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  • Wendy Solem
    Nov 16, 2013
      Dear Renee,

      SO glad that you're staying with us....we're here for you!  I also kind of 'lurk" on this site because I've gotten a great deal of support when needed.

      We all know that you are doing everything that you can and are being such god "kitty mom" at a very difficult time!

      Sill sending hugs!


      On Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:54 PM, Wendy Solem <wsolem3@...> wrote:
      Dear Renee,

      Please remember that we are here for you and are touched by what you are going through...hang in there, you are doing all you can!

      I know that all you're doing is looking for help. 

      Please stay on the site,
      it can be helpful to know that you are NOT alone. 

      Sending hugs,

      On Saturday, November 16, 2013 7:12 AM, Renee Boccio <renae520@...> wrote:
      Actually, I thought the whole group should see this not so helpful response.  I don't mind unsubscribing to the group now.  Thanks anyway.  

      On Nov 16, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Renee Boccio <renae520@...> wrote:

      I tried to join the group.  YOU need to RELAX.  Ok, I'm just trying to get help. 

      Don't bother me with your rude tone and overly emotional, urgent fonts and capital letters make your emails unnecessarily difficult to read and not very helpful.  I'm glad you know so much more than veterinarians but I don't think I need your help anymore. 

      You should change your attitude towards strangers.  You sound like a miserable old cow.

      On Nov 16, 2013, at 6:28 AM, LDY <harris.rose@...> wrote:

      Until you join the group, you won't get help. Obviously the Vet isn't helping you as I mentioned is common.

      Join the group
      You must start assist feedng her
      Get her on daily anti nausea med

      One injection of Cerenia will not fix this. Must be given every day until she is not nauseous. Longer you wait to start feeding her yourself by hand the sicker she'll get and longer it will take her to get well.

      There's no reason for her to be in the ER. She's got to get in supportive meds now.

      Maybe you don't know this but Vets make LOTS of mistakes and life threatening mistakes and they miss a LOT. I now know that depending solely on Veterinary care is not enough. I must be on the groups, do my homework & research and be an active member on the treatment plan of my cat. If I don't I do not get good medical care. It's the same with medical care for you.

      Don't know how I can make it clearer. Join the group.

      From: Renee Boccio <renae520@...>
      To: LDY <harris.rose@...>
      Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:49 AM

      Hi again, 

      Thanks for this information.  They tested her blood for liver disease and said her enzymes looked good.  Then she started eating again for a few days but now she seems to get very nauseas again.  It seemed to start when I increased her Lasix dose.  She salivates and drools a lot for 5 minutes or so when I try to get anything into her mouth (meds or food).  I took her back to the vet and they gave her a Cerenia injection but it hasn't stopped the salivating and I don't think she's eaten much. I think she ate a couple of bites here and there but I don't see her eating even a half of can of cat food.  Other than that she seems normal outside of her heart condition.  I will talk to my vet about the pills. 

      I'll post this message in the feeding-assisted group but do you think there's anything else I can do to help her nausea or something else that could be causing it?  Is it possible it's from the Lasix or stress?  I really don't want to take her back to ER.  She spent two nights in ER when she was in congestive heart failure and she's so sensitive - I don't think she can handle it again but I'll have to make that call I suppose. 

      Thanks again,

      On Nov 14, 2013, at 7:31 PM, LDY <harris.rose@...> wrote:

      This sounds like fatty liver disease or hepatic lipidosis. Please join the group asap to save your kitty's life. It doesn't show up right away but they can die from this. Drooling is a sign that it's very bad

      NO more cyproheptadine. You have to assist feed NOW. Only cure is FOOD and enough food to stop the weight loss. Most Vets totally miss this, so I'm not surprised yours did. I'm serious this is life threatening!!!!!

      When you join let them know this is an emergency & they hopefully will approve you sooner than later. YOU MUST HAND FEED, food is the cure for this. Then you have to feed enough to stop the weight loss.

      Actually if you can afford it, I'd get to the Emergency. She must be put on Ondansetron for nausea which only an emergency would have,hopefully. If not they'll start her on injectible Cerenia and then tell them you want a prescription for Ondansetron. This will be a long road bringing her back.

      Vets make me crazy.

      From: Renee Boccio <renae520@...>
      To: "harris.rose@..." <harris.rose@...>
      Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:35 PM
      Subject: Re: Cat with Congestive Heart Failure Diagnosed with SAM And SAS

      Thanks so much for your thoughts and suggestions.  She wasn't eating at the hospital and a few days after - a total of 5 or 6 days with minimal food (a few bites here and there).  I took her to the vet and and they gave her some fluids.  She was very dehydrated and nauseous.  They said her liver and kidney enzymes looked pretty good considering so they didn't seem concerned about liver or kidney failure.  She started eating a little bit a couple of days ago.  She was eating a couple of bites of cat food and store-bought turkey, then a little more the next day. Yesterday, I gave her an appetite stimulant - cyproheptadine - and she ate almost a whole can of food.  But now today she's back to not eating much again.

      When I try to give her meds tonight she's salivating and drooling a LOT.  It stops after a few minutes but I can't get the meds to go down. Is that normal?  It's really stressing her (and me) out and I'm worried about her heart. Ugh… it's one day up, one day down her.  I feel so bad for her.  It's so upsetting. 

      Could the Lasix make her not want to eat?

      On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:16 AM, "harris.rose@..." <harris.rose@...> wrote:

      > Please join the feline assisted feeding group asap. It's important w/cats NOT to wait for them to start to eat. Some cats go into fatty liver disease quicker than others and you don't need this. Here's the link:
      > Also if your kitty is nauseous, why isn't she on a good anti nausea drug? Good ones are cerenia which is mostly better for vomiting but helps some cats w/nausea. The best nausea drug is ondansetron. Do not let you Vet give you Reglan, doesn't work in cats but many Vets still prescribe it as they are totally clueless about nausea.
      > Many of these kitties once you get them stable they do good. Depends on your kitty if you continue treatment. You could also consider a Vet coming to your home for Vet care. Many people do this too. As your Vet if they have a recommendation.
      > I'm sorry you're going thru this but it can be common with heart kitties, as you know, relapses w/fluid in lung can be common but depends on kitty. I'm hoping once you get this kitty stable w/heart issues and get her nausea under control, she will feel better. But she has to eat. 24 hours is too long to wait let alone a week w/o sufficient calorie intake every day.
      > Hang in there.
      > Mary
      > --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, Renee Boccio <renae520@...> wrote:
      >> Hello all,
      >> Last week, my 6 year old cat was in congestive heart failure and diagnosed with SAM and SAS.  After nearly a week of not eating and barely drinking, she is starting to show signs of improvement.  She was extremely dehydrated and nauseous from the meds and stress from the hospital stay.  The vet lowered her lasix dose and took her off the other meds until she starts eating.  Tonight (exactly one week) she started eating almost normally. But all of a sudden I've noticed she's showing signs of distressed breathing again.  It happened quickly.  Her breathing seems labored and rapid.  I'm afraid she's going back into heart failure.  :(  She's still so frail I don't think she can handle ER again. I'm going to up the Lasix dose back to 2x per day.
      >> She's been drinking a lot of water.  A lot more that when she was drinking even when she was dehydrated.  Should I limit her water so her lungs don't fill up with fluid again?
      >> If you're interested, here is some more information from the posts I made during the last week on thecatsite.com forum:
      >> http://www.thecatsite.com/t/267646/i-think-my-cat-is-dying-and-i-dont-know-if-i-should-keep-forcing-meds-down-her-throat

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