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  • palaidesmoon
    Hi everyone! I am new to the group and am seeking advice, support, etc... My felix was diagnosed last week with severe hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, and it came
    Message 1 of 11 , Jul 24, 2004
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      Hi everyone! I am new to the group and am seeking advice, support,
      etc... My felix was diagnosed last week with severe hypertrophic
      cardiomyopathy, and it came on so suddenly. He collapsed about two
      weeks ago so my regular vet scheduled an emergency ultrasound of his
      heart, with a specialist that deals with kitties hearts. The
      prognosis was not good, and I feel like I've been grieving for two
      weeks now, and he still with me. The heart medicine that was
      prescribed to him is not helping, so the cardio vet told me she is
      concerned that he is rapidly developing heart failure, and if it was
      her cat she would put him to sleep. She said that by doing this now,
      it will prevent him from developing blood clots in his legs that
      will be extremely painful to him. What if I am at work when this
      happens? .. and he's in pain all day. She believes that he can just
      die at anytime..I had an appointment this morning to do it, but I
      canceled it because I just can't bear it. He was in such a good mood
      last night so I could not justify it, but today he seems as though
      he doesn't feel good. The cardiovet said I should do it soon, but
      maybe do it on a day that he doesn't feel well.
      Anyone else been here? It is absolute pain! ... for both of us.
    • turkishangoraathumanesociety
      How old is your cat? My cat had Severe Obstructive Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy last year with a prognosis of VERY POOR. Her Internal Med Spec said that even
      Message 2 of 11 , Jul 24, 2004
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        How old is your cat? My cat had Severe Obstructive Hypertrophic
        Cardiomyopathy last year with a prognosis of VERY POOR. Her Internal
        Med Spec said that even so, she was making small progress and was a
        fighter. She went to see one of the best cardiologists in the
        country who said the heart failure had "resolved itself" and she is
        doing wonderfully (in terms of her heart/lungs, but she has other
        problems right now, possibly cancer). If you click on "Database" to
        the left, and lookup up LILLIE it has her meds...Everyone's Rx will
        be different, but your cat's diagnosis sounds similar to mine, and it
        will give you something to ask about. I would get her to another
        cardiologist for a second opinion asap...Hope Felix turns around
        quick...
        -----------------------------------------------

        --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "palaidesmoon"
        <heatherwallace506@a...> wrote:
        > Hi everyone! I am new to the group and am seeking advice, support,
        > etc... My felix was diagnosed last week with severe hypertrophic
        > cardiomyopathy, and it came on so suddenly. He collapsed about two
        > weeks ago so my regular vet scheduled an emergency ultrasound of
        his
        > heart, with a specialist that deals with kitties hearts. The
        > prognosis was not good, and I feel like I've been grieving for two
        > weeks now, and he still with me. The heart medicine that was
        > prescribed to him is not helping, so the cardio vet told me she is
        > concerned that he is rapidly developing heart failure, and if it
        was
        > her cat she would put him to sleep. She said that by doing this
        now,
        > it will prevent him from developing blood clots in his legs that
        > will be extremely painful to him. What if I am at work when this
        > happens? .. and he's in pain all day. She believes that he can just
        > die at anytime..I had an appointment this morning to do it, but I
        > canceled it because I just can't bear it. He was in such a good
        mood
        > last night so I could not justify it, but today he seems as though
        > he doesn't feel good. The cardiovet said I should do it soon, but
        > maybe do it on a day that he doesn't feel well.
        > Anyone else been here? It is absolute pain! ... for both of us.
      • Susan
        ... wrote: My felix was diagnosed last week with severe ... heart medicine ... What drugs is he on as this will help us to evaluate what stage he is in. Many
        Message 3 of 11 , Jul 24, 2004
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          --- palaidesmoon <heatherwallace506@...>
          wrote:
          My felix was diagnosed last week with severe
          > hypertrophic
          > cardiomyopathy, and it came on so suddenly. The
          heart medicine
          > that was
          > prescribed to him is not helping, so the cardio vet
          > told me she is
          > concerned that he is rapidly developing heart
          > failure

          What drugs is he on as this will help us to evaluate
          what stage he is in.

