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  • Kathleen Loebig
    I think it s incredibly interesting to see this question come up, as I have wondered myself.I always thought that the poppier 3chord stuff a la Braid was emo
    Message 1 of 20 , Jul 2, 2002
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      I think it's incredibly interesting to see this question come up, as I have wondered myself.

      I always thought that the poppier 3chord stuff a la Braid was emo when I lived back in Pittsburgh and then I moved to Seattle to hear my friends bemoan emo bands like Sunny Day Real Estate (can you get much different on the pop spectrum?)

      It seems such a contentious term - depending on who you're talking to it's a compliment or an insult. Maybe it's just an awkward attempt to try and classify underground music which seems harder and harder to do all the time.


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      Can someone please explain what the fork emo is? I've heard the <BR>
      Promise. Ring and the Get Up Kids and they sound like pop to me. At <BR>
      The Drive In was described as emo but sounds more along the lines of <BR>
      Fugazi to my ears (btw: I loved them). I'm listening to the <BR>
      Dismemberment Plan "Change" now which I like quite a bit. It's <BR>
      described as emo too but I wouldn't know emo vs some form of indie <BR>
      rock if I tripped over it. Give me some examples, kids<BR>
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      Lisa "hey how is that Chris Brokaw CD Carl?"<BR>
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    • Lance Davis
      Definition 1: Loud, humorless navelgazing music. Definition 2: UnBlues. Lance Insert
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        <<What is emo?>>

        Definition 1: Loud, humorless navelgazing music.

        Definition 2: UnBlues.

        Lance "Insert <g's> where appropriate" Davis

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      • Wilson, Carl
        A lot of it, at least in the current usage, is not all that navelgazing nor humourless. (And if we trace it back to Fugazi, you have to say that sometimes it s
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          A lot of it, at least in the current usage, is not all that navelgazing nor
          humourless. (And if we trace it back to Fugazi, you have to say that
          sometimes it's not entirely a bad thing even when it is navelgazing and
          humourless.) "Unblues" is decidedly fair, though.

          Basically emo now is just another name for young pop-punk bands - sometimes
          notably introspective, sometimes not, sometimes Fugazi-esquely
          stop-start-jazzy in approach, sometimes not. It's been so stretched that it
          has no specific meaning. Which is to say: Ignore This Term.

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          <<What is emo?>>

          Definition 1: Loud, humorless navelgazing music.

          Definition 2: UnBlues.

          Lance "Insert <g's> where appropriate" Davis

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        • Steve Gardner
          I think you could break the definition of emo down to bands that are yelly. Yes, yelly. The Promise Ring kinda confuses the matter because they were often
          Message 4 of 20 , Jul 2, 2002
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            I think you could break the definition of emo down to bands that are yelly.
            Yes, yelly. The Promise Ring kinda confuses the matter because they were
            often seen as a textbook emo band, but then their latest CD was a new
            direction for the band...more poppy.

            Here is a website that goes on to define Emo by more than just "yelly" and
            even includes fashion tips: http://www.fourfa.com/

            One thing I've noticed about emo is that whenever one person says what it is
            and gives a few records by example, there is always someone else right there
            to disagree and say the first person doesn't know what the hell they are
            talking about. It's one of the best indie rock arguments, I think.

            steve
          • wfsilvers
            ... There s a website for just that purpose. http://www.fourfa.com/ , b.s.
            Message 5 of 20 , Jul 2, 2002
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              --- In fearnwhiskey@y..., "lmerlin01" <lmerlin01@y...> wrote:
              > Can someone please explain what the fork emo is?

              There's a website for just that purpose.

              http://www.fourfa.com/

              <g>,
              b.s.
            • czimring
              ... Anguished facial expressions. Since there are subsequent posts I haven t read yet, I won t say much more other than Fugazi is a major influence upon the
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                --- In fearnwhiskey@y..., "lmerlin01" <lmerlin01@y...> wrote:
                > It's
                > described as emo too but I wouldn't know emo vs some form of indie
                > rock if I tripped over it. Give me some examples, kids

                Anguished facial expressions. Since there are subsequent posts I
                haven't read yet, I won't say much more other than Fugazi is a major
                influence upon the genre.

                > Lisa "hey how is that Chris Brokaw CD Carl?"

