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  • bab006
    Hello, I am new here. I was referred by another group. My cat is about 12? he came as a stray. He was recently diagnosised with Hypertrophic cariomyopathy
    Message 1 of 23 , Jul 18, 2005
      Hello, I am new here. I was referred by another group. My cat is
      about 12? he came as a stray. He was recently diagnosised with
      Hypertrophic cariomyopathy that turned into restrictive
      cardiomyopathy. He was given less than 2 weeks to live. He is now
      over 2 months post diagnosis and doing well. he takes 3 meds a day.
      he was supposed to take more, but we could not get them in him. His
      name is Sim and he is full blooded Siamese. He is beautiful and is so
      very loyal. Just wanted to see if anyone else was dealing with
      anything similar.
      Bridget and Sim.
    • combi_kin
      Hi, Bridget! I joined the group recently myself, when my 13-year-old cat was diagnosed with HCM. It s been a great source of support and information. I know
      Message 2 of 23 , Jul 18, 2005
        Hi, Bridget!

        I joined the group recently myself, when my 13-year-old cat was
        diagnosed with HCM. It's been a great source of support and
        information. I know you will find it as valuable and welcoming as I
        have.

        What problems are you having getting Sim to take the rest of his
        medications? Many group members can offer valuable suggestions on how
        to get him to take his meds.

        Give us the details and we'll try to help.

        All the best,

        Sarah (and Sydney -- 13-year-old calico with HCM)

        --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "bab006" <Bab006@a...> wrote:
        > Hello, I am new here. I was referred by another group. My cat is
        > about 12? he came as a stray. He was recently diagnosised with
        > Hypertrophic cariomyopathy that turned into restrictive
        > cardiomyopathy. He was given less than 2 weeks to live. He is now
        > over 2 months post diagnosis and doing well. he takes 3 meds a
        day.
        > he was supposed to take more, but we could not get them in him. His
        > name is Sim and he is full blooded Siamese. He is beautiful and is
        so
        > very loyal. Just wanted to see if anyone else was dealing with
        > anything similar.
        > Bridget and Sim.
      • turkishangoraathumanesociety
        Hi Bridget! I hope your kitty continues to defy prognosis. I just posted a story about my cat Lillie doing the same on the recent thread about Sonya s
        Message 3 of 23 , Jul 18, 2005
          Hi Bridget! I hope your kitty continues to defy prognosis. I just
          posted a story about my cat Lillie doing the same on the recent thread
          about Sonya's Abigail. I hope it shows how important it is that a
          specialist handles these cases. There is also a folder in the "links"
          section that shows how to find one near you. I don't know much about
          the restrictive side of cardiomyopathy, but know that others here
          do...It is important that actually be diagnosed by a Cardiologist to
          ensure that is REALLY what it is, and that it is properly treated so
          your little siamese baby can continue to thrive. Let us on the board
          know when you have updates!
        • Cristine Fireheart
          Hello all, I m Cristine, new here. :) I have a 2.5 year old fur-kid with a bad heart murmur. She is on Enalopril and Digoxin, and is asymptomatic at the
          Message 4 of 23 , Jan 13 9:13 PM
            Hello all,

            I'm Cristine, new here. :)

            I have a 2.5 year old fur-kid with a bad heart murmur. She is on Enalopril and Digoxin, and is asymptomatic at the moment. If she plays hard with her sibs she might breath hard, but other than that she doesn't show it at all.

            I'd love to be able to give her something natural or herbal to help keep her as good as she is now for as long as I can, any suggestions are more than welcome.

            Blessings,

            Cristine




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          • Leah Ferron
            Cristine, Welcome to you and Daisy May (I hope that is her name). I am sorry to hear of Daisy May s condition but glad you found us. It is good that you found
            Message 5 of 23 , Jan 15 4:21 PM
              Cristine,

              Welcome to you and Daisy May (I hope that is her name). I am sorry to hear of Daisy May's condition but glad you found us. It is good that you found out her condition early and she is asymptomatic. May I ask how she was diagnosed? Did she have an echocardiogram? Has she seen a vet cardiologist? Murmurs do point to heart disease of some type but without an echo it is hard to know what is really going on in there.

              There are other things (supplements) that you can give to Daisy May besides the prescribed drugs that will hopefully slow the progression of the disease such as CoEnzyme Q10 (CoQ10) and others. If you would like a list of some of these supplements, just email me. Also, we recommend a good quality canned diet, which I think you may already have covered by the looks of your website. With supplements and good diet, there is a lot of hope that Daisy May will have a long happy life with you. There are many kitties in this group that have done the same thing, But should Daisy May's condition change, we can help you manage.