          Many cats in CHF are managed with a combination of a
          diuretic and an ACE inhibitor. When the drugs no
          longer work a cat is said to be in refractory CHF. It
          does not sound like your cat is at that point.

          Susan

          =====
          Rudy: Male DSH brown tabby, feral mom, diagnosed 09-2002 at 19 months of age with idiopathic HCM: grade 2 murmur, hyperkinetic heart, borderline normal thickening, considered asymptomatic, 12.5 mg Atenolol 1x day, 1/2 baby aspirin 2x week administered via pilling



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        • Gina Levy
          Don t put your cat to sleep because he MIGHT die. Hey, we are all going to die...the question is, is he in pain? Is he suffering? My cat Onyx was diagnosed
          Message 4 of 11 , Jul 25, 2004
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            Don't put your cat to sleep because he MIGHT die. Hey,
            we are all going to die...the question is, is he in
            pain? Is he suffering? My cat Onyx was diagnosed with
            HCM since last September. Some days are good and some
            are bad. But even though his breathing is very labored
            (although he's on lasics), he seems very happy. Today
            Onyx caught a gecko...and then sat panting. So would I
            put him to sleep becuase he might develop thrombosis
            (which the cardiologist did say)? Certainly NOT. In
            fact, a month ago, he got outside and was attacked by
            another cat, and freaked out and the experience threw
            him into CHF (cardiac heart failure), but I knew it
            wasn't his time and all he needed was oxygen and a
            shot of lasics (because he was hyperventiatling too
            much to take pill). And that worked...and he's ok now.
            PUrring and happy and sweet, although he breathing is
            labored. He's like a person with a bad heart waiting
            for a heart transplant...except it won't come and he
            will graduatlly get weaker and weaker. But we don't
            put people on the heart transplant waiting list to
            sleep even if they are never going to get a heart.
            They just get weaker and weaker until they die. Re:
            thrombosis, if your cat is on 1/4 of a baby aspirin
            every other day it will reduce the chances of
            thrombosis.

            Gina
          • Sarah
            Hi Heather, I am sorry to hear that your cat, Felix, is sick. When I first found out that my cat, Nigel, had heart disease, I grieved for about two weeks too.
            Message 5 of 11 , Jul 25, 2004
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              Hi Heather,

              I am sorry to hear that your cat, Felix, is sick.

              When I first found out that my cat, Nigel, had heart disease, I
              grieved for about two weeks too. Everyone in this group has been so
              helpful. They let me know that it is normal to feel this way when
              you first learn of the diagnosis. It has been a little over a month
              now, and I am getting used to Nigel being sick.

              I enjoy the time we spend together, and realize I have no control
              over what happens in the future. It doesn't do me (and him) any
              good to worry about something I cannot control. Of course, some
              days are better than others.

              In regards to Felix, I read all the responses to your post. Do you
              know what caused Felix to collaspe? Nigel went into congestive
              heart failure (CHF), which is fluid accumulation in the lungs. Did
              he have fluid in his lungs?

              How did the cardiologist know the heart medication wasn't working?
              My cardiologist told me that it could take more than a week for
              Nigel's heart medication to start working. He is taking diltiazem,
              as he has asthma and cannot take a beta-blocker. There are
              different types of heart medication. Perhaps Felix would respond
              better to a different type of heart medication.

              All cats with HCM are at risk for blood clots. As I understand it
              (in layman's terms), HCM changes the "turbulence" of the blood
              through the heart. This causes the platelets to bounce (differently
              than normal) against the walls of the heart, and make them more
              susceptible to sticking to one another. This is why many cats with
              HCM are on aspirin. Aspirin makes the lining of the platelets
              more "slippery" and less likely to stick together. Nigel is on 81
              mg of aspirin every 3 days.