                It's completely solo on electric guitar and overdubbed percussion.
                Intense, driving riffs, much like Savage Republic's _Ceremonial_
                (which recently got reissued on CD). I love it, and with the Savage
                Republic reissues, 2002 is turning out to be a pretty good year for
                guitar instrumentals.

                Carl Z.
                hoping PiL's "The Slab" and old Pray For Rain make it to the reissue
                stage next
              • lmerlin01
                ... are yelly. ... Do I like yelly bands, Steve? I m not sure . Thanks for the site. The term is a bit irritating as I think all music is emotional. I did
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                  --- In fearnwhiskey@y..., "Steve Gardner" <steve@t...> wrote:
                  >
                  > I think you could break the definition of emo down to bands that
                  are yelly.
                  > Yes, yelly.

                  Do I like yelly bands, Steve? I'm not sure <g>. Thanks for the site.
                  The term is a bit irritating as I think all music is emotional.

                  I did find out how to be a cool emoster on the site though.

                  Lisa "Steve Gardner needs to give Pedro the Lion another chance"
                  Merlin


                  the Emo Romulan look - short, thick, greasy, dyed-black hair with
                  bangs cut straight across the forehead, and cut high over the ears.
                  Someone from Time In Malta recently described to me the San Diego
                  Crimson Curse scene as "Spock Rock."
                  actually, any greasy dyed black hair. Bangs in front and spikes in
                  back is very emo too.
                  horn-rim glasses, or at least thick black frames.
                  bald head, furry face (boys only). Goes especially well with horn-
                  rims.
                  heavy slacks, often too tight and short.
                  thin, too-small polyester button-ups in dark colors, or threadbare
                  children's size t-shirts with random slogans. Button the collar if
                  you got one.
                  clunky black shoes
                  scarves
                  gas station jackets. This has diffused a lot over the years though,
                  it's no longer exclusive to emo kids. Nowadays, you may want to
                  select a nice corduroy denim jacket.
                  also classic outerwear but quickly diffusing to normality: the
                  famous Blue Peacoat
                  barrettes on boys
                  make-up (male or female)
                  too-small cardigans and v-neck sweaters
                  argyle
                  anorexic thinness. Veganism helps here
                • czimring
                  ... Having spent much of the evening in a bar with horrible classic rock , I m not sure I can say that Yes is emotional. (Styx is emotional.) But I see your
                  Message 8 of 20 , Jul 2, 2002
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                    --- In fearnwhiskey@y..., "lmerlin01" <lmerlin01@y...> wrote:
                    > --- In fearnwhiskey@y..., "Steve Gardner" <steve@t...> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > I think you could break the definition of emo down to bands that
                    > are yelly.
                    > > Yes, yelly.
                    >
                    > Do I like yelly bands, Steve? I'm not sure <g>. Thanks for the site.
                    > The term is a bit irritating as I think all music is emotional.

                    Having spent much of the evening in a bar with horrible "classic
                    rock", I'm not sure I can say that Yes is emotional. (Styx is
                    emotional.) But I see your point.

                    > I did find out how to be a cool emoster on the site though.
                    >
                    > Lisa "Steve Gardner needs to give Pedro the Lion another chance"
                    > Merlin

                    What do you recommend off the new record, Lisa? I can't remember
                    listening to it.

                    > the Emo Romulan look -
                    > anorexic thinness. Veganism helps here

                    Damn. I so failed this test.

                    Carl Z.
                  • lmerlin01
                    ... What, you were never moved enough to do the emo tremble*, Lance? OK OK, enough already, I promise Lisa *The is a particular emo dance sometimes seen in
                    Message 9 of 20 , Jul 2, 2002
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                      --- In fearnwhiskey@y..., Lance Davis <lwdavis1@y...> wrote:
                      > <<What is emo?>>
                      >
                      > Definition 1: Loud, humorless navelgazing music.
                      >
                      > Definition 2: UnBlues.


                      What, you were never moved enough to do the emo tremble*, Lance?

                      OK OK, enough already, I promise<g>

                      Lisa


                      *The is a particular emo dance sometimes seen in the audience at emo
                      shows. It's known as "the emo tremble." The trembler clasps his/her
                      hands together (wringing them from time to time), leans forward,
                      bounces quickly on the balls of the feet, and shakes the upper torso
                      in time to the music. Once in a while the trembler will grab the
                      back of the head and rock back and forth. The more the person likes
                      the band, the more he or she will double over.
                    • Jyl Freed
                      ... From: czimring ...
                      Message 10 of 20 , Jul 2, 2002
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                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: czimring >
                        > Do I like yelly bands, Steve? I'm not sure <g>. Thanks for the site.
                        > The term is a bit irritating as I think all music is emotional.