              Again, I am glad you found us and be sure to ask any question that you may have even if it isn't heart related, because it often is!

              Leah and her cats and Angel Alec




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            • dmcwlvssr2000
              Thursday had a routine vet check up and found out my Mischka girl has a slight heart murmur. Did a blood panel which came back with good results. Vet
              Message 6 of 23 , May 5, 2007
                Thursday had a routine vet check up and found out my Mischka girl has
                a slight heart murmur. Did a blood panel which came back with good
                results. Vet recommended an ultra sound. She is scheduled for one next
                thursday. I have been reading the messages and I notice with the
                murmurs they all have a numeric value, my vet didn't give any just
                said slight should she have??? History on Mischka... she is a DMH
                siamese tabby mix 11lbs 5 years old. She became very withdrawn when
                she lost her pal MY Thai who is now at RB. I got another kitty and
                that made her with drawl even more. Since then we have grown as 2 more
                kitty's were added to the family. Then we had to move. Since she has
                been in the new place(this last year)she has started to become more
                social and active. Her and my other female have become good friends.
                Thank goodness. She had gained a bit of weight during her with drawl
                and has lost 2 lbs. I thought we were on the good side finally... then
                came this diagnosis. I found the list of questions to ask when the
                test is done and I have learned so much here about the possibilities
                of what could be. Paws crossed this was found early. Will be back with
                more questions I am sure once the test is done. Just wanted to check
                in and say Hi first. My other Kitty's are Linx who is an asthmatic,
                Sundance & Pandia.
                Thanks for being here. Hugs and purrs Donna and Mischka
              • Sara
                Hi Donna, welcome to the group. You are on the right track with getting the ultrasound. Once you find out diagnosis, there are treatments available ( I
                Message 7 of 23 , May 7, 2007
                  Hi Donna, welcome to the group. You are on the right track with getting the ultrasound. Once you find out diagnosis, there are treatments available ( I highly recommend heart support supplements), and many of us here have kitties living healthy years with heart disease.

                  If you look in the Database section of the group site there is Our Furbabies database. It includes details of all our kitties heart disease and treatments so be sure to enter in Mischka's info there too.




                  ----- Original Message ----
                  From: dmcwlvssr2000 <dmcwlvssr2000@...>
                  To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2007 1:38:57 AM
                  Subject: [FH] New here


                  Thursday had a routine vet check up and found out my Mischka girl has
                  a slight heart murmur. Did a blood panel which came back with good
                  results. Vet recommended an ultra sound. She is scheduled for one next
                  thursday. I have been reading the messages and I notice with the
                  murmurs they all have a numeric value, my vet didn't give any just
                  said slight should she have??? History on Mischka... she is a DMH
                  siamese tabby mix 11lbs 5 years old. She became very withdrawn when
                  she lost her pal MY Thai who is now at RB. I got another kitty and
                  that made her with drawl even more. Since then we have grown as 2 more
                  kitty's were added to the family. Then we had to move. Since she has
                  been in the new place(this last year)she has started to become more
                  social and active. Her and my other female have become good friends.
                  Thank goodness. She had gained a bit of weight during her with drawl
                  and has lost 2 lbs. I thought we were on the good side finally... then
                  came this diagnosis. I found the list of questions to ask when the
                  test is done and I have learned so much here about the possibilities
                  of what could be. Paws crossed this was found early. Will be back with
                  more questions I am sure once the test is done. Just wanted to check
                  in and say Hi first. My other Kitty's are Linx who is an asthmatic,
                  Sundance & Pandia.
                  Thanks for being here. Hugs and purrs Donna and Mischka



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                • Leah Ferron
                  Hi Donna, I already welcomed you in the feline-crf group but wanted to welcome you and Mischka to this group too. Let us know how the echocardiogram goes.
                  Message 8 of 23 , May 7, 2007
                    Hi Donna,

                    I already welcomed you in the feline-crf group but wanted to welcome you and Mischka to this group too.

                    Let us know how the echocardiogram goes. Don't be afraid to ask any and all questions of your vets. If you think of questions after you leave a visit, just give them a call. We will help too.

                    Be sure to ask us any questions that you have even if they aren't heart related because they often are.

