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  • Seyit Caglar Abbasoglu
    Very nice stuff. Thanks. I m not planning to be a coach. However those are good guidelines for anytime someone wants to help another. 2012/1/19 George
    Message 1 of 45 , Jan 19, 2012
      Very nice stuff. Thanks. I'm not planning to be a coach. However those are
      good guidelines for anytime someone wants to help another.



      2012/1/19 George Dinwiddie <lists@...>

      > **
      >
      >
      > I like this question for coaches from Esther Derby
      > (http://www.estherderby.com/2011/02/are-you-ready-to-coach.html)
      >
      > "*Are you open to other approaches?* You may have a very clear idea of
      > how to accomplish the work or handle the interaction. But is it the only
      > way? In most situations, there are many reasonable and acceptable paths
      > to success. If you find yourself expecting things to be done a certain
      > way, ask yourself if that way is simply your preference and not the only
      > correct method. Help the person you are coaching think through different
      > options and discuss the pros and cons of each approach. Then let the
      > person choose the one that fits best for him or her. Team members gain
      > capability when they develop based on their own thinking modes,
      > strengths, and talents."
      >
      > - George
      >
      >
      > On 1/19/12 10:23 AM, George Dinwiddie wrote:
      > > Seyit,
      > >
      > > On 1/19/12 6:46 AM, Seyit Caglar Abbasoglu wrote:
      > >> I agree the example was not matching perfectly. And I completely agree
      > on
      > >> your consultant definition.
      > >>
      > >> However I still believe the idea behind the example is still valid.
      > There
      > >> is a professional (mechanic/consultant) doing his job in the way he
      > knows,
      > >> and we're saying he's doing it wrong, while he's absent to defend his
      > ways.
      > >> Perhaps he would present the context in such a different way than
      > Stuart,
      > >> that we would think he's doing the right thing. (Though I doubt it)
      > >
      > > I think the example is not valid. It would be valid if the company had
      > > brought in a manager, and that manager was managing the way he knew
      > > best. Consulting is different in nature. Coaching is a specific type of
      > > consulting with the express intent of helping the coachee better their
      > > skills.
      > >
      > > - George
      > >
      > >
      > >>
      > >> I still believe the real problem in that context is a trust and
      > >> communication issue. Perhaps a better solution would be to do it by
      > >> Consultant's way, see the outcome and help to improve it 'slowly',
      > instead
      > >> of saying directly that 'he's doing it wrong'
      > >>
      > >> 2012/1/18 RonJeffries<ronjeffries@...>
      > >>
      > >>> **
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>> Hi Seyit,
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>> On Jan 18, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Seyit Caglar Abbasoglu wrote:
      > >>>
      > >>>> Consider my car is not giving the performance I expected from it and
      > I go
      > >>>> to a mechanic to ask his help.
      > >>>
      > >>> Your example is not apt. The consultant is not a mechanic who is going
      > to
      > >>> fix the car. The consultant is someone who is going to educate the
      > team.
      > >>>
      > >>> The consultant should encourage people to study and think on their own,
      > >>> and help them to coordinate the various ideas they will come up with as
      > >>> they dig into the subject.
      > >>>
      > >>> Ron Jeffries
      > >
      >
      > --
      > ----------------------------------------------------------
      > * George Dinwiddie * http://blog.gdinwiddie.com
      > Software Development http://www.idiacomputing.com
      > Consultant and Coach http://www.agilemaryland.org
      > ----------------------------------------------------------
      >
      >
      >


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    • Seyit Caglar Abbasoglu
      Very nice stuff. Thanks. I m not planning to be a coach. However those are good guidelines for anytime someone wants to help another. 2012/1/19 George
      Message 45 of 45 , Jan 19, 2012
        Very nice stuff. Thanks. I'm not planning to be a coach. However those are
        good guidelines for anytime someone wants to help another.



        2012/1/19 George Dinwiddie <lists@...>

        > **
        >
        >
        > I like this question for coaches from Esther Derby
        > (http://www.estherderby.com/2011/02/are-you-ready-to-coach.html)
        >
        > "*Are you open to other approaches?* You may have a very clear idea of
        > how to accomplish the work or handle the interaction. But is it the only
        > way? In most situations, there are many reasonable and acceptable paths
        > to success. If you find yourself expecting things to be done a certain
        > way, ask yourself if that way is simply your preference and not the only
        > correct method. Help the person you are coaching think through different
        > options and discuss the pros and cons of each approach. Then let the
        > person choose the one that fits best for him or her. Team members gain
        > capability when they develop based on their own thinking modes,
        > strengths, and talents."
        >
        > - George
        >
        >
        > On 1/19/12 10:23 AM, George Dinwiddie wrote:
        > > Seyit,
        > >
        > > On 1/19/12 6:46 AM, Seyit Caglar Abbasoglu wrote:
        > >> I agree the example was not matching perfectly. And I completely agree
        > on
        > >> your consultant definition.
        > >>
        > >> However I still believe the idea behind the example is still valid.
        > There
        > >> is a professional (mechanic/consultant) doing his job in the way he
        > knows,
        > >> and we're saying he's doing it wrong, while he's absent to defend his
        > ways.
        > >> Perhaps he would present the context in such a different way than
        > Stuart,
        > >> that we would think he's doing the right thing. (Though I doubt it)
        > >
        > > I think the example is not valid. It would be valid if the company had
        > > brought in a manager, and that manager was managing the way he knew
        > > best. Consulting is different in nature. Coaching is a specific type of
        > > consulting with the express intent of helping the coachee better their
        > > skills.
        > >
        > > - George
        > >
        > >
        > >>
        > >> I still believe the real problem in that context is a trust and
        > >> communication issue. Perhaps a better solution would be to do it by
        > >> Consultant's way, see the outcome and help to improve it 'slowly',
        > instead
        > >> of saying directly that 'he's doing it wrong'
        > >>
        > >> 2012/1/18 RonJeffries<ronjeffries@...>
        > >>
        > >>> **
        > >>>
        > >>>
        > >>> Hi Seyit,
        > >>>
        > >>>
        > >>> On Jan 18, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Seyit Caglar Abbasoglu wrote:
        > >>>
        > >>>> Consider my car is not giving the performance I expected from it and
        > I go
        > >>>> to a mechanic to ask his help.
        > >>>
        > >>> Your example is not apt. The consultant is not a mechanic who is going
        > to
        > >>> fix the car. The consultant is someone who is going to educate the
        > team.
        > >>>
        > >>> The consultant should encourage people to study and think on their own,
        > >>> and help them to coordinate the various ideas they will come up with as
        > >>> they dig into the subject.
        > >>>
        > >>> Ron Jeffries
        > >
        >
        > --
        > ----------------------------------------------------------
        > * George Dinwiddie * http://blog.gdinwiddie.com
        > Software Development http://www.idiacomputing.com
        > Consultant and Coach http://www.agilemaryland.org
        > ----------------------------------------------------------
        >
        >
        >


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