45377Re: "Open theism"
- Aug 27, 2006Quick note.
I believe that God does in fact respond to that actions of men and
women. Starting in Genesis and the fall of mankind we see nothing but
the responsive actions of God toward man ever since.
Some years ago a friend of mine ask a very interesting question in
the midst of discussing many of the ideas of Reformed theology. He
rhetorically and provokingly asked: Did God predestine all of His
responses to mankind and their actions?
The question opened up a lot of reflection for me personally.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Caroline Wong" <caroline1008@...>
>should lay to heart that no side in the controversy sounds much like
> On 8/26/06, Peter Attwood <attwoods@...> wrote:
> > We have many centuries of disputing this matter, and I think we
the Bible, and that suggests that we share a fundamental
misunderstanding all around.
> >prophesying events in detail that come to pass long after and asking
> > The whole Bible affirms that God is in charge of everything,
in the Proverbs, "Is there evil in a city and the Lord has not done
> Can you give a reference for that as I can't find it in my bible.
> Also, the prophecies were not in detail or obvious as it was only
> after the fact that people realized how they fit. Ex. Matthew 2:23
> said "He will be called a Nazarene" but no where in the OT does it
> that specifically and if it was implied, it was probably anprophecy
> implication that he will be dedicated to the Lord, not necessarily
> that he would be from Nazareth (which he was, anyhow). Or the
> in Matthew 2:15 "Out of Egypt, I will call my son" which is alist
> reference to God bringing the Israelites out of Egypt under Moses.
> This statement in Hosea became messianic prophecy in Matthew. The
> is endless including the prophecy that he would be betrayed by anight
> friend. He was eventually betrayed by 2, Peter and Judas, on the
> before he was crucified.because
> Open Theism does not deny the accuracy of long range prophecy
> God is sovereign and He has the freewill and the might to bringevents
> around as He pleases. Open Theism merely says that He also allowsanoint
> human decisions a role within His plans.
> Here is a counter example for those who believe the Lord's prophecy
> always comes true no matter what. When the Lord asked Samuel to
> Saul as king, He said Saul will deliver His people from theto
> Philistines. He then filled Saul with the Holy Spirit to enable him
> do his task. Saul failed, the Holy Spirit left him and David was theman in the days before the flood, and his astonishment that there is
> king to deliver the people.
> Peter Attwood
> > The same Bible testifies of God's disappointment at having made
no justice. The Bible writeres heartily affirm both these truths and
are not disturbed in the least by what modern minds consider a
contradiction. I'm still working on it, but I know we'll have it
right when we would write it up just as they did, not just when we
can find a way to make it fit somehow.
>clearly made a world in which he does not get his own way and is
> Or we could just read the passage as it was written.
> Peter Attwood
> > One very practical outcome for our own lives is that God has
indeed quite helpless, being unafraid to do so because he knows that
he is in fact sovereign and therefore need not exercise control. We
do see in daily life that the people who have to control everything
are the same people who indeed are unable to really govern themselves
and reign in life, while self-control goes with being able to let
others be free.
> >universalism is a given
> I agree. If we posit that God always gets His way, then
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