                    Leah and her cats and Angel Alec




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                  • Eden Tullius
                    I m new to the group, too. But if you say any and all questions go, then I do have one that I d like to ask. Bella is on Lasix, Enalapril, Hydralazine,
                    Message 9 of 23 , May 7, 2007
                      I'm new to the group, too. But if you say any and all questions go, then I do have one that I'd like to ask. Bella is on Lasix, Enalapril, Hydralazine, Digoxin, and Atenolol. She has a large VSD and has been stable for about a year (she is three). I'm going to get her blood tested tomorrow because she is drinking a lot of water. (Not sure if this is because she's just discovered the faucet in the bathroom, but I don't want to overlook this, so I'm going to be safe and get it done). Anyway, Bella is due for her distemper shot. Given her condition and what's she's on, are there any risks associated with getting this shot? I'll ask the vet, too, but just thought I'd send this to the group as well. Btw, I foster kittens so that's why I don't want to skip the distemper. Even though I keep Bella separate from the kittens, you never can be too careful.

                      Thanks,

                      Eden



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                    • Shannon
                      Hi Eden, I know distemper is a horrible illness but I m guessing Bella has been vaccinated before? I also foster (91 cats in the last three years) and my cats
                      Message 10 of 23 , May 7, 2007
                        Hi Eden,

                        I know distemper is a horrible illness but I'm guessing Bella has been
                        vaccinated before? I also foster (91 cats in the last three years) and my
                        cats have been vaccinated but only a couple of times. Daisy has
                        asymptomatic HCM and won't be vaccinated again. She's had one rabies and
                        one distemper and I think that's enough given her condition. I look at it
                        like this: Humans are only vaccinated a couple of times for each illness
                        and the average life span is over 70. Cats are supposed to be vaccinated
                        once a year and their life span is around 15. That doesn't make sense to
                        me. Bella's body is already battling heart disease and to ask her to launch
                        an immune system response to a vacc could cause her condition to worsen.
                        Maybe if she has never had a distemper it should be considered but otherwise
                        I don't think so.

                        Shannon

                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com [mailto:feline-heart@yahoogroups.com] On
                        Behalf Of Eden Tullius
                        Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:53 PM
                        To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [FH] New here, too and have question about distemper vax and heart



                        I'm new to the group, too. But if you say any and all questions go, then I
                        do have one that I'd like to ask. Bella is on Lasix, Enalapril, Hydralazine,
                        Digoxin, and Atenolol. She has a large VSD and has been stable for about a
                        year (she is three). I'm going to get her blood tested tomorrow because she
                        is drinking a lot of water. (Not sure if this is because she's just
                        discovered the faucet in the bathroom, but I don't want to overlook this, so
                        I'm going to be safe and get it done). Anyway, Bella is due for her
                        distemper shot. Given her condition and what's she's on, are there any risks
                        associated with getting this shot? I'll ask the vet, too, but just thought
                        I'd send this to the group as well. Btw, I foster kittens so that's why I
                        don't want to skip the distemper. Even though I keep Bella separate from the
                        kittens, you never can be too careful.

                        Thanks,

                        Eden





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                      • Sue at MAGDRL
                        Donna, Welcome to you and Mischka. As others have said, it s wonderful that you re getting an ultrasound done. It s the only way to truly know what s going
                        Message 11 of 23 , May 8, 2007
                          Donna,

                          Welcome to you and Mischka. As others have said, it's wonderful that you're
                          getting an ultrasound done. It's the only way to truly know what's going
                          on. Is it being done by a cardiologist? They know best how to interpret
                          the test results.

                          Some vets will recommend medications even if the cat is asymptomatic. The
                          thought is that it will slow down the progress of the disease.

                          It's also very important to support her overall health. That would include
                          a good-quality canned food diet and supplement such as CoQ10 which
                          strengthen the heart. There are others too including some amino acids such
                          as l-carnitine, l-lysine and taurine.

                          Please let us know the results of the test and how you guys are doing.


                          Sue & Angel Pepper



                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "dmcwlvssr2000" <dmcwlvssr2000@...>
                          To: <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 1:38 AM
                          Subject: [FH] New here


                          > Thursday had a routine vet check up and found out my Mischka girl has
                          > a slight heart murmur. Did a blood panel which came back with good
                          > results. Vet recommended an ultra sound. She is scheduled for one next
                          > thursday. I have been reading the messages and I notice with the
                          > murmurs they all have a numeric value, my vet didn't give any just
                          > said slight should she have??? History on Mischka... she is a DMH
                          > siamese tabby mix 11lbs 5 years old. She became very withdrawn when
                          > she lost her pal MY Thai who is now at RB. I got another kitty and
                          > that made her with drawl even more. Since then we have grown as 2 more
                          > kitty's were added to the family. Then we had to move. Since she has
                          > been in the new place(this last year)she has started to become more
                          > social and active. Her and my other female have become good friends.
                          > Thank goodness. She had gained a bit of weight during her with drawl
                          > and has lost 2 lbs. I thought we were on the good side finally... then
                          > came this diagnosis. I found the list of questions to ask when the
                          > test is done and I have learned so much here about the possibilities
                          > of what could be. Paws crossed this was found early. Will be back with
                          > more questions I am sure once the test is done. Just wanted to check
                          > in and say Hi first. My other Kitty's are Linx who is an asthmatic,
                          > Sundance & Pandia.
                          > Thanks for being here. Hugs and purrs Donna and Mischka
                          >
                          >
                        • Sue at MAGDRL
                          Eden, I agree with Shannon. My holistic vet said that once a cat is over 6 months and has had vaccinations, it s normally not necessary to give them any
                          Message 12 of 23 , May 8, 2007
                            Eden,