              I know that my cat is at "risk" for a blood clot. He could get one
              today and die, or he could get one and it could dissolve, or he
              could never get one. For me, euthanizing him is not an option
              because he might get a blood clot.

              How is Felix doing? I agree with others that you may want a second
              opinion. Felix could possibly benefit from a different heart
              medication, and aspirin to inhibit blood clots. Is he eating and
              drinking okay?

              I am sorry you are in this difficult position. Whatever you decide
              to do, the people in this group are here to support you.

              Take care,

              SAB (Sarah)
            • heatherwallace506@adelphia.net
              Hi everyone! Felix seems to be going downhill rather quickly the past four days... His personality is diminishing, and the effort he makes to greet me at the
              Message 6 of 11 , Aug 4, 2004
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                Hi everyone!
                Felix seems to be going downhill rather quickly the past four days... His personality is diminishing, and the effort he makes to greet me at the door causes him to get wobbly, and fall. He has been rarely walking around, and when he does he looks frustrated, agitated and confused. I can't get him to take his medicine, and I don't want to keep stressing him out by force feeding it down his throat... Do you think he's in pain by the way I described his actions? My poor little guy is not himself anymore.
                Heather & Felix
              • turkishangoraathumanesociety
                Hi Heather... The only way for Felix to get better is to take his meds, and regularly. Handle him gently when you are about to give them...pet him, etc...and
                Message 7 of 11 , Aug 4, 2004
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                  Hi Heather... The only way for Felix to get better is to take his
                  meds, and regularly. Handle him gently when you are about to give
                  them...pet him, etc...and have the med ready to go.... Pop it in at
                  the oppotune moment. I know it seems hard and stressful at first, but
                  after a while he will prob get used to it, and just sit for it. The
                  meds are what will help him get better, along with eating. I know at
                  this stage it gets stressful for the caregiver, but you just need to
                  revert to survival mose and do what you have to do...Maybe a
                  Cardiologist can give you more hints, but it is hard to say how he
                  really would be doing if he isn't getting reg meds. Good luck, hope
                  he gets well soon...

                  --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, <heatherwallace506@a...> wrote:
                  > Hi everyone!
                  > Felix seems to be going downhill rather quickly the past four
                  days... His personality is diminishing, and the effort he makes to
                  greet me at the door causes him to get wobbly, and fall. He has been
                  rarely walking around, and when he does he looks frustrated, agitated
                  and confused. I can't get him to take his medicine, and I don't want
                  to keep stressing him out by force feeding it down his throat... Do
                  you think he's in pain by the way I described his actions? My poor
                  little guy is not himself anymore.
                  > Heather & Felix
                • brinkett
                  You might want to compound his medication but that takes a few days. In the meantime, it sounds like he might require some veterinary attention - have you
                  Message 8 of 11 , Aug 4, 2004
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                    You might want to compound his medication but that takes a few
                    days. In the meantime, it sounds like he might require some
                    veterinary attention - have you spoken to your vet or cardiologist
                    about his present condition?

                    Way back when, when Morag was first diagnosed and we had terrible
                    problems pilling her, we boarded her at the vet for the few days
                    that it took for her compounded medication to arrive. That way she
                    received her medication on time for those few days with much less
                    stress than if we were trying to give it, and she got lots of visits
                    from us too.

                    Eventually we were able to pill Morag the conventional way - it
                    helped a lot to have compounded meds in the beginning and then
                    gradually taper them off as pills took over, and to know that we had
                    some compounded treats on hand in case we needed them.

                    Sarah.

