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  • Mike & Linda Irrgang
    ok,....let us know...you know that s what i do with max and pum bec max is just fit as a fiddle.... linda ps: must log off now...talk to all tomorrow.... ...
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      ok,....let us know...you know that's what i do with max and pum bec max is
      just fit as a fiddle....

      linda

      ps: must log off now...talk to all tomorrow....

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Voula Augerinos [mailto:catwoman1@...]
      Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 9:35 PM
      To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [feline-heart]


      Hi Linda,
      Pebbles is on propranolol similar to atenolol. They are beta blockers
      not calcium blockers I think. Sometimes beta blockers can cause breathing
      problems. They should be used with caution where this is asthma. I asked
      the stupid vet this and he said propranolol would dilate the vessels and
      help breathing. I think I have read the opposite.
      It may well be that with Pebbles I am noticing every little thing now
      that we are using western drugs, and there may be nothing wrong at all. I
      will check Lucy's breathing after (Lucy is six months of age so I just know
      she is fine!) and compare to Pebbles. Maybe I am just hearing normal
      breathing sounds when I put my head to Pebbles' chest.
      Love, Voula and Pebbles and Lucy and my Beautiful Angel Sachie.

      http://www.geocities.com/vaugerinos/
      (Sachie's tribute page, and photos of Sachie and Pebbles.)

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      > From: Mike & Linda Irrgang <irrgang@...>
      > To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: RE: [feline-heart]
      > Date: Monday, 05 March , 2001 13:31
      >
      > hi anyes and voula,
      >
      > what other meds were you taking besides the diltiazem??? i keep asking
      the
      > vet to prescribe it and for some reason he won't and i think it's bec
      it's a
      > calcium channel blocker and isn't atenolol also a calcium channel blocker
      > and i believe he was trying to complement the two meds: atenolol with
      > enalapril which is an ACE inhibitor in hopes that would be the right
      > combination....it might still bbe...amazing what it did for his hind legs
      in
      > just 2 doses....
      >
      > linda
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Anyes Moscrip [mailto:anyes@...]
      > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 12:26 AM
      > To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [feline-heart]
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Voula Augerinos wrote:
      >
      > > Hi Anyes,
      > >
      > > > Do you think that Pebbles could have some fluid build up around the
      > lungs?
      > > > My Lucie made a squeak or moan when I picked her up with one hand
      under
      > the
      > >
      > > > chest, if she had fluid building up in the chest.
      > > Can you explain the squeak a bit more. The sound seemed to come
      out
      > of
      > > Pebbles' nose on the out breath. Actually a couple of weeks ago I
      noticed
      > > this sound (like a wheezy whistling sound is the best way I can
      describe
      > > it). This morning it was after I put Pebbles' down that I noticed the
      > > sound. So my hand wasn't on her chest. I actually lifted her with one
      hand
      > > to move her off my chest. Maybe the pressure? She made the sound for a
      few
      > > seconds, maybe ten or so seconds then it stopped.
      > >
      >
      > I don't think this is the same, however the hand pressure is causing a
      > little
      > discomfort from what you are saying. I would not think this is fluid
      build
      > up,
      > but it is probably some level of lung congestion or lack of full breath
      > capacity, if that makes sense. The squeak is like what it sounds like.
      It
      > is
      > an actual verbal response, not just a sound. The squeak is a sign of
      > fluid
      > build up as I learnt to recognize it. Everytime Lucie did this, the vet
      > would
      > confirm that he could hear the muffled heart sound characteristic of
      fluid
      > build up. It was a simple but effective diagnostic tool for me. I
      started
      > to
      > test it daily prior to giving subq's for crf. If there was an initial
      sign
      > of
      > fluid build up, I would withhold fluids for 24hrs and increase the
      dandelion
      > extract. It saved lots of potential crisis as the fluids got reabsorbed
      > without a tap.
      >
      > >
      > > > That's in addition to the breath which was not necessarily faster.
      > > Sometimes it was actually slower, but deliberate as if each breath took
      > more
      > > focus to get in and out. Pebbles breathing seems okay that way. I know
      > what
      > > you mean about the slower more deliberate breathing. This is the way it
      > was
      > > before Pebbles was
      > > on the heart medication. It's not that way now.
      > > Love, Voula.
      >
      > Yes, the heart medications did wonders for us too. Lucie's breath was
      > tremendously improved after she started on diltiazem. I would not do
      > anything
      > differently in hindsight, as far as the heart treatment goes.
      >
      > Anyes, angel Lucie, Georgina and Angelica
      >
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