                            I agree with Shannon. My holistic vet said that once a cat is over 6 months
                            and has had vaccinations, it's normally not necessary to give them any
                            additional vaccinations for the rest of their lives. Vaccinations are a big
                            money-maker for vets. Add to that the fact that some are legislated and
                            it's a big mess and very confusing. As someone else said, humans get one
                            or two vaccinations as children and are set for life so it just makes sense
                            the same would apply to a cat.

                            My Pepper had vaccinosis twice from her rabies shot. I didn't quite
                            understand what was going on the first time or I would never have gotten her
                            any more shots after that. She required surgery both times to remove the
                            tumors. We were very fortunate it didn't become cancerous. The second
                            tumor covered most of her back end. The incision went from her right thigh
                            across to her left hip. It was very serious. Six weeks after the second
                            surgery she went into congestive heart failure.

                            Aside from that, it does put a lot of stress on the body and a cat with
                            heart disease doesn't need that.


                            Sue & Angel Pepper



                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Shannon" <shannon5@...>
                            To: "'Eden Tullius'" <eden@...>
                            Cc: <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:09 PM
                            Subject: RE: [FH] New here, too and have question about distemper vax and
                            heart


                            > Hi Eden,
                            >
                            > I know distemper is a horrible illness but I'm guessing Bella has been
                            > vaccinated before? I also foster (91 cats in the last three years) and my
                            > cats have been vaccinated but only a couple of times. Daisy has
                            > asymptomatic HCM and won't be vaccinated again. She's had one rabies and
                            > one distemper and I think that's enough given her condition. I look at it
                            > like this: Humans are only vaccinated a couple of times for each illness
                            > and the average life span is over 70. Cats are supposed to be vaccinated
                            > once a year and their life span is around 15. That doesn't make sense to
                            > me. Bella's body is already battling heart disease and to ask her to
                            launch
                            > an immune system response to a vacc could cause her condition to worsen.
                            > Maybe if she has never had a distemper it should be considered but
                            otherwise
                            > I don't think so.
                            >
                            > Shannon
                            >
                          • lorkatz2004
                            ... Hi I have been mulling also about these vaccinations. I think after you have the core vaccinations, the rabies which is mandatory here, and the booster
                            Message 13 of 23 , May 8, 2007
                              ---
                              Hi

                              I have been mulling also about these vaccinations. I think after you
                              have the "core" vaccinations, the rabies which is mandatory here, and
                              the booster shot at one year.........the new guidelines are now for
                              every three years. I know if I go this vet, my vet will be mad
                              because they lose money.....and they try to tell me that if they went
                              to every third year, no one would bring in their cats for a checkup.

                              And Jinx does not get any vaccinations now since he has been
                              sick.......the cardio vet said if everyone else around him is
                              protected, then he does not need shots.

