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Re: [FH] Re: cat w/ CHF

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  • William Draper
    no doubt! if anyone in this group has any questions at all, please feel free to ask. i know that a FAQ full of medical information can be daunting at times.
    Message 1 of 12 , Jul 5, 2004
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      no doubt! if anyone in this group has any questions at all, please feel free to ask. i know that a FAQ full of medical information can be daunting at times. if you don't know where to start, please let me or someone else walk you though it slowly. DO NOT medicate you pet on your own. do not use dosing information from other animals as a guideline to how your vet is treating your animal. while there are standard doses for certain drugs, when combined they sometimes need to be "tweaked" a bit in order to function optimally. this is why we go to school (among other things). treatment regimens need to be determined on a case-by-case basis. if you give atenolol to a cat in CHF, you will definitely make it worse. if you give digitalis to a cat in asymptomatic HCF, you will likely progress the disease. animal disease pathophysiology progresses the same way as human. cats don't just have "heart disease". as a group we are here to help. if you want to contact me, and not notify the group, please feel free to do so. although i am not a doctor yet, i will still maintain the privacy of my "patients".

      bill
      dvm in 2005
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      From: turkishangoraathumanesociety
      To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:00 PM
      Subject: [FH] Re: cat w/ CHF


      Well, Sarah...unfortunately I received an email from a poster
      wanting exact dosage because THEY are on heart meds (atenolol), and
      thought that they'd just go ahead and dose it out to their cat. I
      don't know if this was to save on Cardiologist or what, but you step
      into VERY dangerous territory here. I have NO IDEA what type of
      heart failure this woman's cat is dealing with, and what is right for
      my cat, may KILL hers....And no, unfortunately I am not making this
      up (I WISH I was). I BEG the poster who is considering this to
      realize that meds are specific to what is going on with your
      particular cat....and there isn't just one general "heart failure"
      med. Very VERY dangerous. That's why I like to discuss types only,
      and they can take it up with the specialist. If anyone cares to
      elaborate on the beta blocker/Channel blocker/diff meds for different
      heart conditions thing, please do, for this person, because I am at a
      loss for words right now.



      --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "brinkett" <scrubbrush@r...>
      wrote:
      > I don't think Linda was criticizing you in particular, she was just
      > pointing out that information like "1/2 tab" is meaningless (and
      > potentially misleading) because pills come in different dosages.
      So
      > it's best that people provide the dosages in numbers or not at
      all.
      >
      > I have also felt frustrated in the past when seeing things
      like "1/2
      > tab lasix" because I like to be able to compare doses to what Morag
      > is taking and can't based on that type of information.
      >
      > Sarah.
      --------------------------------------------------------------

      > > I was giving a general idea of how Lillie's own condition is
      being
      > > treated (TYPES of meds)...Only a Cardiologist can determine
      > dosages
      > > best for your pet...but thought Lillie's types could serve as a
      > > guidline for questions to ask the Cardiologist. If there is a
      > reason
      > > that you need to know the specific dosages for my particular cat,
      > I
      > > would gladly provide that if it somehow would help you...Just
      > ask..
      > > (nicely, of course) :)
      >




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    • mainecoonsusa@aol.com
      In a message dated 7/5/2004 9:00:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, scrubbrush@rogers.com writes: I also think it ll be a shame if we can t share dosages - after
      Message 2 of 12 , Jul 5, 2004
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        In a message dated 7/5/2004 9:00:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
        scrubbrush@... writes:
        I also think it'll be a shame if we can't share dosages - after all,
        this is a group where we share information so we can best treat our
        cats. We can't stop people from being stupid - we can just hope
        people exercise common sense. So I hope people continue to share
        what dosages they are using, but that's just my opinion.
        I agree. And I will continue to share what I am giving to my cat.

        Speaking of my cat, I wanted to let everyone know he did fine this weekend
        while I was away. He took his medication for the the cat sitter and seems to be
        doing well.

        I've started him today on the extra dosage of Enalapril. He goes to my vets
        on Saturday for a chem profile.

        JoAnn

        JoAnn & Connor

        1/2 30 mg Diltiazem 2x a day
        1/2 2.5 mg Enalalpril 2x a daily
        12.5 mg Lasix 2x a day
        low dose enteric coated Aspirin 2x a week for HCM

        1 puff AM, 1 puff PM 110 Flovent for Asthma


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      • brinkett
        ... mentioned, ... anyone, ... the ... I didn t find her response scolding or schoolmarmish. But I know how easily people get upset when they *think* they re
        Message 3 of 12 , Jul 5, 2004
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          > I believe that is why we also have the "Our Furbabies" in the
          > database...for that very detailed info that you are seeking. If
          > Linda or anyone wants far more details in every post it is
          mentioned,
          > they are free to do so. I would never mandate my opinions on
          anyone,
          > and I would expect that anyone would feel the same. I defer to
          the
          > database for any detailed meds, and I am also very open to being
          > asked. I am not open, however, to Linda's original scolding
          > schoolmarm post.
          > 1) database
          > 2) or ask nicely
          > We are all adults here.

          I didn't find her response scolding or schoolmarmish. But I know
          how easily people get upset when they *think* they're being scolded
          publicly. Remember that (a) it's very easy to take things that are
          written the wrong way, and (b) there are real, living human beings
          at the other end of all of these posts, so before taking offense,
          take a deep breath and wait at least an hour before responding.
          Just about all the time, you'll find that after calming down and re-
          reading the post that upset you, it won't seem so bad.

          This is not directed to you in particular, but to everyone,
          including me, because I've been scolded here publicly too at times,
          or felt like I have been. Perhaps you feel scolded because her
          comment came after one of your posts, but if you reread her post,
          you'll see that the suggestion was made to the entire group, not to
          you specifically.

          As far as the database, the vast majority of members have not
          entered anything in the database and the entries can easily go out
          of date. I know Morag's is because her medications have been
          adjusted several times.

          We've always posted dosages here. Linda's point wasn't that dosages
          shouldn't be posted, but that if they are going to be posted, do it
          in a way that conveys useful information. As you said, we're all
          adults, and so we should know to consult a vet before making any
          changes to our cat's treatment plan.

          Sarah.
        • Susan
          ... I also hope the practice of including the particulars such as age, breed, diagnosis and treatment regimen in the form of a sig in the bottom of all emails
          Message 4 of 12 , Jul 6, 2004
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            --- brinkett <scrubbrush@...> wrote:
            >
            > I also think it'll be a shame if we can't share
            > dosages - after all,
            > this is a group where we share information so we can
            > best treat our
            > cats. So I hope people
            > continue to share
            > what dosages they are using, but that's just my
            > opinion.


            I also hope the practice of including the particulars
            such as age, breed, diagnosis and treatment regimen in
            the form of a sig in the bottom of all emails that are
            asking questions is adopted by most. It really helps
            when trying to answer questions. I think of it as the
            equivalent of chart notes. I personally have a very
            hard time remmebering and though you may have spelled
            out the whole scenario just a few days ago I have
            already forgotten :(

            See my sig below for an example (Rudy weighs 8.2 lbs now)

            =====
            Rudy: Male DSH brown tabby, feral mom, diagnosed 09-2002 at 19 months of age with idiopathic HCM: grade 2 murmur, hyperkinetic heart, borderline normal thickening, considered asymptomatic, 12.5 mg Atenolol 1x day, 1/2 baby aspirin 2x week administered via pilling




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