                        <<Having spent much of the evening in a bar with horrible "classic
                        rock", I'm not sure I can say that Yes is emotional. (Styx is
                        emotional.) But I see your point.>>

                        I agree with you on the Yes thing. I guess Styx is emotional
                        in an Andrew Lloyd Weber kind of way. <g>

                        Jyl "midnight, and the kitties are sleeping..." Freed



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                      • lmerlin01
                        ... I left the CD at my mind numbing data entry job so this is off the top of my head. I first heard Pedro on KEXP here in Seattle, they get pretty heavy
                        Message 11 of 20 , Jul 2, 2002
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                          Carl writes:

                          > What do you recommend off the new record, Lisa? I can't remember
                          > listening to it.

                          I left the CD at my mind numbing data entry job so this is off the
                          top of my head. I first heard Pedro on KEXP here in Seattle, they
                          get pretty heavy airplay here. David Bazan's voice is slow, droning
                          and the music can be heavy and plodding and the lyrics pretty
                          depressing (the record is about marriage and infidelity)--hey sounds
                          like emo, eh <g>? I don't know, I really like the CD and find
                          myself singing and humming along to most of the tracks. Anyway, I
                          don't think you'll like them, Carl, but I like Options, Penetration,
                          Magazine a lot.

                          Lisa

                          From Rolling Stone:
                          To get it out of the way quickly: Pedro the Lion's David Bazan is a
                          devout Christian and as far as our lives find their way into our
                          work, his songs could be analyzed for their religious references.
                          But far beyond any iconography, his music is arresting in its
                          simplicity and emotion; his lyrics not preachy, but critical of the
                          day's newscast and of weak souls. And while on three previous albums
                          the former Seattle hardcore punk dialed back his vitriolic music in
                          favor of a quieter examination - both good and bad - of
                          relationships, his latest release Control reveals a restrained,
                          calculating rocker. After recording previous albums almost entirely
                          on his own, Bazan brings in bassist Casey Foubert and drummer Trey
                          Many for this release, giving him room to focus sharply on his edgy,
                          dirgeful guitar and dark, enveloping lyrics. On the
                          driving "Penetration" Bazan rails against corporate America's drone
                          mentality: "If it isn't making dollars, it isn't making sense/If you
                          aren't moving units than you aren't worth the expense." And in his
                          best Bob Mould impersonation, the married Bazan questions a lover's
                          infidelity on "Rehearsal" with the detached emotion of someone who's
                          been there before. Control is not a record for people looking to
                          brighten up their lives - the ten songs are almost an even split
                          between those that deconstruct damaged relationships and those that
                          find extreme fault in American consumerism. But if difficult topics
                          can't be examined with such musical acuity -- and Bazan has much to
                          say -- we are all a lot worse off.
                          ANDREW STRICKMAN
                        • Lance Davis
                          I liked Emo Tremble s early stuff ... before they got all preachy. That song about leather pants was my fave ; ) Must hurt self ... must hurt self ... Lance
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                            I liked Emo Tremble's early stuff ... before they got all
                            preachy. That song about leather pants was my fave ; )

                            Must hurt self ... must hurt self ...

                            Lance

                            > What, you were never moved enough to do the emo tremble*,
                            > Lance?
                            >
                            > OK OK, enough already, I promise<g>
                            >
                            > Lisa
                            >
                            >
                            > *The is a particular emo dance sometimes seen in the audience
                            > at emo
                            > shows. It's known as "the emo tremble." The trembler clasps
                            > his/her
                            > hands together (wringing them from time to time), leans
                            > forward,
                            > bounces quickly on the balls of the feet, and shakes the upper
                            > torso
                            > in time to the music. Once in a while the trembler will grab
                            > the
                            > back of the head and rock back and forth. The more the person
                            > likes
                            > the band, the more he or she will double over.

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                          • Jyl Freed
                            Would Joy Division or Sisters of Mercy be emo? Jyl ... From: lmerlin01 David Bazan s voice is slow, droning and the music can be heavy and plodding and the
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                              Would Joy Division or Sisters of Mercy be emo?