                              Cathy





                              In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, Sue at MAGDRL <susan@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Eden,
                              >
                              > I agree with Shannon. My holistic vet said that once a cat is over
                              6 months
                              > and has had vaccinations, it's normally not necessary to give them any
                              > additional vaccinations for the rest of their lives. Vaccinations
                              are a big
                              > money-maker for vets. Add to that the fact that some are legislated and
                              > it's a big mess and very confusing. As someone else said, humans
                              get one
                              > or two vaccinations as children and are set for life so it just
                              makes sense
                              > the same would apply to a cat.
                              >
                              > My Pepper had vaccinosis twice from her rabies shot. I didn't quite
                              > understand what was going on the first time or I would never have
                              gotten her
                              > any more shots after that. She required surgery both times to
                              remove the
                              > tumors. We were very fortunate it didn't become cancerous. The second
                              > tumor covered most of her back end. The incision went from her
                              right thigh
                              > across to her left hip. It was very serious. Six weeks after the
                              second
                              > surgery she went into congestive heart failure.
                              >
                              > Aside from that, it does put a lot of stress on the body and a cat with
                              > heart disease doesn't need that.
                              >
                              >
                              > Sue & Angel Pepper
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: "Shannon" <shannon5@...>
                              > To: "'Eden Tullius'" <eden@...>
                              > Cc: <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
                              > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:09 PM
                              > Subject: RE: [FH] New here, too and have question about distemper
                              vax and
                              > heart
                              >
                              >
                              > > Hi Eden,
                              > >
                              > > I know distemper is a horrible illness but I'm guessing Bella has been
                              > > vaccinated before? I also foster (91 cats in the last three
                              years) and my
                              > > cats have been vaccinated but only a couple of times. Daisy has
                              > > asymptomatic HCM and won't be vaccinated again. She's had one
                              rabies and
                              > > one distemper and I think that's enough given her condition. I
                              look at it
                              > > like this: Humans are only vaccinated a couple of times for each
                              illness
                              > > and the average life span is over 70. Cats are supposed to be
                              vaccinated
                              > > once a year and their life span is around 15. That doesn't make
                              sense to
                              > > me. Bella's body is already battling heart disease and to ask her to
                              > launch
                              > > an immune system response to a vacc could cause her condition to
                              worsen.
                              > > Maybe if she has never had a distemper it should be considered but
                              > otherwise
                              > > I don't think so.
                              > >
                              > > Shannon
                              > >
                              >
                            • Eden Tullius
                              Thanks to everyone for your responses on my question regarding the distemper vax. In the past my vet has recommended every other year on these and Bella s last
                              Message 14 of 23 , May 8, 2007
                                Thanks to everyone for your responses on my question regarding the distemper vax. In the past my vet has recommended every other year on these and Bella's last vax was her first round when she was 1. She has never gotten sick from the distemper vax, but the vet doesn't like to do the distemper and the rabies on the same night on her, just to be safe. It makes sense not to keep vaccinating, though, so I will talk to the vet again tonight. Happy news: At three months old, I was told Bella would probably only live to six months. May 6th was her birthday...she turned 3 years old. Amazing.

                                Eden and cats Bella, Paolo & Lola


                                Shannon <shannon5@...> wrote:
                                Hi Eden,
                                I know distemper is a horrible illness but I’m guessing Bella has been vaccinated before? I also foster (91 cats in the last three years) and my cats have been vaccinated but only a couple of times. Daisy has asymptomatic HCM and won’t be vaccinated again. She’s had one rabies and one distemper and I think that’s enough given her condition. I look at it like this: Humans are only vaccinated a couple of times for each illness and the average life span is over 70. Cats are supposed to be vaccinated once a year and their life span is around 15. That doesn’t make sense to me. Bella’s body is already battling heart disease and to ask her to launch an immune system response to a vacc could cause her condition to worsen. Maybe if she has never had a distemper it should be considered but otherwise I don’t think so.
                                Shannon
                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com [mailto:feline-heart@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eden Tullius
                                Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:53 PM
                                To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: [FH] New here, too and have question about distemper vax and heart

                                I'm new to the group, too. But if you say any and all questions go, then I do have one that I'd like to ask. Bella is on Lasix, Enalapril, Hydralazine, Digoxin, and Atenolol. She has a large VSD and has been stable for about a year (she is three). I'm going to get her blood tested tomorrow because she is drinking a lot of water. (Not sure if this is because she's just discovered the faucet in the bathroom, but I don't want to overlook this, so I'm going to be safe and get it done). Anyway, Bella is due for her distemper shot. Given her condition and what's she's on, are there any risks associated with getting this shot? I'll ask the vet, too, but just thought I'd send this to the group as well. Btw, I foster kittens so that's why I don't want to skip the distemper. Even though I keep Bella separate from the kittens, you never can be too careful.

                                Thanks,

                                Eden









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                              • Leah Ferron
                                Eden, Welcome to you and Bella. I am sorry to hear about Bella s condition but glad that you found us. I agree with everyone else in that I would not suggest
                                Message 15 of 23 , May 8, 2007
                                  Eden,

                                  Welcome to you and Bella. I am sorry to hear about Bella's condition but glad that you found us.

                                  I agree with everyone else in that I would not suggest any vaccinations with a heart kitty. It is just too risky, in my opinion. Their system is already taxed so I wouldn't put any more strain on it with a vaccination.

                                  See, your question was heart related! Welcome to the group!

