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Re: [MOD] Re: [XP] Re: Uncle Bob's "Restoring The Trust" video

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  • John Roth
    Put him on moderation. The number of misrepresentations in the cited post comes close to one per line - a clear sign of trolling. This is usually such a
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      Put him on moderation. The number of misrepresentations in the cited
      post comes close to one per line - a clear sign of trolling.

      This is usually such a pleasant group that people may have forgotten the
      first law of dealing with a troll: don't reply.

      John Roth

      On 3/4/11 2:04 AM, ronjeffriesacm@... wrote:
      >
      > Advise me, people. I am finding these posts to be less and less
      > relevant to what I take the purpose of this group to be, and to be
      > less and less respectful of people both absent and present.
      >
      > At the same time, I freely grant that they are irritating me, and I do
      > not have a record of good decisions when irritated.
      >
      > Your suggestions, pro or con, publicly or direct to me, will be helpful.
      >
      > Thanks,
      >
      > R
      >
      > On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:07 PM, "MarvinToll.com" <MarvinToll@...
      > <mailto:MarvinToll%40gtcGroup.com>> wrote:
      >
      > > I appreciated Uncle Bob's reminder. In 2001 CEO's were still telling
      > IT leaders to 'get lost' ... being really upset at how executive
      > bonuses were curtailed because of the enormous costs associated with Y2K.
      > >
      > > And that was after the whole client/server debacle of the 90s...
      > another costly misdirection.
      > >
      > > It is amazing that in that climate self-described "organizational
      > anarchists" took it upon themselves to tell businesses how to organize
      > as a strategy to build trust. And even more amazing was that so many
      > folks that failed to get date processing right presumed that their
      > new-found scope included telling Successful Companies what they are
      > doing wrong.
      > >
      > > If we (IT) could just get CASE, I mean client-server, er, I mean
      > CORBA, that is Entity Beans, oops... I mean JAX-RPC... oh well, JAX-WS
      > right --- then maybe it would be time to start telling business
      > leaders how we are smarter than they are?
      > >
      > > --- In extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:extremeprogramming%40yahoogroups.com>, "JeffGrigg"
      > <jeffreytoddgrigg@...> wrote:
      > >>
      > >> ---
      > >>
      > >> Personally, while I see value to the manifesto as a unifying point
      > for everyone, I also see value to taking off in different directions
      > based on interests and needs. And I would agree that this represents a
      > maturing of the "movement." Personally, I wonder if Uncle Bob is
      > over-emphasizing "unification."
      > >>
      > >
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