48791RE: [FH] Re: HyPOthyroid- heart issues connection
- Aug 25, 2013Human reference range for albumin is about 3.5 to 5.5 g/dL and my Mom
didn't have effusion issues until it was below 2.5ish. More than likely
low albumin is not a contributing factor unless Miles has dropped since
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On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Maggie Wilson wrote:
> Hi Cindi-
> Per last bw last week- and he's been eating about the same- it was 2.9
> (2.5-3.9). Although, ranges don't necessarily mean much to Miles. He
> can be low potassium symptomatic w/n low normal- which is was last
> week. I've been trying to up the K having found a liquid Ionic
> potassium his stomach tolerates. It also has a little magnesium in
> it- of which he also was below normal and now low normal even after
> The week before his bicarbonate was high along w/ low chloride and low
> potassium, low magnesium and the university vets, for some reason,
> didn't think it was a problem- I'm still trying to learn these
> electrolyte correlations but I do know they have a significant impact
> on the heart which I thought a cardiologist would know.
> If anyone has experience w/ the electrolyte side of things as well
> causing fluid/heart issues, I'd appreciate it.
> I read somewhere metabolic acidosis can cause effusions also. The
> issue, though, is the speed in which its coming if the heart is not
> much worse since d/x. It seems it must be coming from the lymphatic
> side maybe?- like a blockage or something- and I don't know much about
> the lungs correlation if anyone knows anything...............
> I just think if the vets think this fast fluid build up is impossible,
> you'd think there is some other correlation to investigate....
> maybe Albumin has to come up further? When you mother's effusions
> were abated w/ raising the albumin- where on BW, did she have to
> maintain it? Just curious.....
> has anyone had a cat w/ pericaritis?
> Thank you, Cindi..................
> --- In email@example.com, Cindi <dittykat@...> wrote:
>> Is his albumin reading low?
>> Cindi missing the touch of Ditto
>> There she was, elegant, beautiful, swathed in the shiniest of
>> clinging silks, a vision of loveliness in coffee and cream --- a
>> Princess from Bangkok, an Oriental Goddess, a Queen on her throne ---
>> a Siamese cat!
>> from May Eustace's Cats in Clover
>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Maggie Wilson wrote:
>>> Thank you so much for responding, Judith. I'd really like to ask
>>> you more questions. I've been a member of all the thyroid groups +
>>> adrenals etc- to learn as we've been dealing w/ endocrine issues
>>> since Dec 2010 but it seems you have some different info.
>>> Hemopet and Dr. Dodds has been on Miles' case since the beginning.
>>> Lately I've been communicating w/ her daily as we recently began
>>> Miles on 1/4 grain Armour. No one can figure him out. He's reacted
>>> to the synthetic hormones including T3-cytomel.
>>> She said it will take several wks until retest so I'd like to know
>>> more about what you know w/ animals responding quickly, not building
>>> systemically, etc. when you get a moment.
>>> He's building fluid very fast-pleural effusion w/ RCM- yet his
>>> recent last echo says his heart is 'surprisingly' almost the
>>> same-just slight worsening since d/x in April. The cardiologist was
>>> surprised so this very fast fluid build-up- and I mean w/n hours of
>>> a tap, he's respirating again. So this fast fluid build-up is
>>> making me look like I'm a crazy cat lady b/c the vets (5)- and one
>>> in particular, keeps debating me even though she sent us home twice
>>> only to tap 180 ml 2 days late all the while I was giving 30mg
>>> injection lasix a day. Miles can't handle much more than that
>>> dehydration wise and I've had to up it again w/n the last few days.
>>> I don't want to waste time here, but the lack of care in my area is
>>> atrocious. They think of him as a certain age and don't even read
>>> the BW- so I'm trying to treat his low electrolytes, read about high
>>> WBC's myself. Because the vets think this fast fluid build is
>>> impossible, I believe there is something causing it and underlying
>>> the RCM (idiopathic of course). Low thyroid being one- possibly
>>> lung infection as another.
>>> I very very much appreciate anything anyone has to share. You never
>>> know when your experiences will help someone. I've been helped
>>> tremendously through everyone's stories.
>>> Thank you Judith for taking the time.
>>> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "JudithG" <goldbe50@> wrote:
>>>> Yes, hypothyroidism affects heart function. It affects the entire
>>>> body and the personality. Untreated will lead to death.
>>>> My angel Bianca went hypoT after I-131. Even with full thyroid
>>>> panels, it didn't show. Being hypoT myself (which is why I always
>>>> asked for a full panel) and it taking almost a year until
>>>> diagnosed, I've always felt I should have caught the symptoms. At
>>>> the time, there wasn't much info online about post I-131 treatment
>>>> problems plus it isn't done where I lived. I later found out hypoT
>>>> after I-131 is very common.
>>>> Is Miles on thyroid replacement hormone now? He should be. The
>>>> dosage is huge compared to human dosage and often needs to be given
>>>> twice a day. A consult with Cornell Feline resulted in the
>>>> suggestion to test twelve hours apart, the same day, to ensure the
>>>> dosage is correct. With humans, the hormone is systemic, builds up
>>>> in your system. Not so with cats (and dogs). Plus factor is you
>>>> don't have to wait 3 months to feel better. Works fast. Bianca went
>>>> from depressed to her old self in no time.
>>>> You might join the feline hyperthyroid group to get further
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