                                  Leah and her cats and Angel Alec




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                                • riceaide
                                  Hi, I m not sure how I never joined this group before. My cat had heart failure at the end of last May( 2012). It seemed he was a goner. However, he pulled
                                  Message 16 of 23 , Feb 23, 2013
                                    Hi,
                                    I'm not sure how I never joined this group before. My cat had heart failure at the end of last May( 2012). It seemed he was a goner. However, he pulled through after having fluid drained and I took him home. He was in a very bad state, wouldn't eat, etc. I was sure that he was hyperthyroid and that was the cause of his heart problem. However, my finances would not allow for a million diagnostics, particularly after his $1300 emergency vet costs. So the vet did her best with what she could. After initially trying felimazole and some heart med with no real improvements, we eventually found Tigre had high blood pressure, gave him amlodipine and saw results very quickly. Since then he has been definitively diagnosed as hyperthyroid (I frequent that yahoo group) but there's been problems figuring out a good dose of thyroid med for him, though he's continued on the amlodipne.

                                    I'm here now because when he first came home from the hospital, he started having bizare seizure kind of episodes. They were not violent, thrashing type seizures, but rather a slow-motion sort of collapsing that involved very odd involuntary movements of limbs. It's frightening to see. I have shot video a few times and after viewing them, the vet seems perplexed as well.

                                    He improved remarkably following the amlodipine and has lived longer than the vet expected. However, in December he began having seizures again, which had stopped for several months. At first it was just one or two a week, very mild. I took him to a vet internist who I now believe to know very little (I think she's new to practice), who wouldn't try any new meds without diagnostics I cannot afford (MRI, ultrasound), but thought the seizures were related to thyroid. We took him off the thyroid med to test him, and found he was definitively HT- though not extremely so by any means, and vet wanted to then start him back on the med- at 4x the dose he'd been taking! I refused to put him on such a high dose, so started him back on 1.90 mg/day (previously he'd taken 1.25/day) with the idea of increasing to 2.5 day after a week or so. Well, a week goes by and he is eating 2x what he had (already a lot!) so i figure he can go to 2.5 mg. After about 9 days of being back on the felimazole, he looked AMAZING. Better than I'd seen him in years. Fur was beautiful, he was energetic, happy. A friend saw him and commented on how he looked better than when she'd last saw him- a week before! At that point he had been at the 2.5 mg. of felimazole a few days. Just a couple days later, he started looking less wonderful. A week later, my friend comes over again and comments on how Tigre doesn't look so good. I mention her comments because I figure I'm too biased and I see him all the time. Her comments came unsolicited so I figure they're somewhat objective.
                                    He did have a few mild seizure type episodes in those weeks, but not much. I report this to the internist and she says to increase his felimazole. Stupidly, I did. So he was then on 3.25 mg of felimazole. His health begins to decline further. After posting on the HT group, I'm advised to reduce his felimazole. So I did.

                                    He is now on 1.25 mg/day again. A couple weeks ago he began sleeping in odd locations. He has peed in my closet more than once. He began having seizures regularly over a week ago. I took him back to his old vet last week and she said his situation is confounding.
                                    The only explanation I've heard is the possibility of blood pressure spikes. However, he's on amlodipine, which initially lowered his BP to an acceptable level. In December they checked his BP at the emergency vet after I brought him in because he started having the seizures. At that visiit His BP was the lowest it's been, which is to say at a good level.
                                    I'm at a loss.
                                    Two nights ago it seemed like his last. He was having a prolonged seizure like fit. His old vet had agreed to try an additional heart med, enlapril, if his seizures continued, to see if it might help in case it's a bp issue. That night I started Tigre on the enlapril, and later gave him a lasix, the first diuretic since he had the heart failure.
                                    I woke to find he'd eaten during the night and he was up and walking around.
                                    The last couple days he seems to improve after his lasix dose,which would seem to indicate his heart is weak and fluid is building up (though he never had the rapid breathing he did the night he had heart failure), but today he has had several more seizures. I know many will say to take him to the vet, but he's been to the vet more times than I can count in the last 3 months, and to 4 different vets at that. None can explain, all say expensive tests might give some indication but not necessarily improve his prognosis. At this point, I'm just waiting for either an improvement or the end. I know that sounds awful, and it feels awful, but I can't seen prolonging his life if it's going to be like this, and I can't continue going through this horrible anxiety of wondering if I'll come home to find him running around or lying on the floor, gone.
                                    But what I'd like to know is whether others here with cats that have HCM have seen bizarre seizure-like fits and if so, what was the underlying cause and/or what, if anything were you able to do?
                                    I'm very sorry for this ridiculously long post. I'm just very sad and extremely frustrated by the lack of info. And Tigre's seizures, if that's what they are, are just so odd. I've seen little even online that match what he has. And when the vet saw some of his fit, she really didn't know what to make of it.
                                    Thanks,
                                    Lisa and Tigre
                                  • elfinmyst
                                    Hi Lisa Has he been checked for epilepsy or tried drugs for that condition? Hyperthyroid can cause secondary HCM so controlling that would certainly help his
                                    Message 17 of 23 , Feb 24, 2013
                                      Hi Lisa

                                      Has he been checked for epilepsy or tried drugs for that condition?

