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  • Sue B
    LOL !!! The names for your kitties are cute! I read somewhere that all cats have 3 names - the name you give them, the name you call them, and the name they
    Message 1 of 4 , Jan 9, 2005
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      LOL !!!



      The names for your kitties are cute! I read somewhere that all cats have 3 names - the name you give them, the name you call them, and the name they call themselves.


      TS Eliot wrote that ... obviously someone who knew cats! Baby Boy's real name is actually Rebound Kitty, Thundercat is usually called Big Boy and Binx's call name is shaping up to be "you *%$^$# kitten!!!"


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    • savionna@aol.com
      Hi Cathy, In a message dated 1/8/05 1:35:12 PM, cayvb@yahoo.com writes:
      Message 2 of 4 , Jan 11, 2005
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        Hi Cathy,

        In a message dated 1/8/05 1:35:12 PM, cayvb@... writes:

        << As of now, the vet said struvite crystals are expected to be the

        culprit even though his urine Ph was good >>

        Did the vet say why struvite are suspected, even tho the urinary pH was in
        normal range? Was the urine particularly concentrated? Any signs of bacterial
        infection?

        << I feed them what is supposed to be great food. Wysong canned

        liver and/or seafood >>

        What you feed is entirely your choice. However, since the cat now has a
        health problem to which diet is a primary contributing factor, it may be worthwhile
        to consider a few issues.

        Wysong "unispecies" diets...incl liver and seafood...do not take the specific
        and unique nutritional needs of cats (as opposed to the needs of dogs) into
        account. Cats are obligate carnivores and require specific nutrients and
        nutrient balances that dogs do not. Also, Wysong products contain ingredients not
        appropriate to either species, incl soy, wheat, yeast, and kelp, which can lead
        to adverse reactions and health issues.

        Further, liver is not generally considered a primary source of protein and a
        quality source of balanced nutrients for long-term feeding. Certainly organ
        meats, incl liver, can be part of a balanced diet, just as a cat (or its
        ancestors in the wild) eats organ meats as part of the entire prey animal. But liver
        and other organs are a small part of the diet and are best fed in a similarly
        small proportion to muscle meats and other ingredients. Also, liver contains a
        relatively high amt of Vit A, which is fat soluble and therefore not excreted
        in excess, and is also the organ that is responsible for processing toxins,
        which can be residual in livers used for animal feed.

        Similarly, fish is not generally considered an appropriate primary protein
        source for cats, in part b/c cats as a species, having descended from desert
        animals, have no to little evolutionary experience eating fish...which means
        their bodies are not adapted for processing the food. This can lead to adverse rea
        ctions, incl digestive intolerance and/or "allergy" (in part b/c fish can
        contain high levels of histamine). Fish is also a contributing factor to urinary
        issues b/c it generally contains a high amt of phosphorus, and certain species
        of fish (the species used in the Wysong product are not identified) also
        contain components that are a contributing factor to struvite crystals. Further,
        fish may contain contaminants from the ocean, depending on where they are caught.

        << Wysong dry Geriatrix >>

        This product also contains ingredients that can be a contributing factor to
        health disorders, incl rice, wheat, corn, oat, fish, and eggs. Further, any dry
        diet can be a contributing factor to urinary issues primarily b/c it
        contributes to dehydration. It does this in 2 ways: b/c cats have evolved to derive
        water nearly exclusively from their prey (which typically contains 60-80%
        moisture), they have a diminished thirst mechanism and can never drink enough water
        to compensate for the loss of water in a dry product that is about 10%
        moisture (dry Geriatrix contains 12% moisture). This leads to a concentrated urine,
        which is a risk factor for the formation of urinary crystals. Another issue in
        dehydration is the high proportion of carbohydrate sources in the food (incl
        rice, wheat, corn, and oats), which attract generally 3g of water for every 1g
        of carbohydrate. Further, many carbohydrate sources have an alkalinizing
        effect on urine, which is another factor in struvite crystal formation (which form
        in alkaline urine). Desirable feline urinary pH is around 6-6.5.

        << Anyway, he'll be on Hill's c/d diet exclusively for now. >>

        Did the vet discuss with you that an acidifying diet, such as c/d, is to be
        used short term only? And that it is appropriate only when the cat has elevated
        urinary pH?

        Some information on acidifying diets from Dr. Katherine James, a recognized
        feline urologist: "There are some risks associated with the use of diets
        designed for dissolution of struvite. Chronic use of acidifying diets leads to
        metabolic acidosis, which can lead to decreased bone formation and detrimental
        effects on calcium, phosphorus, potassium, and magnesium balance. Potassium
        depletion, hypokalemia, and chronic renal failure can result from feeding acidifying
        diets which have a marginal potassium content. The use of acidifying diets is
        also contraindicated in cats with chronic renal failure as these animals are
        often already acidotic. The use of diets high in NaCl should also be avoided
        in animals with congestive cardiac failure. Finally, as indicated above, the
        use of diets designed to dissolve struvite may lead to a higher risk of calcium
        oxalate urolithiasis."

        The most effective way to reduce the risk for urinary issues is to feed a
        high-quality, well-balanced, low-carbohydrate, moisture-rich, meat-based diet.
        For information on feline nutrition, some sites incl:

        1. http://home.earthlink.net/~jacm2/id1.html
        2. www.catinfo.org
        3. www.maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm
        4. http://rocquoone.com/diet_and_health.htm
        5. www.homevet.com/petcare/feedingyourcat.html
        6. www.speedyvet.com/nutrition

        // Rosemary
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