Re: [FH] So my baby boys have heart murmurs too
- Sue, your girl is beautiful! I always said the only way I'd get
another cat was if a Maine Coon rescue fell in my lap like my last
guy - he was such a love. But Dexter is so much like one that I am
seriously tempted to keep him (though am a bit leery of having foster
kids who may have major issues around him). Thanks for the tip on
Missing Link - I will stay away!
Anyone know of any other good powdered supplement that I could mix my
taurine, TMG, and carnitine in to simplify life a bit?
Lisa, I guess I need to find out more about how efficiently TMG is
converted into DMG since it seems to be the more important
supplement. I had TMG already since I take it to keep my own
homocysteine levels down and ward off depression. Thanks for the
explanation - I didn't realize DMG had a function beyond methyl
Thank you for your help!
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Lisa Clarizia <lclarizia@g...>
> Sue (and Lisa),
> It wasn't me ... Rosemary's the nutrional guru :)
> Baby Boy gets DMG (dimethylglycine) and TMG (trimethylglycine) --
> different, aside from the number of methyl groups, they dodifferent things.
> DMG serves as an oxygen transport molecule and methyl donor in the
> respiratory cycle of cells. It is dervived from TMG in the body,
> turn is derived from choline. I give this because Baby Boy's hearthas the
> elasticity of a sandwich baggie and I figure he needs all the helpwith
> oxygenation he can get.(which is
> TMG, on the other hand, methylates and detoxifies homocysteine
> harmful) to form methionine (an amino acid). It's debatable howmuch good
> the elimination of homocysteine will actually do for a cat with adisease,
> cardiomyopathy, since homocysteine is implicated in coronary artery
> not cardiomyopathy -- but I give it on the theory that if it helpsprotect
> the integrity of the blood vessel linings, it can't hurt and mayhave a
> *slight* benefit in terms of preventing clot formation.getting
> Basically, if you were to give just one (and with so many cats
> buckets of supplements, you might want to do this) I'd give TMG,since you
> will end up with DMG as a breakdown product of TMG.have to say.
> On 11/2/05, Sue B <rockii@o...> wrote:
> > Lisa,
> > I never heard of TMG and would love to hear what other people
> > I was feeding Missing Link but someone here (Rosemary or Lisa?)
> > that it's really not appropriately formulated for cats. The Kelpcontains
> > something that may actually be harmful and there's too manycarbohydrates.
> > My girl is a Maine Coon - I absolutely love her personality -
> > http://www.magdrl-nj.com/Pepper.html
> > Sue
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "taloah2000" <lisabee@c...>
> > To: <email@example.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: [FH] So my baby boys have heart murmurs too
> > > Thank you Sue...they are all really sweeties although Dexter is
> > > favorite - he has a Maine Coonish personality.are
> > >
> > > I have a couple more supplement questions. I understand people
> > > using DMG for their babies - is anyone using TMG (basically thesame
> > > thing except with three methyl groups instead of two, and muchLink?"
> > > cheaper) instead? And is anyone using the supplement "Missing
> > > I was thinking it might be easier to mix a proportionate amountof
> > > each of the powdered supplements in with it rather than havingto
> > > mash up a new Carnitine (and potentially TMG) every day. Anythoughts
> > > on whether this stuff is truly useful or not?forever
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Lisa (and foster kitties Dexter, Tinytim, and Cameron, and
> > > kitty Gracie)on
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Sue B <rockii@o...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > What cute kittens!
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I would start supplementing. The supplements recommended
> > > this groupround
> > > > would help improve the health of any cat. They are good all-
> > > > supplements. Personally, I take CoQ10 myself.vaccinations can
> > > >
> > > > I might hesitate to get them shots. Sometimes the
> > > affectfrom
> > > > the health of a comprimised animal. My girl had vaccinosis
> > > her rabieswhat it
> > > > shot and required major surgery (twice - I didn't realize
> > > was thelater).
> > > > first time and stupid me - got her another shot two years
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone else on the list have an opinion on that?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sue
- Tinytim is so cute! Where do you live? Michigan?
[She asked hopefully?]
I have two older kitties, one with both HCM and CRF,
but it wouldn't preclude adoption of a new fur baby,
or at least help finding a home for him : )
And our furry family commends you for being such a
good kitty mom to look after your little ones.
Sending you great kitty karma and wishes for homes for
MJ & Rupert & Bimmer
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- Sorry - I am in Metro DC. But yeah, he is utterly adorable. :) And I
really couldn't have done anything else - I am glad to have the chance
to get them started on a good life. I do so hope their little hearts
are ok so that they will be easy to place.
I dunno what it is with me and pets I have fostered/adopted - the
first cat I got from the animal shelter had a double heart murmur
(she's with my mom now as she likes to go outside and I won't let her
here - 7 yrs old and going strong), my foster dog had a heart murmur
and arrhythmia , though not serious, and now three out of four foster
kitties have heart murmurs!!
Thank you for the good wishes for my little guys. :)
--- In email@example.com, MJ Johnson <mjj_007@y...> wrote:
> Tinytim is so cute! Where do you live? Michigan?
> [She asked hopefully?]
> I have two older kitties, one with both HCM and CRF,
> but it wouldn't preclude adoption of a new fur baby,
> or at least help finding a home for him : )
> And our furry family commends you for being such a
> good kitty mom to look after your little ones.
> Sending you great kitty karma and wishes for homes for
> your babies,
> MJ & Rupert & Bimmer
- Hi Lisa,
In a message dated 11/2/05 11:29:07 AM, lisabee@... writes:
<< And is anyone using the supplement "Missing Link?" >>
<< Any thoughts
on whether this stuff is truly useful or not? >>
It is not the slightest bit useful to anyone other than the mfr, which
profits from our ignorance.
These are the primary ingredients in the product: flax seed, blackstrap
molasses, rice bran, primary dried yeast, freeze dried liver, sunflower seed,
dehydrated alfalfa, dried carrot, freeze dried bone, dried fish meal, freeze dried
oyster, sprouted green barley, dried kelp, lecithin, garlic, and yucca
With the exception of liver and bone (and we don't know from which species),
none of those ingredients bears any resemblance to any food that cats have
eaten thruout their evolutionary history, nor do they have a nutritional profile
that compares with any food in the cat's evolutionary diet. There is no valid
nutritional reason to feed a cat any of those ingredients...nor to use the
product, not least of all b/c there is no information on what nutrients those
ingredients contain and in what amts. If a cat really needs the nutrients in a
carrot (and it doesn't), why not feed a carrot? Further, many of the ingredients
are potentially problematic. Just a few examples: alfalfa contains cavanine,
which can block arginine, an essential amino acid for cats; kelp can affect
thyroid function; and garlic is a risk factor for a type of anemia.
If the cat truly needs nutritional support, there is a good multisupplement
available called NuCat (www.vetriscience.com), also sold as Tabby Tabs by a
sister company (www.usanimalnutritionals.com). And there are quality human brand
supplements available for many individual nutrients. // Rosemary