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  • bcowell
    May 2, 2003
      Debbie's answer is perfect. The treatment of Suterini and you was
      horrendous. I think her advice on how to proceed is exactly right.
      Good luck! And my best to Suterini, that poor sweet furry one...

      --- In feline-heart@yahoogroups.com, "Debbie Raikes-May"
      <debbie.raikesmay@d...> wrote:
      > Dear Marja
      > I can only speak for myself but I am sure others will be saying the
      same thing.
      > I am APPALLED at the treatment you and Suterini have received...it
      is inexcusable. These people are meant to help not hurt an animal
      further. And it sounds to me as if they are all covering up for each
      > Never, never go back there again. Tell all your friends, colleagues
      etc of your experiences. Keep it factual as you do not want to be in
      danger of slander/libel but spread the word.
      > There are two things
      > Firstly her care now - and it sounds as if the new vet is more
      > Secondly, an explanation of what happened from the vets. I strongly
      suggest you go and see a solicitor (ask colleagues who they
      recommend) and explain what has happened. Ask him/her to draft a
      letter to the vet who is in charge of the practice, requesting a
      written explanation of why your cat emerged from their care with
      burns of this magnitude. Make it plain you need a reply inside a
      deadline (say a week) and that if one is not forthcoming you will be
      taking further action for non co operation. Copy this letter to the
      Governing Body of Vets (which your Solicitor can find) I know the
      legal system in the Netherlands is similar to the UK in that you can
      have an initial meeting with a solicitor and a letter sent for a
      payment of about £25. Any future fees can then be decided if you want
      to take further action.
      > Once you have this reply from them you can decide what to do. If
      they are being dismissive or not taking responsibility, you may
      choose to pursue it because of other cats. At the very least I think
      you should get your fees back plus the money you have had to spend
      getting her treated to get over their errors and negligence.
      > Your solicitor may take the case on on a no win no fee basis
      because you should think too about the cost to you in emotional
      terms...hard to out a figure on but you are a working woman who has
      needed to take time away from her job etc etc all that carries a £££
      > Normally I am peace loving and anti litigation. But this makes my
      blood boil for the poor cat who can't even walk now without it
      hurting. And what distress to you it has caused.
      > Now, for Suterini...aloe vera gel is very good for burns and if she
      licks it off that can only benefit her insides too. There are
      dressings available from chemists which are moist gel backed and this
      may be an option too as the cracking is where the dead skin is
      sloughing away. It needs to be kept moist and clean so fresh skin
      underneath can grow.
      > Finally, I think the CRF thing is a con. I have never heard of a
      cat having crusts as a result of its condition! This is a massive
      cover up.
      > Your english is great, don;t give it a thought, We are so sorry for
      all this.
      > Please go and take steps against this dreadful shower of
      > I would be happy to help you word a letter if you want to send it
      yourself, email me privately and I will give my phone number.
      > Best wishes and love to Suterini
      > Debbie
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Marja van Die
      > To: feline-heart@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:35 AM
      > Subject: Re: [FH] signs of ' the end ' being near....
      > Hi Debbie,Chris and Diane and everyone reading. Following is the
      reply I received on my question a few months back, I was so shocked.
      It's in proper english, so think you will understand it better then
      my crummy english ;-) <<<<First, check with your regular vet to
      see if they had used heating
      > pads during and after surgery. This is a very common practice to
      > keep the kitty warm during and after anesthesia. When cats are
      > sedated they must rely on a human to rotate their little bodies.
      > When they are not, they are in one position for a long time.
      > can cause a burn to occur. This is often not noticed until the
      > starts to surface in a scabby like presence (healing) and hair
      > to fall off. The cat is on it's back for an OHE
      > Since the body temperature decreases during anesthesia, heating
      > are used. As a licensed vet tech with a specialist in veterinary
      > dermatology, this is seen more often than most people think. It
      > often goes unnoticed until a few weeks after surgery. Oral
      > is the treatment of choice until the areas have healed. Hairloss
      > be permanent as the hair follicles are damaged.