                                      Hyperthyroid can cause secondary HCM so controlling that would certainly
                                      help his heart. None of those medications I would thought were linked to
                                      seizures, my catts have been on some of those for years, including the
                                      felimasole.

                                      Is it possible his blood pressure is too low? A good level at the vets may
                                      be too low at home when he is relaxed. None of this seems to be related to
                                      his meds, it must be so confusing for you.

                                      Lyn

                                      _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)

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                                    • Westgold
                                      Seizures in older kitties are almost always caused by a brain tumor. It s very rare for an older kitty to develop epilepsy. I learned a lot about it when my
                                      Message 18 of 23 , Feb 24, 2013
                                        Seizures in older kitties are almost always caused by a brain tumor. It's very rare for an older kitty to develop epilepsy. I learned a lot about it when my soul-kitty suddenly had seizures one day shortly after he turned 16. There is a great yahoogroup called vettalk for things in addition to heart disease, there are several vets on that list. unfortunately we don't have any vets on FH. But you can join vettalk and post your whole story there --
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: elfinmyst@...
                                        To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:10 PM
                                        Subject: [FH] Re: New here



                                        Hi Lisa

                                        Has he been checked for epilepsy or tried drugs for that condition?

                                        Hyperthyroid can cause secondary HCM so controlling that would certainly
                                        help his heart. None of those medications I would thought were linked to
                                        seizures, my catts have been on some of those for years, including the
                                        felimasole.

                                        Is it possible his blood pressure is too low? A good level at the vets may
                                        be too low at home when he is relaxed. None of this seems to be related to
                                        his meds, it must be so confusing for you.

                                        Lyn

                                        _www.myfurkids.co.uk_ (http://www.myfurkids.co.uk/)

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                                      • jenrvt
                                        Hello all! I am a certified vet tech and my HCM kitty is Rufus! He was diagnoses 2 years ago this past February 4th when I found him open mouth breathing. He
                                        Message 19 of 23 , May 13, 2014

                                          Hello all! I am a certified vet tech and my HCM kitty is Rufus!  He was diagnoses 2 years ago this past February 4th when I found him open mouth breathing. He has been doing amazingly until recently. I noticed his breathing at home was more labored, got him in for his recheck with the cardiologist sooner than we had planned. He had fluid buildup...140ml was taken off one side. Labs were checked and normal, medications were adjusted. 2 wk recheck. At that recheck he had more fluid taken off but not as much, again meds adjusted, labs were good. Next recheck fluid but not enough to tap, meds adjusted again and labs were normal. I had to wait 3 weeks instead of the 2 and now today again he has fluid built up. I don't know how much they will remove today, we will check labs and adjust meds again. At home he is happy, eating well and acting normal. Resting rr is good at 24...he hides all this VERY well. I am disheartened to day and my fears that this May be the beginning of the end are becoming more sure.   I'm here for support, advice, tips anything at all that could help me and Rufus! I am going to look at CQ10, he is on fish oil as well. He also had Ibd and eosinophilic granuloma complex so trying different foods is challenging but I am going to see about a lower sodium one we may be able to try. Thank you all in advance!


                                          Jen & Rufus 

                                        • Cindy Deukmejian
                                          Hi Jenny~ Sorry to hear about Rufus new problem.  I went through the exact same thing with my Abbey last year at this  time.  She was collecting fluid on
                                          Message 20 of 23 , May 13, 2014
                                            Hi Jenny~

                                            Sorry to hear about Rufus' new problem.  I went through the exact same thing with my Abbey last year at this  time.  She was collecting fluid on the outside of her lungs and was getting tapped every 2 weeks.  Each time her meds were adjusted (her heart doc added more lasix) but it kept happening.  She too was happy at home, hid it well, and it didn't affect her eating.  However, I kept a close watch on her and always knew the signs of when it was time for a tap and I'd take video and send it to her cardiologist.  We were always surprised at how much was pulled from the tap.  It wasn't until her cardiologist added 1/4 pill of Spironolactone to her meds that things got better.  She went to almost 3 weeks before being tapped and then her doc upped it to 1/2 pill and she was great for 6 months!  My suggestion is to look into the Spironolactone.  Not the Spiro/HCTZ--make sure it's just the regular Spiro.  Good luck.

