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Re: [FF] Future fuels - Bigger fuel tanks for methanol and compressed natural gas?

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  • Arthur Middleton
    ... Interesting. Thanks for the link. Arthur.
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      On 10/03/2012 06:36, bobwreford wrote:
      > Hope this link works for everyone, when reading it compare that I paid £1.53 a litre for petrol this week, £6.94 per UK gallon, £5.78 per US gallon, or $9.17 a US gallon, of course a lot of it is UK tax the government taking the view that truly poor people do not run a vehicle.....
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      > http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2012/03/alternative-fuels?fsrc=nlw%7Cnewe%7C3-9-2012%7Cnew_on_the_economist
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      Interesting. Thanks for the link.

      Arthur.
    • jerry freedomev
                          Hi Arthur and All,                                 In general a very good article though
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                          Hi Arthur and All,
         
                                      In general a very good article though compared retail ethanol prices to wholesale methanol. In real life ethanol only cost about $1-1.2/US gal to make.  It's far less poisionous, has more btu/energy/$ and creates far more jobs we need.
         
                                      One drink of methanol can cause blindness.  There are few methonal drinkers because they are dead.
         
                                      For trucks straight NG is best, most eff if starting with NG.
         
                                      Starting with syn gas one can make most any HC fuel like octane,  higher gasolines, etc.  While they do create a lot of heat like methanol does making them, one can use that heat to make electricity or other uses making FT fuels cost effective.
         
                                       Butane is as easy to make as methanol and a far better, cleaner fuel.  No mention of the emissions caused by burning methanol which are poisionous too.
         
                                       Ethanol/ people has been punked by big oil putting out old and bad science about it.   If you include all the byproducts like improved cattle/animal feed, corn oil, cobs and stalks the corn, etc sales to make ethanol from is almost free.
         
                                       The energy to grow corn, make ethanol has been cut by 50% in the last decade and the byproducts means no food is being used as it's not only still there, but the fermention makes it a far better animal or human food than the corn was.
         
                                      It doesn't matter to be as costs of electric, battery/mile is about $.01/mile on my trike and about 1.5x's that for my future FF and 2x's that for my past and future EV 2 seat sportwagons.
         
                                       The real future fuel is electric because it can be made from so many sources it always will be the most stable, reliable source and easy to make your own in so many ways.  In the US PV panels are selling retail for $1/wt which is under retail coal electric prices when used on homes, building.
         
                                        I'm building for sale a 2kw windgenerator that will sell for $2k/kw and last 50 yrs.  I'm also doing another production line for a customer. They did it in the 30's so not new.  It's really more simple than a moped.
         
                                       Fact is most RE equipent are rather simple machines.  CSP is really just a solar powered A/C unit in reverse, making electric instead of cool.   If in real mass production these all could be made for under $1.50/wt and cutting all the parasites taking your money for energy out of the picture.  Because this is by far the least expensive energy, it will be the future at least for the smart ones..   
         
                                        UK has 3 big RE sources, wind, biomass and tidal.  
         
                                         My ideal FF would be EV with an ethanol or NG fueled 3kw generator.  No methanol for me thanks.
         
                                                                                     Jerry Dycus
         
                         


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        From: Arthur Middleton <artmidd@...>
        To: feet_forward@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 5:21 AM
        Subject: Re: [FF] Future fuels - Bigger fuel tanks for methanol and compressed natural gas?

        On 10/03/2012 06:36, bobwreford wrote:
        > Hope this link works for everyone, when reading it compare that I paid £1.53 a litre for petrol this week, £6.94 per UK gallon, £5.78 per US gallon, or $9.17 a US gallon, of course a lot of it is UK tax the government taking the view that truly poor people do not run a vehicle.....
        >
        > http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2012/03/alternative-fuels?fsrc=nlw%7Cnewe%7C3-9-2012%7Cnew_on_the_economist
        >
        Interesting. Thanks for the link.

        Arthur.



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