3373Re: Feeling Down
- Aug 3, 2001Well, since I am the 1 that took Dom off of all of the heart meds due
to all of the problems in March, I sure will say that Linda knows me
well. I was a nervous wreck for awhile just waiting for Dom to do
something negative! We have now hit the 5 month mark and Dom is still
going strong. He is still getting his hot spots and may need another
nasty depo shot again. I see a small spot that I am treating with a
topical as we try to avoid the steroids since they are bad for the
heart too. My point in all of this is to back up Lindas comments. Of
course the asthma may need the depo too soon so it is a wait and see.
We were truly blessed with Doms picking us to be his family for
whatever time that he has left. So far, he is still much better off
of the meds than when he was when drugged. This is just this cats
inability to metabolize meds into his system properly plus even a
slight food change causes him problems--he is very sensitive. But in
March, we decided that this is terminal and we would not traumatize
him any longer. When he starts to slow down where he is looking
tired, not eating etc., we will PTS as it is the thing to do for Dom.
I want him with me forever, but not at Doms expense! I can really
describe this right now because I had an 84 year old father that was
in the hospital. He aspirated vomit and ended up with aspiration
pneumonia and I found him in ICU on a ventilator when I got there
after they called me. He spent 1 week in this condition and he just
wasn't handling it. He was dependent on the ventilator for 100% of
his oxygen and was fighting the vent so he needed to be totally
sedated 24/7. After 7 days and no improvement, I was told there was
probably permanent lung damage and he may never get off of the vent.
He also needed 2 hip replacements, needed prostrate surgery, had a
bad liver and now couldn't breathe. I asked to have him removed from
the life support as I know this wasn't dads wishes. He never even
wanted to go to a nursing home so I knew this would not be acceptable
to him. If making Doms decision was tough, let's just say this 1 was
tougher. He passed away on Wednesday morning but again I knew this
was the right thing to do for him. Keeping him here was just going to
be for me, not for him. I look at Dom in the same way as my dad and I
will make the same decision quickly when the time comes for him. It
doesn't make it easy but for me, I do know that what I do is the
correct thing for the other person. I can live with that! Dom will
probably slow down and sleep lots etc. and that will be fine and I
will allow him to do this his own way. I will intervene when he shows
any signs of suffering or he really lets me know that he has had
enough. I feel sure that I will know by observing and talking to him.
For Dom, not eating will be a sign as he loves his "foodies"! I had
to PTS another cat, Snickers about 9 years ago and she told me when
it was the time. For me the "Quality of Life" is the most important
Good luck Linda in coming to acceptance of this way of thinking.
After fighting for so long it is hard because you want to do more
and more, find new vets, new doctors, new meds etc. but sometimes
just accepting the inevitable may be the kindest thing for our loved
ones (both humans and pets). Just my opinion of course!!
Jeanne, Dom, Bono & Louie
--- In feline-heart@y..., "Mike & Linda Irrgang" <irrgang@a...> wrote:
> hi z., i'm sorry to herre that widgie is having difficulty...i'm
> have done all the right things and you really can't look at the
> absence as a negative as i really believe that everything happens
> best and has a reason behind it.....with lasix my vet has prescribed
> electrolyte salts....iw onder if the difficulty moving could be
> her being dehydreted and having muscular/joint pain....but i just
> know....have you tried the "neck skin" hydration test??? you know
> up the skin on the back of their neck and if it pops right back in
> they are well hydrated and if it kinda stays in the pulled up
> means they are dehydrated...
> is their anyone else you can consult....and would you even want to
> was? i know that i feel very reluctant to consult just any available
> recently i had to really look into my heart about the pum and i
> big dom and his mom jeanne and how she took him off all the meds
and what a
> hard call it was for her and how she lives on pins and needles now
> minute of the day....i took pum off the enalapril and it was a hard
> to make but i know now that i will not go any further with meds or
> additional conventional med treatments....bec there comes a time
when i have
> to ask myself "who am i doing this for? him or me? is it really
> need for him, to continue to have him around? or is it really what
> for him? and his quality of life? " somebody also said here
> babies are ok with death...it's us who aren't" and those words
> touched me....(sorry for being so unoriginal, i just sorta pick up
> tidbits that impact me but they are really someone else's sthoughts
> and now i just got back from california from visiting my
> during that time i thought, gee, i just feel so old and tired
> them(the son and daughter in law) and of course next to the
> downnright decrepit and then i thought of my mom in houston who has
> really difficult time recently and is saying she wants to die and
> understand why she has sto go on living in her current condition
> pretty bad arthritis and takeds pain meds but as we know the pain
> really there and drs seem to have an aversion to prescribing the
> remedies due to fear of lawsuits, etc. it's just terrible) and then
> saw the cycle of life and how it goes around and how we try so hard
> interject our own emotions, knowledge born of need, either
> physicsal and that in the end there is only so much that we can
> bec nature will still take its course.....we fool ourselves into
> that we have control and we think sometimes that we do but in fact,
> reality, we are only delaying the inevitable....
> and then i thought that it is important to for me to try to take a
> forward to work on my ability to embrace that inevitability and
> the cycle of life and rejoice in the happy moments that i have here
> with those that are important to me and whom i love and care for
and try to
> find the strength to support them as much as they need in their
time of need
> and pray that i can find that strength and the courage to make the
> decision based on their needs and not mine.....i'm going to have to
> it alot...i'm basicaslly selfish and want the pum, my mom, my loved
> around me forever....i will have to pray alot and muster up every
> strength....bec it's not easy....am i making any sense....
> i know that you have done everything you can for your baby and i
> holding her and loving her and letting her know that you care for
her is the
> most important thing you can do...and you are doing it....you are
> feel loved...she is eating and that is very important and maybe
> and just wants to rest and know that you are there with her is
> her....i can only say that i think i would try to find someone to
> opinion without traumatizing her and then look into your heart and
> answer the question "what would widgie want me to do for
> widgie has been a part of my llife for sometime now and i can feel
> sympathy for her and it hurts me too.....i don't know if i have
> but i hope that i have.....i'll light a special candle for you and
> tonite and we'll say some special prayers for her to recover and
> mommy too.
> linda and the boys
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zellene.sandler@p...
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:49 AM
> To: feline-heart@y...
> Subject: [feline-heart] Feeling Down
> Okay, it works through the website...hope this isn't repeated two
> more times that I tried to send via email.
> I had a bad night last night. Widgie seems so weak and tired. I had
> to give an extra 1/2 Lasix because her cough sounded wetter last
> night. She doesn't seem to want much affection...so unlike her
> self. It just hurts me to see her like this. But heart rate was okay
> and even resp rate was okay.
> This morning she was on the bed. I cuddled her a little and she
> purred a little and licked my hand. She ate okay and then went in
> bureau drawer to sleep for the day. She's started having a little
> trouble jumping up to the chair next to the dresser. She seems very
> weak. I just look into her eyes and she is saying to me she's tired,
> very tired.
> I just don't know what to do. My internal med vet is gone this week.
> Could it be low potassium? It was normal a couple weeks ago. For
> those of you using Lasix, does your vet give potassium supps? I am
> afraid to switch to the dandelion.
> So many of you say your cats have energy...why is Widgie like this?
> She is on a really low dose of heart meds so I don't think that's
> cause. I really need some support today.
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