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  • Charlie Poole
    Ron, ... Gee, you said that so much more succinctly than I did... usually I read ahead before replying. Charlie Poole cpoole@pooleconsulting.com
    Message 1 of 37 , Jan 1, 2003
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      Ron,

      > > I thought I just did, with the echo server example, but we have a
      > > philosophical misunderstanding, that's all. I don't believe in the
      > > unit test/customer test way of thinking. I believe you need a
      > > continuum of tests. I was trying to use NUnit for partial system
      > > testing. Since I'm just getting started with NUnit and TDD, I'm not
      > > completely sure that pushing NUnit that far is a good idea. I'd like
      > > to try other solutions and experiment some more.
      >
      > Yes, definitely, you do need a continuum of tests. And you're right to
      > experiment to find your own sweet spot.
      >
      > In XP, the programmer test / customer test distinction serves a different
      > purpose. Programmer tests provide confidence and mobility to the
      > programmers.
      > Customer tests provide confidence to the customers, and information about
      > requirements to the programmers.
      >
      > Those two forms of tests are there to provide balance between
      > programmer and
      > customer subteams. Wise programmers have a broad enough continuum
      > of tests to
      > make failure in the customer tests very rare. This increases
      > customer confidence
      > in the team. That's a very good thing.

      Gee, you said that so much more succinctly than I did... usually
      I read ahead before replying.

      Charlie Poole
      cpoole@...
      www.pooleconsulting.com
      www.charliepoole.org
    • Charlie Poole
      Ron, ... Gee, you said that so much more succinctly than I did... usually I read ahead before replying. Charlie Poole cpoole@pooleconsulting.com
      Message 37 of 37 , Jan 1, 2003
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        Ron,

        > > I thought I just did, with the echo server example, but we have a
        > > philosophical misunderstanding, that's all. I don't believe in the
        > > unit test/customer test way of thinking. I believe you need a
        > > continuum of tests. I was trying to use NUnit for partial system
        > > testing. Since I'm just getting started with NUnit and TDD, I'm not
        > > completely sure that pushing NUnit that far is a good idea. I'd like
        > > to try other solutions and experiment some more.
        >
        > Yes, definitely, you do need a continuum of tests. And you're right to
        > experiment to find your own sweet spot.
        >
        > In XP, the programmer test / customer test distinction serves a different
        > purpose. Programmer tests provide confidence and mobility to the
        > programmers.
        > Customer tests provide confidence to the customers, and information about
        > requirements to the programmers.
        >
        > Those two forms of tests are there to provide balance between
        > programmer and
        > customer subteams. Wise programmers have a broad enough continuum
        > of tests to
        > make failure in the customer tests very rare. This increases
        > customer confidence
        > in the team. That's a very good thing.

        Gee, you said that so much more succinctly than I did... usually
        I read ahead before replying.

        Charlie Poole
        cpoole@...
        www.pooleconsulting.com
        www.charliepoole.org
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