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RE: [XP] Interesting article about employee scarcity

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  • Kay A Pentecost
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    Message 1 of 41 , Jun 30, 2012
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      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com
      > [mailto:extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Brunelle
      > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 8:19 PM
      > To: extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [XP] Interesting article about employee scarcity
      >
      > Oh, there's a skills gap, all right. A management skills gap.
      >
      > Lessee now - if you want somebody who is doing exactly the same
      > work you want to hire for, but doing it at a competitor, and this
      > is skilled, professional work - there are several reasonable
      > inferences, one or more of which might be true.
      > o The work this guy's doing is proprietary, and if he came to do
      > it for you, you're both in trouble. (Google Alcatel and Evan Brown.)
      > o The work is actually pretty common, and you don't really need a pro
      > to do it, so you should be able to find a newgrad, a high-school
      > dropout, or a politician to do it for you.
      > o You think someone on the other side of the globe, in a very different
      > time zone, speaking a very different native language, is indeed
      > doing that exact same work and will be happy to do it for you for
      > a quarter of what you might pay at home.
      > o You don't actually know what you're doing well enough to train
      > anybody. Yet you believe you can discern who can do the work.
      > o Bonus speculation: you have a project plan with a work breakdown
      > and tasks, and a schedule for when those tasks shall be done.
      > You figured it all out yourself after a number of meetings, and
      > you know that "one standard developer" can do X work daily, that
      > you have 100 guys and 20,000X work to get done in 100 days, so
      > you need to hire, quickly, 100 more guys "exactly like" the guys
      > you have - y'know, guys who know YOUR business and how all YOUR
      > applications hang together. But only 3 or 4 do something similar
      > at a competitor and are looking for work elsewhere. (Why, we
      > don't yet know.) Obvious skills gap . . .
      >
      > And they'd like US to be certified. :-)
      >
      >
      >
      > Kay A Pentecost wrote:
      > > Hi, Everybody,
      >
      > > This is an interesting article about Employers saying they can't find
      > > skilled workers.
      >
      > > "So the shortfall is in those people who can plug and play-that is, they
      > can
      > > come right into our company and immediately contribute, because we don't
      > > have time or resources to train or give them time for on boarding
      > > up-skilling [sic] that you'd get just by hanging around and getting used
      > to
      > > the job. We can't do that, so you've got to be able to do the job
      > perfectly
      > > from day one. The only people that can do that are people who are
      > currently
      > > doing the same job someplace else. So it's obviously pretty hard to find
      > > people if that's your definition-if you say, "We want to hire people,
      > and
      > > they've got to be doing the job right now"-because as you've probably
      > heard,
      > > a lot of employers won't accept applications from people who are
      > currently
      > > unemployed. So basically we're saying we've got to hire from our
      > > competitors. And you know what? There is kind of a shortage of people if
      > you
      > > say, "You've got to be working for one of our competitors doing exactly
      > the
      > > same thing you're doing now. That's what we want, and it's hard to find
      > > those people." Well, it's probably true, but that's not a skills gap. "
      > >
      > > The article is at
      > > http://spectrum.ieee.org/podcast/at-work/tech-careers/why-bad-jobsor-no-
      > jobs
      > > happen-to-good-workers/?utm_source=techalert
      > > <http://spectrum.ieee.org/podcast/at-work/tech-careers/why-bad-jobsor-
      > no-job
      > > shappen-to-good-
      > workers/?utm_source=techalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=
      > > 062112> &utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=062112
      > >
      > > Kay Pentecost
      > >
      >
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    • Kay A Pentecost
      Hey, Curtis, I knew you weren t confusing me... and it s okay. I know you re wise and wonderful and witty!! Kay
      Message 41 of 41 , Jul 10, 2012
        Hey, Curtis,

        I knew you weren't confusing me... and it's okay. I know you're wise and
        wonderful and witty!!

        Kay

        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com
        > [mailto:extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Cooley
        > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 2:48 PM
        > To: extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: Re: [XP] Plan-driven methodologies
        >
        > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Kay A Pentecost
        > <tranzpupy@...>wrote:
        >
        > > **
        > >
        > >
        > > Hey, Curtis,
        > >
        > > Don't confuse me with someone who wants to change established terms. I'm
        > > serious about those questions. I have no judgment about the term.
        > >
        > > I hadn't heard the term until today... or I missed it when it was used.
        > >
        > > I just want to know what it means and how it came about.
        > >
        > > Sorry for the confusion, Kay. I'm not confusing you with anyone, I was
        > just referencing another, longer, more bitter, discussion we had earlier
        > on
        > terms. Just trying to be witty ;)
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