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Re: [feline-heart] New member - Ugly Muggley is very sick

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  • Anyes Moscrip
    ... Hi Carina, I don t know about all the conditions you listed but recognize some. My kitty Lucie had HCM (hypertropic cardiomyopathy/enlarged left
    Message 1 of 12 , Nov 23, 2000
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      Carina Norris wrote:

      > Hello everyone
      >
      > I'm new to this list, and my little Ugly Muggley, a 9-year-old Cornish
      > Rex, has just been diagnosed with more heart problems that you'd think
      > would *fit* in a little body.
      >
      > His ECG showed a secondary AV block with multifocal VPC's (I don't know
      > what they are!). His x-rays showed that his heart is enlarged, and
      > echocardiography showed cardiomyopathy, mitral insufficiency, left atrial
      > enlargement, slight pericardial effusion and a band of tissue across the
      > left ventricle below the mitral valve.

      Hi Carina,
      I don't know about all the conditions you listed but recognize some. My
      kitty Lucie had HCM (hypertropic cardiomyopathy/enlarged left ventricle),
      high blood pressure and plural effusion when she was diagnosed with heart
      disease (in addition to the chronic kidney failure). She was put on
      Diltiazem which made her into a new cat. It lowered the blood pressure and
      stopped the progress of the hcm. She initially got lasix to clear the
      effusion. I found that Dandelion extract was helpful to prevent recurrence
      of the fluid build up over a period of several months. During her last
      month, she got Spironolactone which is a gentle diuretic. She lived 7 months
      with hcm and advanced crf.

      I don't know if any of this would help, and what possible medications your
      vet has discussed with you. I know that we were told heart medications
      would be bad for our kitty's kidneys. Our experience was the opposite. Her
      kidneys, heart and lungs got improved blood circulation and her total life
      quality improved tremendously. She also got Winstrol everyday for 7 months,
      and I am not aware that it causes fluid build up. With it, her anemia
      improved (hct) and she regained the physical strength to jump on the bed and
      sofa, which she could no longer do. She also started going up and down the
      stairs after starting on the heart medication.

      It may be worth it to ask more questions on the medications and try
      something. If there is no life quality without, it is something to
      consider. It changed our kitty's life even though the vets felt it would
      have a negative effect.

      I hope this helps,
      Anyes, angel Lucie, Georgina and Angelica
    • cynthia rausch
      Carina Norris wrote: He s spent three days in intensive care, because he had breathing difficulties, which the vets don t think were anything to do with his
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        Carina Norris wrote:
        He's spent three days in intensive care, because he had breathing
        difficulties, which the vets don't think were anything to do with his
        heart, but because he's not strong enough for an anaesthetic and a
        tracheal wash, they can't pinpoint what's causing the breathing
        problems. So he's now on prednisolone, Briconyl syrup, Baytril and
        Panacur (for lungworms), to hopefully blitz any of the possible
        causes!

        Hi Carina, and Muggley,

        I wonder why your vet gave Muggley prednisolone? Its my understanding
        that these kind of steroids causes sodium and fluid retention, and can
        rapidly and disastrously cause congestive heart failure.

        You may want to watch Muggley, to make sure he does not gain any wieght
        while on this drug.

        Another potential side effect of pred in elderly cats is diabetes, but
        it is much easier to deal with.

        Did they say that they were going to put him on any heart drugs?

        Cynthia, Taffy, Samuel
      • Voula Augerinos
        ... Her ... life ... Hi Anyes and everyone, when the specialist recommended propranolol for Pebbles heart he said it could have a positive effect on her
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          Anyes wrote :

          > I know that we were told heart medications
          > would be bad for our kitty's kidneys. Our experience was the opposite.
          Her
          > kidneys, heart and lungs got improved blood circulation and her total
          life
          > quality improved tremendously.

          Hi Anyes and everyone,
          when the specialist recommended propranolol for Pebbles' heart he said
          it could have a positive effect on her kidneys if it increased blood flow
          to the kidneys. He also said it could have a negative effect if it
          decreased blood pressure and therefore I think blood flow to the kidneys.
          So he recommended careful monitoring of Pebbles' kidneys through blood
          tests. We checked her kidneys two weeks after starting the medication. (One
          week on one quarter tablet once a day and one week
          on one quarter tablet twice a day). Thankfully, the blood tests at two
          weeks showed no ill effects on her kidneys from the propranolol. Next week
          (which will be six weeks after starting the medication) we redo the blood
          tests to check kidney function. Hopefully the tests will show there has
          been no ill effects on Pebbles' kidneys after six weeks on the propranolol.
          I haven't noticed any dramatic increase in energy since starting the
          medicine. Though she does seem to be more settled and less bothered.
          Love, Voula and Pebbles and Lucy and my Beautiful Angel Sachie.
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