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RE: [XP] Back of the Door Sticky Note Issue Tracking.

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  • Kay A Pentecost
    +1 ... magic.
    Message 1 of 24 , Mar 14 5:22 PM
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      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com
      > [mailto:extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie
      > Poole
      > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:58 AM
      > To: extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [XP] Back of the Door Sticky Note Issue Tracking.
      >
      > Hi George,
      >
      > Maybe we should just say "Yes, we cheated. And we figured out a way to
      > keep cheating, so that tests keep passing. Do you want us to stop?"
      >
      > Charlie
      >
      >
      > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:52 PM, George Dinwiddie
      > <lists@...>wrote:
      >
      > > **
      > >
      > >
      > > John,
      > >
      > > On 3/13/13 12:42 AM, John Carter wrote:
      > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:20 PM, George Dinwiddie
      > > > <lists@...>wrote:
      > > >
      > > >> I've seen a team of ordinary programmers reach the state of
      > > >> frequently shipping zero bugs (even measured after deployment), and
      > > >> quickly taking care of the ones that escaped an iteration. It's not
      magic.
      > > >>
      > > >
      > > > This is the Very Interesting Answer which I would like to bring home
      > > > to
      > > the
      > > > rest of the company....
      > > >
      > > > My colleagues are quite comfortable with the "lean manufacturing" no
      > > queues
      > > > answer, but plain flat out don't believe the "No Defect Magic" answer.
      > > >
      > > > So I'm looking for data / evidence / stories / books / papers to
      > > > convince them that we could do better.
      > >
      > > Do you think that will convince them?
      > >
      > > It didn't even convince the organization around them. The comment on
      > > their first release, when 92% of the release test scripts passed on
      > > the first attempt, was "they cheated; they tested ahead of time." I
      > > think it was the second or third release when they hit 100%.
      > >
      > > Yes, they tested, not always automated. They also had a sign on the
      > > wall that said "Zero bugs, the new normal."
      > >
      > > - George
      > >
      > > --
      > > ----------------------------------------------------------
      > > * George Dinwiddie * http://blog.gdinwiddie.com Software Development
      > > http://www.idiacomputing.com Consultant and Coach
      > > http://www.agilemaryland.org
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      > >
      > >
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