There has got to be a way to remove these fluids.
            > Any insight or experience with this would be much appreciated.
            >
            > Current meds;
            >
            > lasix 1/4 to 1/2 X 1
            > spironolacttone 25 mg 1/4 X 2
            > prednisolone 1/2 to 1 5mg X 1
            > norvasc
            > pepcid ac
            > calcitriol
            >
            > Thank you,
            >
            > ~Susan and Ruby
            >
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