RE: [feline-heart] New member - Ugly Muggley is very sick
> -----Original Message-----Well, we had pumpkin pie. But, here's some thoughts:
> From: Helen [mailto:helenandcats@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 5:22 PM
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: Re: [feline-heart] New member - Ugly Muggley is very sick
> I don't know how good the RVC is, but IMO American
> treatments are sometimes ahead of ours. I know Cornell offer
> a telephone consultation service, I think it costs about $35,
> plus the cost of the call - perhaps a few Americans could take
> a moment from digesting those massive quantities of
> turkey and pecan pie they have shovelled in today,
> and comment on this (-;
1) I've never used the Cornell service, but the vet school there is one of
the best in the world, so I think it'd be worth a try. I believe that the
service is for vets only, but I'm not 100% sure, so give them a call & see:
+1 (607) 253-3060 (option 4)
2) Call Dr. Bonagura at the University of Missouri Veterniary Medical
Teaching Hospital. Did this right after I found out that Lynx had DCM.
BOnagira is one of the formeost authorities on feline heart disease. He
wasn't available when I called, but I spoke to one of his colleagues. She
was wonderful & spent 30 minutes on the phone with me -- no charge & no
questions about who I was. She said they consider this kind of service part
of what they do:
Dr. John Boangura
+1 (573) 882-7821
& Tabby (RB), Licorice, Tigger, Lynx
- Carina Norris wrote:
> Hello everyoneHi Carina,
> I'm new to this list, and my little Ugly Muggley, a 9-year-old Cornish
> Rex, has just been diagnosed with more heart problems that you'd think
> would *fit* in a little body.
> His ECG showed a secondary AV block with multifocal VPC's (I don't know
> what they are!). His x-rays showed that his heart is enlarged, and
> echocardiography showed cardiomyopathy, mitral insufficiency, left atrial
> enlargement, slight pericardial effusion and a band of tissue across the
> left ventricle below the mitral valve.
I don't know about all the conditions you listed but recognize some. My
kitty Lucie had HCM (hypertropic cardiomyopathy/enlarged left ventricle),
high blood pressure and plural effusion when she was diagnosed with heart
disease (in addition to the chronic kidney failure). She was put on
Diltiazem which made her into a new cat. It lowered the blood pressure and
stopped the progress of the hcm. She initially got lasix to clear the
effusion. I found that Dandelion extract was helpful to prevent recurrence
of the fluid build up over a period of several months. During her last
month, she got Spironolactone which is a gentle diuretic. She lived 7 months
with hcm and advanced crf.
I don't know if any of this would help, and what possible medications your
vet has discussed with you. I know that we were told heart medications
would be bad for our kitty's kidneys. Our experience was the opposite. Her
kidneys, heart and lungs got improved blood circulation and her total life
quality improved tremendously. She also got Winstrol everyday for 7 months,
and I am not aware that it causes fluid build up. With it, her anemia
improved (hct) and she regained the physical strength to jump on the bed and
sofa, which she could no longer do. She also started going up and down the
stairs after starting on the heart medication.
It may be worth it to ask more questions on the medications and try
something. If there is no life quality without, it is something to
consider. It changed our kitty's life even though the vets felt it would
have a negative effect.
I hope this helps,
Anyes, angel Lucie, Georgina and Angelica
- Carina Norris wrote:
He's spent three days in intensive care, because he had breathing
difficulties, which the vets don't think were anything to do with his
heart, but because he's not strong enough for an anaesthetic and a
tracheal wash, they can't pinpoint what's causing the breathing
problems. So he's now on prednisolone, Briconyl syrup, Baytril and
Panacur (for lungworms), to hopefully blitz any of the possible
Hi Carina, and Muggley,
I wonder why your vet gave Muggley prednisolone? Its my understanding
that these kind of steroids causes sodium and fluid retention, and can
rapidly and disastrously cause congestive heart failure.
You may want to watch Muggley, to make sure he does not gain any wieght
while on this drug.
Another potential side effect of pred in elderly cats is diabetes, but
it is much easier to deal with.
Did they say that they were going to put him on any heart drugs?
Cynthia, Taffy, Samuel
- Anyes wrote :
> I know that we were told heart medicationsHer
> would be bad for our kitty's kidneys. Our experience was the opposite.
> kidneys, heart and lungs got improved blood circulation and her totallife
> quality improved tremendously.Hi Anyes and everyone,
when the specialist recommended propranolol for Pebbles' heart he said
it could have a positive effect on her kidneys if it increased blood flow
to the kidneys. He also said it could have a negative effect if it
decreased blood pressure and therefore I think blood flow to the kidneys.
So he recommended careful monitoring of Pebbles' kidneys through blood
tests. We checked her kidneys two weeks after starting the medication. (One
week on one quarter tablet once a day and one week
on one quarter tablet twice a day). Thankfully, the blood tests at two
weeks showed no ill effects on her kidneys from the propranolol. Next week
(which will be six weeks after starting the medication) we redo the blood
tests to check kidney function. Hopefully the tests will show there has
been no ill effects on Pebbles' kidneys after six weeks on the propranolol.
I haven't noticed any dramatic increase in energy since starting the
medicine. Though she does seem to be more settled and less bothered.
Love, Voula and Pebbles and Lucy and my Beautiful Angel Sachie.