                                            Cindy



                                            From: "jenrvt@... [feline-heart]" <feline-heart@yahoogroups.com>
                                            To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:49 AM
                                            Subject: [FH] New here

                                            Hello all! I am a certified vet tech and my HCM kitty is Rufus!  He was diagnoses 2 years ago this past February 4th when I found him open mouth breathing. He has been doing amazingly until recently. I noticed his breathing at home was more labored, got him in for his recheck with the cardiologist sooner than we had planned. He had fluid buildup...140ml was taken off one side. Labs were checked and normal, medications were adjusted. 2 wk recheck. At that recheck he had more fluid taken off but not as much, again meds adjusted, labs were good. Next recheck fluid but not enough to tap, meds adjusted again and labs were normal. I had to wait 3 weeks instead of the 2 and now today again he has fluid built up. I don't know how much they will remove today, we will check labs and adjust meds again. At home he is happy, eating well and acting normal. Resting rr is good at 24...he hides all this VERY well. I am disheartened to day and my fears that this May be the beginning of the end are becoming more sure.   I'm here for support, advice, tips anything at all that could help me and Rufus! I am going to look at CQ10, he is on fish oil as well. He also had Ibd and eosinophilic granuloma complex so trying different foods is challenging but I am going to see about a lower sodium one we may be able to try. Thank you all in advance!

                                            Jen & Rufus 


                                          • Elfinmyst
                                            Hi Jen As you have noticed, a change in breathing rate or quality means fluid build up. What drugs is he on? When mine go into CHF we up the lasix and add a
                                            Message 21 of 23 , May 13, 2014
                                              Hi Jen

                                              As you have noticed, a change in breathing rate or quality means fluid
                                              build up. What drugs is he on? When mine go into CHF we up the lasix
                                              and add a new drug or increased dose. Mine are on vetmedin, fortekor,
                                              lasix, plavix, spironolactone, atenolol and CoQ 10. Can you say what
                                              he is on? So can advise further. Vetmedin (pimobendan) has been a
                                              miracle for my cat. Trixi was given 2 months when diagnosed as a kitten
                                              and is 8 years this August. She went into severe CHF and was saved by
                                              vetmedin. When my others get worse, we increase the dose of the drugs
                                              until they are stable nd then reduce the lasix. Lasix ad spiro are good
                                              diuretics and can help keep it stable.

                                              Lyn:)


                                              www.furkids-selkirks.com
                                            • JOSIE NEWMAN
                                              lyn many people say their cardios reduce the lasix dosage when a cat is stable. my cardio is dead set against that although Chloie s congestion seems to have
                                              Message 22 of 23 , May 13, 2014

                                                 lyn
                                                 
                                                many people say their cardios reduce the lasix dosage when a cat is stable. my cardio is dead set against that although Chloie's congestion seems to have stablized well. do yours get a small reduction or just how much and how slowly does the reduction happen?
                                                 
                                                Josie and Chloie

                                                To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                                                From: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
                                                Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 20:01:01 -0400
                                                Subject: [FH] Re: New here

                                                 
                                                Hi Jen

                                                As you have noticed, a change in breathing rate or quality means fluid
                                                build up. What drugs is he on? When mine go into CHF we up the lasix
                                                and add a new drug or increased dose. Mine are on vetmedin, fortekor,
                                                lasix, plavix, spironolactone, atenolol and CoQ 10. Can you say what
                                                he is on? So can advise further. Vetmedin (pimobendan) has been a
                                                miracle for my cat. Trixi was given 2 months when diagnosed as a kitten
                                                and is 8 years this August. She went into severe CHF and was saved by
                                                vetmedin. When my others get worse, we increase the dose of the drugs
                                                until they are stable nd then reduce the lasix. Lasix ad spiro are good
                                                diuretics and can help keep it stable.

                                                Lyn:)

                                                www.furkids-selkirks.com


                                              • Elfinmyst
                                                Hi Josie It depends, it s don very cautiously. When they go into heart failure, the lasix is raised immediately and if it isn t a short term, we up the dose of
                                                Message 23 of 23 , May 14, 2014
                                                  Hi Josie

                                                  It depends, it's don very cautiously. When they go into heart failure,
                                                  the lasix is raised immediately and if it isn't a short term, we up the
                                                  dose of fortekor or add a drug occasionally. Milli crashed every 6
                                                  months and in the end had the top dose of everything, but each time
                                                  once the heart was stable, the lasix was reduced slowly. So when Trixi
                                                  crashed, she was on 5mg every 4 hours through day and night for three
                                                  weeks, and also added vetmedin and we could increase the fortekor as
                                                  she wasn't on top dose. Once the drugs worked and the heart relaxed,
                                                  her lasix was reduced over about a month, a small bit every 5 days,
                                                  until she was on 5mg twice a day which is what she takes now.
                                                  But that's my cats, all are different..

                                                  hugs:)


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