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  • samiluke
    Hi, I am new to this list. My 15 1/2 year old cat Samantha, collapsed last Wed & I took her to the kitty ER & her ECG showed that she has an enlarged heart
    Message 1 of 5 , Mar 6, 2005
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      Hi,

      I am new to this list. My 15 1/2 year old cat Samantha, collapsed
      last Wed & I took her to the kitty ER & her ECG showed that she has
      an enlarged heart (both atria & left ventricle). I took her to our
      regular vet on Fri & X-rays confirmed a mildly enlarged heart. They
      tested her T4 & it is normal. I was hoping she was hyper-T, since
      that seemed like it would be the least of the evils, but that is
      apparently not to be. They are going to schedule her for an echo,
      which we should be able to do in about a week or so. I am concerned
      now that it is likely to be cardiomyopathy & that has me scared.

      Another issue is that she really needs to have some, or most of her
      teeth removed, which had been in the works, but of course she is not
      a good surgical risk right at this time. She has had a long term
      history of dental issues & has had her teeth cleaned 1-2 times per
      year, but in spite of this her teeth are not in good condition & she
      is waaaay to sassy for me to brush her teeth. I am wondering if her
      decreased food intake due to her teeth may have lead to a taurine
      deficiency which may have lead to cardiomyopathy. Have any of you
      heard of this? I guess I'm hoping that this might be the case, since
      it's my understanding that this type of cardiomyopathy could be
      reversible w/ taurine supplementation.

      I'd appreciate any thoughts or advice, since I'm pretty scared
      about this & I'm just not ready to lose my baby any time soon (like
      we're EVER ready for that). At least she has been acting like
      herself ever since last Wed, so I am remaining hopeful. Thanks for
      listening.

      Vonnie
    • Karen
      Does this mean she has dilated cardiomyopathy as opposed to HCM which is more common? If so, I d say it wouldn t hurt to do taurine supplementation. I did it
      Message 2 of 5 , Mar 7, 2005
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        Does this mean she has dilated cardiomyopathy as opposed to HCM which
        is more common? If so, I'd say it wouldn't hurt to do taurine
        supplementation. I did it for my kitty with good results even though
        they didn't feel his DCM was due to taurine deficiency... I still
        supplemented. Talk to your vet and see if they feel it at least won't
        hurt, then its worth a try. I also gave many other supplements, all
        listed on his website. They worked well for 15 months although he was
        only given a few months (to 6 months max.) to live. He outlived all
        their predictions and passed away a month from his 16th birthday. If
        she is feeling well, don't be depressed.. she can still have a good
        quality of life living with a heart condition.

        Karen
        http://www.ziggycat.netfirms.com/


        --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "samiluke" <ChatcatSaber@a...>
        wrote:
        >
        > Hi,
        >
        > I am new to this list. My 15 1/2 year old cat Samantha, collapsed
        > last Wed & I took her to the kitty ER & her ECG showed that she has
        > an enlarged heart (both atria & left ventricle). I took her to our
        > regular vet on Fri & X-rays confirmed a mildly enlarged heart.
        They
        > tested her T4 & it is normal. I was hoping she was hyper-T, since
        > that seemed like it would be the least of the evils, but that is
        > apparently not to be. They are going to schedule her for an echo,
        > which we should be able to do in about a week or so. I am
        concerned
        > now that it is likely to be cardiomyopathy & that has me scared.
        >
        > Another issue is that she really needs to have some, or most of her
        > teeth removed, which had been in the works, but of course she is
        not
        > a good surgical risk right at this time. She has had a long term
        > history of dental issues & has had her teeth cleaned 1-2 times per
        > year, but in spite of this her teeth are not in good condition &
        she
        > is waaaay to sassy for me to brush her teeth. I am wondering if
        her
        > decreased food intake due to her teeth may have lead to a taurine
        > deficiency which may have lead to cardiomyopathy. Have any of you
        > heard of this? I guess I'm hoping that this might be the case,
        since
        > it's my understanding that this type of cardiomyopathy could be
        > reversible w/ taurine supplementation.
        >
        > I'd appreciate any thoughts or advice, since I'm pretty scared
        > about this & I'm just not ready to lose my baby any time soon (like
        > we're EVER ready for that). At least she has been acting like
        > herself ever since last Wed, so I am remaining hopeful. Thanks for
        > listening.
        >
        > Vonnie
      • moonsister22
        I m new to this list. My cat Kissy Kat has been diagnosed with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. I don t think the veterinarian specialist is giving her the
        Message 3 of 5 , Feb 2, 2006
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          I'm new to this list. My cat Kissy Kat has been diagnosed with
          hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. I don't think the veterinarian
          specialist is giving her the correct medication or is not giving her
          enough medication. She's currently on Lotensin, a quarter of a
          tablet once a day. She weighs 4.5 pounds, was always a small but
          chubby cat, Siamese mix about 13 years old. Up until a couple of
          weeks ago she was doing fine. Then I noticed that her food intake
          had decreased. We have a multicat household here. She was a cat
          who would only eat Authority Beef flavor, so I was able to follow
          her intake pretty well although a couple of other cats discovered
          that Kissy was fed on the room divider (a short ledge extending a
          few feet into my living room) and would finish whatever she left
          over.