      > Another form of crusting/scabiness on a cats skin can be an
      > Autoimmune disease called Pemphigus Foliaceous. There is not
      > as to why some cats get this and others don't. It is uncommon,
      > it is often traced back to a very stressful situation. It is not
      > curable or life threatenting disease, but requires lifelong
      > THis is diagnosed via a biopsy. But first and foremost, I would
      > check with your vet about the use of heating pads and start
      > Often times when it is a burn, antibiotics are necessary to fight
      > any infection that has occured. >>>>>> It sounded and still
      sounds very likely this happened to Suteruni, I discovered the crusts
      a few weeks after the operation. I made an appointment with a vet
      without Sut because I didnt want to stress her, she had been through
      so much. There are many vets working at the place I go now so you
      don't always know which vet you will see. At the time ofcause I had
      no clue where the crusts came from and asked the vet if it could be
      from her kidneys, as she is a CRF cat too. This vet confirmed it
      would be ( without seeing Suteruni ). The next days I did an online
      search for crusts or any kind of skin problems being symptoms for CRF
      cats and I couldnt find a thing. That is why I asked in the CRF
      catsupport forum. Sut's heath has been going downhill fast since the
      operation. The next time I visited the vet was because she seemed to
      be going crazy, was behaving real strange. This vet said ( another
      vet I had not seen before )she was in big pains because of the
      crusts. When I asked him what it was he said he did not know at all.
      He said the skin underneath the crusts would heal and the crusts will
      fall off. The 3rd time, yet another vet I visited, this time because
      her belly was swollen up with fluids, said it was a skin infection
      which sometimes happens due to scratches from other cats or
      injections. She sounded very sure of herself this was the reason. The
      last time , again another vet I visited for her increasing heart
      problems saw the crusts and said : Oh my god, what is that???? The
      reason I didnt confront the vets is that I had just changed vets
      after wasting a year with a vet in my home town. She was on medicine
      for heart rythm problems but I felt something els was terribly wrong
      with her but they kept saying she was ok, she looked very well for
      her age . Looking back they should have tested her blood and should
      have looked further much sooner and I should have pushed them to do
      so but I thought, them being the vets, they would know best <shrug> I
      feel so bad about this now, this is were I let my own cat down :(
      After several things that irritated me I decided to take Suteruni to
      another vet, in another town for a 2nd opinion. From then on all went
      fast, they made an echo and saw she needed a ovariohysterectomy
      badly, it was about to burst, so I had really no other choice then to
      have her operated at 17 years of age, which is risky. She made it
      though, I was so relieved!!Ofcause I am not 100% sure she has
      burnwounds but it still seems so likely to me and I find the
      reactions of the 4 different vets weird. I do feel like they are
      covering up. I would have rather heard them admitting it, people make
      mistakes all the time with any job, its only human. It's just real
      sad this happened to my baby, I feel like I have let her down so
      much. All the time I wanted the best for her, instead I think I made
      it worse. I have lost a lot of faith in vets. Not only because of
      these possible burn wounds but other things too. Like the first ones
      I had for a year, I cant help but feel they didnt want to do much for
      an old cat. And a few weeks back when Suteruni seemed in pain and I
      rushed to the vets on a sunday and they gave her an injection and
      arriving home she was vomitting , had foam coming out of her mouth
      and slimy strings and she was very scared. I phoned the vet thinking
      she was dieing and she said it was a reaction to the injection, that
      some animals have this reaction and it would pass. It did pass but it
      took hours before she was back to normal again. I think she had an
      allergic reaction, but why did the vet just not say so?
      > I can see Suteruni does not have long to live and do not want to
      put her through too much stress. The crusts are real hard now, I have
      to be carefull in stroking her, sometimes I hear it crack when she
      walks. It itches too, I see her scratching more now. She was pretty
      ok for about 2 weeks, sometimes her belly seemed to swell again but
      the next day it would be gone. The last 2 days however it is huge
      again, so I am giving her medicine to pee. Excuse my poor english.
      She is eating less again but still is hungry and asks for food, just
      doesnt eat that much. The belly is making her feel very
      uncomfortable, its hard for her to moove around.Her heart is giving
      up on her :-( I also have posted in dutch forums every now and then
      and the last time there were people saying I should have her put to
      sleep. This is very hurtfull, I honestly would not let her suffer
      needlessly or because I cant let her go but I do want to give her
      every chance in the world. After all we went through I am very tired,
      I have a fulltime job too and finding it hard to cope. There have
      been so many times I was at work and really wanted to be at home to
      keep an eye on Sut. After this is all over I will be devoted in
      finding another vet whom I can trust because I have 3 other cats,
      they all are 10 years old now. I have learned a lot in the past 1 1/2
      years, what happened to Suteruni will not happen to my other cats. As
      soon as one of them has health problems I will insist on bloodtests
      as a start. Thanks for listening and give your kitty's a big hug from
      me, they are lucky to have such devoted caretakers :-) Marja/Suteruni
      > diane <diane@m...> wrote:How has she been doing?
      > Diane
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