                    --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, <heatherwallace506@a...> wrote:
                    > Hi everyone!
                    > Felix seems to be going downhill rather quickly the past four
                    days... His personality is diminishing, and the effort he makes to
                    greet me at the door causes him to get wobbly, and fall. He has been
                    rarely walking around, and when he does he looks frustrated,
                    agitated and confused. I can't get him to take his medicine, and I
                    don't want to keep stressing him out by force feeding it down his
                    throat... Do you think he's in pain by the way I described his
                    actions? My poor little guy is not himself anymore.
                    > Heather & Felix
                  • Sarah
                    Hi Heather, I am so sorry Felix isn t feeling well. He does need his medication in order to get better. In the beginning, I had a TERRIBLE time pilling my
                    Message 9 of 11 , Aug 4, 2004
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                      Hi Heather,

                      I am so sorry Felix isn't feeling well. He does need his medication
                      in order to get better. In the beginning, I had a TERRIBLE time
                      pilling my cat. As well, the pills are so small, he would spit them
                      out and I wouldn't notice.

                      It helped to get some small gel caps and put all his medicine in the
                      gel cap (1/4 tablet diltiazem and 1/2 tablet lasix). I coat the gel
                      cap in a little butter (to make it more slippery) and push it
                      towards the back of his throat. He doesn't like it, but his other
                      option is to die as he was (is) in Congestive Heart Failure 6 weeks
                      ago.

                      Afterwards, I give him some wet food. His aspirin doesn't fit in
                      the gel cap, but fortunately he only gets that every 3 days. Given
                      Felix's condition, you may want to take him to the vet for medical
                      attention.

                      SAB (Sarah)

                      --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, <heatherwallace506@a...> wrote:
                      > Hi everyone!
                      > Felix seems to be going downhill rather quickly the past four
                      days... His personality is diminishing, and the effort he makes to
                      greet me at the door causes him to get wobbly, and fall. He has been
                      rarely walking around, and when he does he looks frustrated,
                      agitated and confused. I can't get him to take his medicine, and I
                      don't want to keep stressing him out by force feeding it down his
                      throat... Do you think he's in pain by the way I described his
                      actions? My poor little guy is not himself anymore.
                      > Heather & Felix
                    • Susan
                      Heather, Rub the pill in butter or something else he likes like tuna and get the tuna juice on your fingers. Place it on a saucer next to some really yummy
                      Message 10 of 11 , Aug 4, 2004
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                        Heather,

                        Rub the pill in butter or something else he likes like
                        tuna and get the tuna juice on your fingers. Place it
                        on a saucer next to some really yummy treat that he
                        will get after pilling.

                        Try placing Felix on the back of an upholstered piece
                        of furniture like a chair. Move it away from the wall
                        if need be so you can stand behind it. He will not be
                        able to jump off if his claws are attached and he will
                        not be able to scratch at your hand. Stroke the top of
                        his head, this is what mom cats do. You can hold his
                        body under your armpit and use your other hand to pry
                        open his mouth and put the pill in. Stroke his throat
                        until he swallows and give him the special treat
                        immediately. There are pics in a folder called pilling
                        demo in the photos section of this group if my
                        description is not clear.

                        Susan
                        --- heatherwallace506@... wrote:

                        > Hi everyone!
                        > Felix seems to be going downhill rather quickly the
                        > past four days... His personality is diminishing,
                        > and the effort he makes to greet me at the door
                        > causes him to get wobbly, and fall. He has been
                        > rarely walking around, and when he does he looks
                        > frustrated, agitated and confused. I can't get him
                        > to take his medicine, and I don't want to keep
                        > stressing him out by force feeding it down his
                        > throat... Do you think he's in pain by the way I
                        > described his actions? My poor little guy is not
                        > himself anymore.
                        > Heather & Felix
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                      • heatherwallace506@adelphia.net
                        ... Does this sound like a blood clot is developing? Heather and Fee Fee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        Message 11 of 11 , Aug 17, 2004
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                          > Hi all... When Felix was diagnosed with severe HCM, and all the other stuff, the vet also noted that he has weak femoral pulses to his legs. Well, I have noticed that he seems to "favor" his left hind leg, but today it seems to really be bothering him... He is laying down a lot, and sitting funny. His spirits are good, and have been great the last couple of weeks.. but I am concerned about his leg, and wonder if he's in pain.
                          Does this sound like a blood clot is developing?

                          Heather and Fee Fee


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