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RE: [feline-heart] New member - Ugly Muggley is very sick

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  • Jonathan Rosenberg
    ... Well, we had pumpkin pie. But, here s some thoughts: 1) I ve never used the Cornell service, but the vet school there is one of the best in the world, so
    Message 1 of 12 , Nov 23, 2000
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      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Helen [mailto:helenandcats@...]
      > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 5:22 PM
      > To: feline-heart@egroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [feline-heart] New member - Ugly Muggley is very sick

      > I don't know how good the RVC is, but IMO American
      > treatments are sometimes ahead of ours. I know Cornell offer
      > a telephone consultation service, I think it costs about $35,
      > plus the cost of the call - perhaps a few Americans could take
      > a moment from digesting those massive quantities of
      > turkey and pecan pie they have shovelled in today,
      > and comment on this (-;

      Well, we had pumpkin pie. But, here's some thoughts:

      1) I've never used the Cornell service, but the vet school there is one of
      the best in the world, so I think it'd be worth a try. I believe that the
      service is for vets only, but I'm not 100% sure, so give them a call & see:

      +1 (607) 253-3060 (option 4)

      2) Call Dr. Bonagura at the University of Missouri Veterniary Medical
      Teaching Hospital. Did this right after I found out that Lynx had DCM.
      BOnagira is one of the formeost authorities on feline heart disease. He
      wasn't available when I called, but I spoke to one of his colleagues. She
      was wonderful & spent 30 minutes on the phone with me -- no charge & no
      questions about who I was. She said they consider this kind of service part
      of what they do:

      Dr. John Boangura
      +1 (573) 882-7821
      Bonagura@...
      http://www.vmth.missouri.edu/


      --
      JR
      & Tabby (RB), Licorice, Tigger, Lynx
    • Anyes Moscrip
      ... Hi Carina, I don t know about all the conditions you listed but recognize some. My kitty Lucie had HCM (hypertropic cardiomyopathy/enlarged left
      Message 2 of 12 , Nov 23, 2000
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        Carina Norris wrote:

        > Hello everyone
        >
        > I'm new to this list, and my little Ugly Muggley, a 9-year-old Cornish
        > Rex, has just been diagnosed with more heart problems that you'd think
        > would *fit* in a little body.
        >
        > His ECG showed a secondary AV block with multifocal VPC's (I don't know
        > what they are!). His x-rays showed that his heart is enlarged, and
        > echocardiography showed cardiomyopathy, mitral insufficiency, left atrial
        > enlargement, slight pericardial effusion and a band of tissue across the
        > left ventricle below the mitral valve.

        Hi Carina,
        I don't know about all the conditions you listed but recognize some. My
        kitty Lucie had HCM (hypertropic cardiomyopathy/enlarged left ventricle),
        high blood pressure and plural effusion when she was diagnosed with heart
        disease (in addition to the chronic kidney failure). She was put on
        Diltiazem which made her into a new cat. It lowered the blood pressure and
        stopped the progress of the hcm. She initially got lasix to clear the
        effusion. I found that Dandelion extract was helpful to prevent recurrence
        of the fluid build up over a period of several months. During her last
        month, she got Spironolactone which is a gentle diuretic. She lived 7 months
        with hcm and advanced crf.

        I don't know if any of this would help, and what possible medications your
        vet has discussed with you. I know that we were told heart medications
        would be bad for our kitty's kidneys. Our experience was the opposite. Her
        kidneys, heart and lungs got improved blood circulation and her total life
        quality improved tremendously. She also got Winstrol everyday for 7 months,
        and I am not aware that it causes fluid build up. With it, her anemia
        improved (hct) and she regained the physical strength to jump on the bed and
        sofa, which she could no longer do. She also started going up and down the
        stairs after starting on the heart medication.

        It may be worth it to ask more questions on the medications and try
        something. If there is no life quality without, it is something to
        consider. It changed our kitty's life even though the vets felt it would
        have a negative effect.

        I hope this helps,
        Anyes, angel Lucie, Georgina and Angelica
      • cynthia rausch
        Carina Norris wrote: He s spent three days in intensive care, because he had breathing difficulties, which the vets don t think were anything to do with his
        Message 3 of 12 , Nov 23, 2000
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          Carina Norris wrote:
          He's spent three days in intensive care, because he had breathing
          difficulties, which the vets don't think were anything to do with his
          heart, but because he's not strong enough for an anaesthetic and a
          tracheal wash, they can't pinpoint what's causing the breathing
          problems. So he's now on prednisolone, Briconyl syrup, Baytril and
          Panacur (for lungworms), to hopefully blitz any of the possible
          causes!

          Hi Carina, and Muggley,

          I wonder why your vet gave Muggley prednisolone? Its my understanding
          that these kind of steroids causes sodium and fluid retention, and can
          rapidly and disastrously cause congestive heart failure.

          You may want to watch Muggley, to make sure he does not gain any wieght
          while on this drug.

          Another potential side effect of pred in elderly cats is diabetes, but
          it is much easier to deal with.

          Did they say that they were going to put him on any heart drugs?

          Cynthia, Taffy, Samuel
        • Voula Augerinos
          ... Her ... life ... Hi Anyes and everyone, when the specialist recommended propranolol for Pebbles heart he said it could have a positive effect on her
          Message 4 of 12 , Nov 23, 2000
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            Anyes wrote :

            > I know that we were told heart medications
            > would be bad for our kitty's kidneys. Our experience was the opposite.
            Her
            > kidneys, heart and lungs got improved blood circulation and her total
            life
            > quality improved tremendously.

            Hi Anyes and everyone,
            when the specialist recommended propranolol for Pebbles' heart he said
            it could have a positive effect on her kidneys if it increased blood flow
            to the kidneys. He also said it could have a negative effect if it
            decreased blood pressure and therefore I think blood flow to the kidneys.
            So he recommended careful monitoring of Pebbles' kidneys through blood
            tests. We checked her kidneys two weeks after starting the medication. (One
            week on one quarter tablet once a day and one week
            on one quarter tablet twice a day). Thankfully, the blood tests at two
            weeks showed no ill effects on her kidneys from the propranolol. Next week
            (which will be six weeks after starting the medication) we redo the blood
            tests to check kidney function. Hopefully the tests will show there has
            been no ill effects on Pebbles' kidneys after six weeks on the propranolol.
            I haven't noticed any dramatic increase in energy since starting the
            medicine. Though she does seem to be more settled and less bothered.
            Love, Voula and Pebbles and Lucy and my Beautiful Angel Sachie.
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