          At the present time, after seeing the cat specialist and having an
          ultrasound test to confirm the diagnosis, she began going downhill.
          The medication doesn't seem to be doing a thing.

          Her blood pressure tested normal, her kidneys are rather small and
          unevenly shaped, blood values were good though, no renal failure so
          far. But she has no appetite. I'm trying to syringe feed 60cc a
          day or A/D. She has been on the meds for almost a week and is
          getting weaker instead of stronger. Can't go to the litter box so I
          have adult bed pads on her chair and change them frequently.

          Anyone have experience with Lotensin? Anyone have a cat who went
          downhill instead of improved after 6 days on this drug? In humans,
          it's a blood pressure reduction drug but they tell me it works to
          reduce the thickening of the heart chamber wall in cats.

          I have an appointment with the cat specialist's assistant vet this
          afternoon. Would appreciate anyone who has some experience with
          this awful disease posting asap. Thanks.
        • Leah Ferron
          Hello, I m sorry I don t know your name, but I think you should get your cat to the cardiologist ASAP! This doesn t sound right. I don t know what dosages are
          Message 4 of 5 , Feb 3, 2006
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            Hello,

            I'm sorry I don't know your name, but I think you should get your cat to the cardiologist ASAP! This doesn't sound right. I don't know what dosages are correct for kitties so maybe Kissy Kat isn't getting enough, too much or the wrong drug. Does she have Congestive Heart Failure too? If so, she isn't on anything for that and that could be the problem. There is too little information to go on. I again suggest to go to the vet ASAP! Being to weak to go to the litter box is a real sign of something terribly wrong. Don't wait until the appointment, just go!

            Leah and her cats

            moonsister22 <moonsister22@...> wrote:
            I'm new to this list. My cat Kissy Kat has been diagnosed with
            hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. I don't think the veterinarian
            specialist is giving her the correct medication or is not giving her
            enough medication. She's currently on Lotensin, a quarter of a
            tablet once a day. She weighs 4.5 pounds, was always a small but
            chubby cat, Siamese mix about 13 years old. Up until a couple of
            weeks ago she was doing fine. Then I noticed that her food intake
            had decreased. We have a multicat household here. She was a cat
            who would only eat Authority Beef flavor, so I was able to follow
            her intake pretty well although a couple of other cats discovered
            that Kissy was fed on the room divider (a short ledge extending a
            few feet into my living room) and would finish whatever she left
            over.

            At the present time, after seeing the cat specialist and having an
            ultrasound test to confirm the diagnosis, she began going downhill.
            The medication doesn't seem to be doing a thing.