                              Jyl

                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: lmerlin01

                              David Bazan's voice is slow, droning
                              and the music can be heavy and plodding and the lyrics pretty
                              depressing (the record is about marriage and infidelity)--hey sounds
                              like emo, eh <g>?


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                            • czimring
                              ... Oh yes. Which is not to say that all emotions (or bands) are desirable. ... domo, Carl my least favorite White Sox fan is Dennis DeYoung Z.
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                                --- In fearnwhiskey@y..., "Jyl Freed" <freed@m...> wrote:
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: czimring >
                                > I'm not sure I can say that Yes is emotional. (Styx is
                                > emotional.) But I see your point.>>
                                >
                                > I agree with you on the Yes thing. I guess Styx is emotional
                                > in an Andrew Lloyd Weber kind of way. <g>

                                Oh yes. Which is not to say that all emotions (or bands) are desirable.

                                > Jyl "midnight, and the kitties are sleeping..." Freed

                                domo,
                                Carl "my least favorite White Sox fan is Dennis DeYoung" Z.
                              • czimring
                                ... I think emo is grounded in the early 90s, so no. Pretty damn goth, though. ... Are there other overtly Christian emo bands aside from Sunny Day Real
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                                  --- In fearnwhiskey@y..., "Jyl Freed" <freed@m...> wrote:
                                  > Would Joy Division or Sisters of Mercy be emo?

                                  I think emo is grounded in the early 90s, so no. Pretty damn goth,
                                  though.

                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: lmerlin01
                                  >
                                  > David Bazan's voice is slow, droning
                                  > and the music can be heavy and plodding and the lyrics pretty
                                  > depressing (the record is about marriage and infidelity)--hey sounds
                                  > like emo, eh <g>?

                                  Are there other overtly Christian emo bands aside from Sunny Day Real
                                  Estate? Seems like there would be.

                                  Carl Z.
                                • Steve Gardner
                                  ... I think you like some of it. ... I ve actually always heard that emo is short for emotive, and not emotional. ... I will. steve
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                                    >Do I like yelly bands, Steve? I'm not sure <g>. Thanks for the site.

                                    I think you like some of it. <g>

                                    >The term is a bit irritating as I think all music is emotional.

                                    I've actually always heard that emo is short for emotive, and not emotional.

                                    >Lisa "Steve Gardner needs to give Pedro the Lion another chance"
                                    >Merlin

                                    I will.
                                    steve
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                                      > I guess Styx is emotional<BR>
                                      � in an Andrew Lloyd Weber kind of way. <g><BR>

                                      That may be the most apt comparison I've ever heard..

                                      Kathleen "who can never get her kitty to sleep at a reasonable hour.." Loebig



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                                    • Kelly Kessler
                                      ... Loebig ... Is it hot in here?
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                                        > Kathleen "who can never get her kitty to sleep at a reasonable hour.."
                                        Loebig
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                                        Is it hot in here?
                                      • Lance Davis
                                        1. The Emo Band Name Generator - http://members.aol.com/Valdes379/EmoGame.html My band is Compound Best. Hmmm ... I wonder if we re related to Brent Best? 2.
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                                          1. The Emo Band Name Generator -
                                          http://members.aol.com/Valdes379/EmoGame.html

                                          My band is Compound Best. Hmmm ... I wonder if we're related to
                                          Brent Best?

                                          2. Related to the name generator is this handy-dandy emo band
                                          name rule book -
                                          http://www.bandphotography.com/newbands3/emobandname.html

                                          My favorite is Rule # 6: "Don't name the band after a girl you
                                          like. Thats just a no no."

                                          3. "What is emo?" is a question that has stumped numerous
                                          experts in the field. But if there's one thing they all can
                                          agree on, it's that it's charged with homoeroticism ... if the
                                          picture on this site is any indication <g> -
                                          http://www.fourfa.com/

                                          4. We may not know what the fuck emo is, but we can sure dress
                                          the part. Check out this site to find out "How to be emo" -
                                          http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/4891/emo.html

                                          5. Finally, the musical genre known as "emo" has nothing to do
                                          with Emo Phillips - http://www.emophillips.com/. Although, both
                                          have an uncanny ability to annoy even the most temperate of
                                          dispositions.

                                          Lance

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