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Re: [FH] Hi, New Member - Cardiomegaly?

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    Hi Lisa, In a message dated 10/9/04 9:07:39 PM, Monalissa143@aol.com writes:
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      Hi Lisa,

      In a message dated 10/9/04 9:07:39 PM, Monalissa143@... writes:

      << He's eaten a variety of foods. >>

      Most commercial animal feeds have the same ingredients, in differing
      proportions. So, the gut continues to be provoked, even if the cat is eating
      "different" products.

      << Petguard for a while. >>

      Canned or dry? Both contain grains.

      << He would never

      eat Wellness (many people on the IBD list use this food). >>

      The reason that Wellness is sometimes used for cats with inflammatory
      bowel...and other "allergic" disorders...is b/c it is one of 2 commercial canned
      products that is grain free. The dry version contains grains (rice and oats),
      altho they are generally less noxious than those in other dry products (which
      usually contain corn and wheat).

      << Believe it

      or not, for the first 16 months he ate Iams dry and did wonderful. >>

      That's b/c the symptoms of inflammatory bowel can take days, wks, months, or
      yrs to manifest. Many caregivers mistakenly believe that an "allergic"
      reaction happens "suddenly"...that the cat ate Brand X for X amt of time and was
      "fine," then "suddenly" he started vomiting, etc. That is not the case. The
      inflammatory response continues to build (at varying rates depending on the
      individual immune system) until the entire system reaches a point where symptoms begin
      to manifest.

      A rough analogy is this: say you stub your toe daily against a rock. The toe
      may be "fine" for wks...but gradually, as the insult to the tissues continues,
      the skin begins to break down, the immune system begins to "protect" the
      site, and the toe becomes symptomatic. That is sort of what happens inside the
      gut. You can take aspirin to numb the pain, you can put an ointment on the skin
      to treat infection...but as long as you continue to bang your toe, the immune
      system continues to protect the wound.

      << Now I feed foods that don't have any grains other than rice and

      sometimes barley. >>

      *Any* ingredient has the potential to provoke an "allergic" response
      depending on the individual. This is why Person A breaks out in hives from eggs while
      Person B sneezes when inhaling pollens. Grains are a common "allergen" in
      cats, but they are not the only one...so eliminating them may not be effective, if
      the cat is also reacting to other ingredients in the product. Also, the cat's
      gut may be so impaired that it cannot heal even if the "allergen" is
      eliminated from the diet.

      Further, "allergic" response is not as cut and dried as the individual
      ingredient. The cat may be able to tolerate rice, but not rice plus chicken. Or it
      may be able to tolerate 5g of rice but not 10g. The cat may be able to tolerate
      rice grown in Soil A but not in Soil B. Etc.

      << He was even eating plain baby food at one

      point (for a few days, I know it's not balanced) and got very ill! >>

      Have you considered using a limited-ingredient novel-protein food, such as
      Innovative Veterinary Diets duck, venison, or rabbit and peas (Rx only)?
      Nature's Variety (www.naturesvariety.com) makes a similar product that is available
      commercially, but with more complex ingredients. PetGuard also makes 2 canned
      novel proteins...venison or rabbit...but both contain rice. It is also possible
      to make a novel-protein diet from fresh ingredients.


      << Vomiting has always been his main symptom >>

      This generally indicates inflammation to the upper digestive tract.

      << but when he's having a

      really bad relapse he does get diarrhea that responds to flagyl. >>

      Diarrhea generally indicates imbalance in the gut or lower digestive tract.
      Diarrhea is the body's way of ridding itself of toxins.

      Flagyl (metronidazole) is a particular type of antibiotic that acts on a
      particular type of pathogenic bacteria in the gut (and elsewhere) that often
      increases in diarrhea. Flagyl does nothing to address the cause of the imbalance of
      pathogenic and beneficial bacteria.


      << Lately he gets anorexic and looks *horrible.* >>

      Inflammatory bowel is a progressive illness that affects the cat's ability to
      absorb nutrients. And pred, etc do nothing to change that. This is why it is
      essential to feed an IBD animal a truly hypoallergenic diet and also support
      the digestive system so that it can heal.

      << Most recently the only thing we could find was a

      very high WBC count (49%) which has come down since then with his

      treatments. >>

      Inflammatory bowel generally doesn't show up in blood work, except sometimes
      as elevated WBC.

      << BTW, we did extensive diagnositics to locate the cause >>

      Diagnostics won't determine "cause." The cause is *food*. Diagnostics only
      show the *effect* of toxic food, and that effect is inflammation of the gut.

      << in the end we could only figure severe IBD or the possibility of

      Lymphoma. >>

      Inflammatory bowel is a catch-all term for any inflammation of the gut.
      Lymphoma (simply stated) is the "end stage" of chronic inflammation.


      << He's had the TLI/B12/Folate and 2 ultrasounds which show his pancreas

      to be enlarged/mottled, consistent with chronic active inflammation. >>

      And how is it being treated? There are a number of very effective c
      omplementary treatments for chronic pancreatitis, incl homeopathy and acupuncture.


      << I wish I could say I didn't know this already or that we haven't

      tried, but that's not the case. >>

      What have you "tried"? Conventional medicine has limited options for
      inflammatory bowel, which generally incl corticosteroids and metronidazole...sometimes
      budesonide or leukeran. That's it. *None* of those address the *cause* of the
      problem or help restore gut health. They simply stop symptoms.

      << There is still a possibility he may have

      lymphoma >>

      See above. Vets like to mention that as a possibility b/c they have nothing
      to stop the deterioration of the gut.

      << I won't

      put him through the extensive diagnostics. >>

      There's no reason to. Even after "extensive diagnostics," conventional
      medicine will still have no options to offer.

      <<He has been through

      enough and is a very sensitive boy. >>

      Then maybe it would be useful to consider changing the diet and seeking
      treatment with an experience vet who practices integrative medicine. // Rosemary
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