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    This is a mess! Carl Z. *** http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/news/03-12/02.shtml#story3 Kindercore Founders Sue Parent Corporation Judge Judy finds both sides in
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      This is a mess!

      Carl Z.


      Kindercore Founders Sue Parent Corporation
      Judge Judy finds both sides in contempt after listening to Masters Of The
      Hemisphere demos

      [Posted Monday, December 2nd, 2003 06:00:00 Pitchfork Central Time]

      Rod Waterman reports:
      The Kindercore implosion continues, and this time it's personal: just in
      time for Thanksgiving, Dan Geller and Ryan Lewis (the founders of the
      label) filed a lawsuit against Kindercore's parent company, IDEA, its CEO,
      Stanley Hartman (he's the one we accused of not being very good at math in
      our last Kindercore update), and even former label manager Jerod Gunsburg,
      alleging a wide range of malfeasance, including breach of contract, libel,
      slander, restraint on trade, unjust enrichment, unfair competition, breach
      of fiduciary duties, intentional and negligent infliction of emotional
      distress, and our personal favorite: "promissory estoppel," which evidently
      has something to do with Hartman and Gunsberg supposedly promising Dan and
      Ryan all kinds of money they didn't end up getting.

      Promissory Estoppel is also the name of the Pitchfork house band which
      plays, for a modest fee, on holidays and other special occasions, a very
      special blend of polka and death metal. You have to see it to believe it
      (actually, just believe it).

      The suit, which Pitchfork was able to obtain for closer inspection, makes a
      whole lot of allegations against Gunsberg and Hartman, many of which seem
      more appropriate for the schoolyard than the courthouse, but which
      nevertheless constitute a thirty-page indictment of IDEA and Telegraph's
      conduct of Kindercore business over the last two years. There are, all
      told, twenty-one causes of action brought by Geller and Lewis, along with a
      lengthy recounting of the messy history of their relationship with IDEA and

      According to the lawsuit, Gunsberg and Hartman approached Lewis and Geller
      in the summer of 2001 with a proposal for a partnership between Kindercore
      and Telegraph, which came to fruition in March 2002. Under the terms of the
      deal, Geller and Lewis would each retain a 41% stake in Kindercore along
      with modest salaries, with Telegraph assuming an 18% share of the label.
      For their part, Hartman and Gunsberg would receive a significant amount of
      financial control in the retooled label. Apparently, Geller and Lewis later
      agreed to cede exclusive control of Kindercore operations to IDEA,
      apparently under pressure from Hartman. Geller and Lewis were promised
      continued salary as well as functioning in an A&R capacity for the retooled

      In the lawsuit, Geller and Lewis allege that IDEA never paid their salaries
      or A&R expenses. The allegation of fraud seems to go hand in hand with
      this, since it seems that Lewis and Geller are pretty convinced that this
      stuff happened on purpose, because Hartman and Gunsberg had a plan, or as
      the legal document puts it, they were making promises "with the intent to
      defraud and deceive." There's also a really weird allegation buried way
      down in the middle of the complaint about Hartman "selling out-of-print
      copies of a CD by the band 'Kings of Convenience' on eBay, in violation of
      the termination agreement between Kindercore NY and Kings of Convenience."

      The juiciest accusations, though, concern libel, slander, and the
      intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress, and this is
      where you start to wonder how anyone can really come out a winner in this
      messy fight. Here is where the mud really gets slung. In the suit, Lewis
      and Geller allege that Hartman and Gunsburg "falsely stated to current and
      prospective business contacts, as well as to individuals in the tightly
      knit music industry, that Plaintiffs Lewis and Geller were dishonest and
      incompetent." In another section, Lewis alleges that Hartman called Lewis'
      father in December 2002 and "made many defamatory remarks regarding
      plaintiff Lewis, including but not limited to impugning Lewis' honesty and
      asserting that Lewis was a substance abuser," and Gunsberg (in May, 2003)
      emailed Lewis' father to let him know that his son was "very sick," a "con
      man" and a "shakedown artist." Elsewhere the suit the defendants are
      accused of variously referring to Lewis as "a cheat, a liar, and a 'chronic

      Geller and Lewis accompanied this lawsuit with a pretty widely-circulated
      press release, expressing Geller's surprise at the news of Kindercore's
      closing on November 14th, and a certain sense of disappointment that their
      own role in the creative development of the label had been marginalized to
      the point of non-existence. The press release ends with Ryan Lewis saying
      that "bringing this legal action was the last thing we wanted to do, but we
      felt that it was the only thing we could do to help the friends and artists
      who had faith in use when we entered into this arrangement with Telegraph."
      The press release also mentioned the establishment of a legal fund to help
      offset the "tremendous costs associated with furthering this action." We
      gave both Lewis and Geller the opportunity to comment for this story, but
      both declined on advice from their attorneys.

      Gunsberg, though, seems to feel that he has nothing to lose at this point,
      given that he no longer seems to have any connection with Kindercore or
      IDEA, and thus, apparently, no money or really anywhere to live, as a
      result of recent developments. "I am no longer an employee of
      IDEA/Telegraph/Kindercore," Gunsburg wrote Pitchfork. "I was given no
      severance pay, evicted from my home (because it also served as the office),
      and forced to pay Kindercore bills out of my own pocket because some
      vendors were people with whom I have close personal and professional
      relationships... I was discharged from IDEA because my work was not
      generating enough for the bottom line, [yet] I am being accused by Dan
      Geller and Ryan Lewis for 'unjust enrichment.' If someone can explain all
      of this please call me. Oh wait, they can't because after tomorrow I won't
      have a phone."

      "I have made it repeatedly clear to Dan Geller and Ryan Lewis' attorney,
      Quinn Heraty, that I will do whatever I can to help them in their action.
      At this point, I am interested in moving on and focusing on some core
      issues, like food, shelter, and employment and will do whatever it takes to
      avoid dealing with a lawsuit that I have no ability or desire to fight,"
      Gunsburg elaborated.

      We went outside the immediate Kindercore family to take the temperature of
      some of the interested parties and we got an interesting range of opinions.
      Britt Myers, producer of Dressy Bessy and Palomar, amongst others, had
      nothing but good things to say about Gunsberg, and expressed great regret
      that things had come to such a pass as this. As he put it, "This lawsuit is
      about people who have no money suing other people that have no money."
      Someone close to another fairly high profile former Kindercore act
      commented that the Kindercore team were "smart people and great to work
      with," adding that "there is no doubt that Jerod was doing the Kindercore
      thing for music's sake, and nothing else." Man, this is a story we'll never
      get sick of!

      .: Pitchfork News: Power Stuggle/Sissy Slap Fight at Kindercore?
      .: Pitchfork News: Financiers Pull Plug on Kindercore Records
      .: Kindercore: http://www.kindercore.com
      .: The Kindercore Suit: http://www.heratyhall.com/kindercore
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