            Her blood pressure tested normal, her kidneys are rather small and
            unevenly shaped, blood values were good though, no renal failure so
            far. But she has no appetite. I'm trying to syringe feed 60cc a
            day or A/D. She has been on the meds for almost a week and is
            getting weaker instead of stronger. Can't go to the litter box so I
            have adult bed pads on her chair and change them frequently.

            Anyone have experience with Lotensin? Anyone have a cat who went
            downhill instead of improved after 6 days on this drug? In humans,
            it's a blood pressure reduction drug but they tell me it works to
            reduce the thickening of the heart chamber wall in cats.

            I have an appointment with the cat specialist's assistant vet this
            afternoon. Would appreciate anyone who has some experience with
            this awful disease posting asap. Thanks.






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          • Brian and Kelly
            We agree...just go! I am totally unfamilar with the medication that Kissy Kat has been put on put can safely say it is not of the popular ones that are spoke
            Message 5 of 5 , Feb 3, 2006
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              We agree...just go!

              I am totally unfamilar with the medication that Kissy Kat has been
              put on put can safely say it is not of the popular ones that are
              spoke about often in this group.

              I have never heard of a drug that can actually reduce the thickening
              of the heart wall. The usually medical therapy is to thin the blood
              as to ease the stress on a compromised heart but again have heard
              nothing about being able to actually thin and already thickened wall.

              The usual medications for HCM/RCM are Heparin (could be a low
              molecular form of it also such as Fragmin or Lovenox), Enalapril,
              and possibly Aspirin. HCM/RCM usually leads in CHF and then Lasix
              becomes a must. There are mutiple supplements that have also been
              used very effectively by many.

              One drug that I am very aware of that messes a kitties appetite up
              real bad is Digoxin. In reference to Kissy Kat going down hill after
              adding a medication to her sytem, our Johnny did this with Digoxin.
              Any medication that has a high rate of side effect that causes
              appetite loss in a kitty can be very dangerous. As a previous reply
              stated, it is of utmost importance to keep for kitty eating
              well...proper calories with proper nutrition.

              We agree with the earlier reply to get Kissy Kat to a Cardiologist.
              Her symptoms you have posted warrant, we I believe, is immediate
              attention.

              Our thoughts and prayers are with you both!
              Brian and Kelly

              --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "moonsister22"
              <moonsister22@...> wrote:
              >
              > I'm new to this list. My cat Kissy Kat has been diagnosed with
              > hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. I don't think the veterinarian
              > specialist is giving her the correct medication or is not giving
              her
              > enough medication. She's currently on Lotensin, a quarter of a
              > tablet once a day. She weighs 4.5 pounds, was always a small but
              > chubby cat, Siamese mix about 13 years old. Up until a couple of
              > weeks ago she was doing fine. Then I noticed that her food intake
              > had decreased. We have a multicat household here. She was a cat
              > who would only eat Authority Beef flavor, so I was able to follow
              > her intake pretty well although a couple of other cats discovered
              > that Kissy was fed on the room divider (a short ledge extending a
              > few feet into my living room) and would finish whatever she left
              > over.
              >
              > At the present time, after seeing the cat specialist and having an
              > ultrasound test to confirm the diagnosis, she began going
              downhill.
              > The medication doesn't seem to be doing a thing.
              >
              > Her blood pressure tested normal, her kidneys are rather small and
              > unevenly shaped, blood values were good though, no renal failure
              so
              > far. But she has no appetite. I'm trying to syringe feed 60cc a
              > day or A/D. She has been on the meds for almost a week and is
              > getting weaker instead of stronger. Can't go to the litter box so
              I
              > have adult bed pads on her chair and change them frequently.
              >
              > Anyone have experience with Lotensin? Anyone have a cat who went
              > downhill instead of improved after 6 days on this drug? In
              humans,
              > it's a blood pressure reduction drug but they tell me it works to
              > reduce the thickening of the heart chamber wall in cats.
              >
              > I have an appointment with the cat specialist's assistant vet this
              > afternoon. Would appreciate anyone who has some experience with
              > this awful disease posting asap. Thanks.
              >
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